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Celerity

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32. and he is saying that the 'normal' (what you laid out) is NOT good enough

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 06:20 PM

Jun 2019

I do not see your issue (if you are taking one with him) with what he said. He is agreeing with you.

I agree with your statements:

To say we have ‘have more to do’ or ‘further to go' is not good enough. Real wages have not risen since the early seventies for 90% of the population, while the cost of college has spiralled out of control. Upward mobility has stalled; Downward mobility is widespread and feared. There are precious few greenshoots on the graves of American industry while the CEOs who closed the factories flaunt their wealth.

This our normal. This is how it has been been for almost 40 years. Generations have grown up knowing nothing else. Presidents Clinton and Obama were not able to break it. Both confronted economic disasters left by the Republicans and both faced hostile, obstructionist House of Representatives after the first Midterms.

I have seen nothing to suggest Buttigieg does not share this view.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Pete: "Normalcy" got us where we are today. [View all] mobeau69 Jun 2019 OP

The first time I heard him say that, I thought "he's right." CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2019 #1

And I thought it was blatantly phony. There is nothing normal Hortensis Jun 2019 #107

Bingo. shanny Jun 2019 #2

Mayor Pete, right yet again. (n/t) SMC22307 Jun 2019 #3

Pete has lived under just two democratic presidents Otto Lidenbrock Jun 2019 #4

he's not disrespecting them Skittles Jun 2019 #6

I understand that but... Otto Lidenbrock Jun 2019 #8

Gore and Hillary DID win Skittles Jun 2019 #10

i think this might be part of the normal he was talking about. mopinko Jun 2019 #39

I think his point is more that there is no such thing as "normal." marylandblue Jun 2019 #41

THANK YOU. betsuni Jun 2019 #100

+1 Celerity Jun 2019 #19

Exactly, Otto Lindenbrock.. Cha Jun 2019 #7

Reins. cwydro Jun 2019 #16

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Skittles Jun 2019 #5

I don't think anyone is saying that they want to go back to the 90s, and the 2016 election.... George II Jun 2019 #9

Right.. This Shite was NOT "Normalcy".. Cha Jun 2019 #63

Pete is flat-out wrong. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #11

+1 OKNancy Jun 2019 #14

those lazy dogs do not hunt, sorry Celerity Jun 2019 #17

lol he literally compared Democrats to Republicans... Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #18

that is not saying they are the same, it is a contrast Celerity Jun 2019 #20

What Democrat is saying we want to go back to the 1990s? Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #21

That is not the underlying point (no matter what decade one picks) Celerity Jun 2019 #24

It is the point because he made it the point. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #26

Obviously he is not a 'radical'. If he was I would never be supporting him. Celerity Jun 2019 #29

He does look silly when he brings up a straw-man argument to make a point. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #49

Why did Biden say he wanted to return to normalcy then? marylandblue Jun 2019 #53

Trump is not normal. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #56

Correct. But nobody is. marylandblue Jun 2019 #66

Sure there are. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #69

There's no such thing as normal. marylandblue Jun 2019 #71

There's the perception of normal. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #73

Sorry, I expect a lot more from a President that just not being an asshole. marylandblue Jun 2019 #76

Obama ran eight years after the last Democratic president during an economic crisis. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #80

I really doubt Obama would have run as a return to normalcy under any circumstances. marylandblue Jun 2019 #81

Obama ended his 2008 acceptance speech as follows crazytown Jun 2019 #85

Obama's whole reelection campaign was about continuing the normalcy of his administration. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #115

Every reelection campaign is about continuity over change. marylandblue Jun 2019 #116

The point is: it's not unheard of to remind people of what worked. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #117

I think so.. and whatever Cha Jun 2019 #122

I'm NOT suggesting not to hint at the past. This is about what you think our biggest problem. marylandblue Jun 2019 #125

And I don't think that's a winning strategy. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #127

You are really missing the point. The point is not about what specific tactics work against Trump. marylandblue Jun 2019 #128

I understand it - I don't agree with it. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #129

No, you don't understand it. You think it's a "strategy." It's not. It's a goal. marylandblue Jun 2019 #130

And, it shouldn't Cha Jun 2019 #131

No, the challenges today are not the same today, nor are the opportunities. marylandblue Jun 2019 #48

They pretty much are... Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #50

Trump is the President. marylandblue Jun 2019 #52

Yes. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #55

You asked a question, I gave you an answer. marylandblue Jun 2019 #65

Lots of answers you can give but fail to give. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #68

Pete has already proposed things that Obama didn't. marylandblue Jun 2019 #74

From my earlier post crazytown Jun 2019 #28

and he is saying that the 'normal' (what you laid out) is NOT good enough Celerity Jun 2019 #32

Exactly crazytown Jun 2019 #33

I do have to add, my dream ticket is rapidly becoming Warren/Pete Celerity Jun 2019 #36

The "Going back to the 90's" language is the dishonest attack statement. wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #34

the quote is not accurate Celerity Jun 2019 #38

Why did he say that. Who was he referring to? wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #42

I am not the OP, and Pete was not attacking other Dems, just stating a philosophical truism. Celerity Jun 2019 #44

