Democratic Primaries

marylandblue

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79. As usual, he hits the nail on the head.

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 08:38 PM

Jun 2019

Trump is a symptom not a cause. Nobody would have voted for him if people were not deeply dissatisfied with the status quo as of 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Pete: "Normalcy" got us where we are today. [View all] mobeau69 Jun 2019 OP

The first time I heard him say that, I thought "he's right." CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2019 #1

And I thought it was blatantly phony. There is nothing normal Hortensis Jun 2019 #107

Bingo. shanny Jun 2019 #2

Mayor Pete, right yet again. (n/t) SMC22307 Jun 2019 #3

Pete has lived under just two democratic presidents Otto Lidenbrock Jun 2019 #4

he's not disrespecting them Skittles Jun 2019 #6

I understand that but... Otto Lidenbrock Jun 2019 #8

Gore and Hillary DID win Skittles Jun 2019 #10

i think this might be part of the normal he was talking about. mopinko Jun 2019 #39

I think his point is more that there is no such thing as "normal." marylandblue Jun 2019 #41

THANK YOU. betsuni Jun 2019 #100

+1 Celerity Jun 2019 #19

Exactly, Otto Lindenbrock.. Cha Jun 2019 #7

Reins. cwydro Jun 2019 #16

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Skittles Jun 2019 #5

I don't think anyone is saying that they want to go back to the 90s, and the 2016 election.... George II Jun 2019 #9

Right.. This Shite was NOT "Normalcy".. Cha Jun 2019 #63

Pete is flat-out wrong. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #11

+1 OKNancy Jun 2019 #14

those lazy dogs do not hunt, sorry Celerity Jun 2019 #17

lol he literally compared Democrats to Republicans... Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #18

that is not saying they are the same, it is a contrast Celerity Jun 2019 #20

What Democrat is saying we want to go back to the 1990s? Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #21

That is not the underlying point (no matter what decade one picks) Celerity Jun 2019 #24

It is the point because he made it the point. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #26

Obviously he is not a 'radical'. If he was I would never be supporting him. Celerity Jun 2019 #29

He does look silly when he brings up a straw-man argument to make a point. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #49

Why did Biden say he wanted to return to normalcy then? marylandblue Jun 2019 #53

Trump is not normal. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #56

Correct. But nobody is. marylandblue Jun 2019