The OP says the 50's and the 90's The repubs are not the 90's reference wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #62

here is the full quote, in context Celerity Jun 2019 #67

No one wants to go back to the 2000s, either. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #51

again you fail to see the underlying point he was making Celerity Jun 2019 #57

Sounds like he's the one sniping. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #58

lol, so weak Celerity Jun 2019 #59

Cheers, friend. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #61

I may end up voting for Warren, she is quickly separating herself as my main 2nd choice Celerity Jun 2019 #64

Well done. nt emmaverybo Jun 2019 #88

Thanks for calling out Mayor Buttigieg's Cha Jun 2019 #98

Normalcy didn't get us where we are today. Mr.Bill Jun 2019 #12

Who is asking for a return to the 90's? brer cat Jun 2019 #13

Yeah. That made me laugh. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #15

2009-2017 was absolutely the greatest period of my life AlexSFCA Jun 2019 #23

(I don't know) but I think Pete is saying 'We can't go back' crazytown Jun 2019 #22

Nobody. That's just a way to throw shade at Biden, for no reason other than Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #43

That's my impression.. the "shade at Biden" part, and it's not working. Cha Jun 2019 #60

My take too. Biden's critics have made this charge consistently, that Biden wants to take us back to emmaverybo Jun 2019 #86

While those are all worthy goals, they are also unrealistic. marylandblue Jun 2019 #87

We have almost always built on the past and moved ahead. The Iran deal is one example. A decades emmaverybo Jun 2019 #118

This thread started with a clever attempt to manipulate Buttigieg's words marylandblue Jun 2019 #120

Well Done, emmaverybo! Cha Jun 2019 #89

Good stuff, as always Cha. The Rusher thing not normal. Good links! Thanks! nt emmaverybo Jun 2019 #90

Mahalo, emmaverybo! Cha Jun 2019 #91

Thanks for that quote from EW. That means that she and Buttigieg are now on the same list with BS.. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2019 #96

I know what you mean, Cha Jun 2019 #97

Some of us have long memories. Bashing the party, especially Obama/Biden is a definite line.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2019 #101

Nothing to do with age, it's about Biden's campaign theme of "return to normalcy." marylandblue Jun 2019 #82

People are implying that normalcy means going back in time. That's not Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #102

It seems to mean different things to different people. marylandblue Jun 2019 #104

What's Pete's slogan, "I'm not old?" nt Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #105

"There is no honest politics centered around 'again.'" marylandblue Jun 2019 #106

Yeah, I have a problem with it. It's glib!!! Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #108

Well it captures my feelings well. I don't think we should "return" to anything marylandblue Jun 2019 #109

In a nutshell. Thanks. Nt emmaverybo Jun 2019 #126

I know right, brer! Nobody Wants To Go Cha Jun 2019 #95

Yep-there's no going back on the climate issue. It's here right now. jalan48 Jun 2019 #25

K&R Kurt V. Jun 2019 #27

Who's trying to turn the clock back to the 90s? Nitram Jun 2019 #30

Who is looking to the past? I am 73 and I look forward to a Dem government. wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #31

I'm 64, and I do, too. nt trev Jun 2019 #37

it's NOT just his age Skittles Jun 2019 #78

Not Biden.. Cha Jun 2019 #93

what happened in the 90s ? stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #35

The 90s? Eight years of peace and prosperity under Bill Clinton. comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #77

This discussion appears to have gone off the rails! IndianaDave Jun 2019 #40

he did not just mention the 1990's, he said the 2000's too and was simply making a point Celerity Jun 2019 #45

Insecure people always push back against well meaning, constructive criticism. mobeau69 Jun 2019 #47

People are going to take any chance they get at sniping if they see an opening to Celerity Jun 2019 #54

Here's a video of what he said today. mobeau69 Jun 2019 #70

link doesn't work for me Celerity Jun 2019 #72

As usual, he hits the nail on the head. marylandblue Jun 2019 #79

You hit the nail on the head, marylandblue. mobeau69 Jun 2019 #121

why WOULDN'T problems of one decade be different than the problems of another decade Skittles Jun 2019 #75

This took guts if nothing else. Marianne Williamson shared interesting observations on the subject. mobeau69 Jun 2019 #46

That hackneyed trope is demostrably false. OilemFirchen Jun 2019 #83

First, there is no way know that. marylandblue Jun 2019 #84

Mahalo, Oilem! Cha Jun 2019 #94

Things have been anything but normal the last 20 years. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #92

That is the point: a return to normal is a nostalgic illusion crazytown Jun 2019 #99

Did he say normalcy was the 90s? betsuni Jun 2019 #103

How is he defining "normalcy?" Blue_Tires Jun 2019 #110

I think that is part of his point. It's not something that can be defined. marylandblue Jun 2019 #111

Well personally we can START with Blue_Tires Jun 2019 #112

Problem is, we can't unsee what we have seen. marylandblue Jun 2019 #113

Do any of those "folks in rural poverty" Blue_Tires Jun 2019 #114

I didn't say anything about white or black. That's your frame, not mine. marylandblue Jun 2019 #119

I hate to sound harsh or unfeeling Blue_Tires Jun 2019 #123

People are dumb. They are easily misled. They don't know how easily they can be misled, marylandblue Jun 2019 #124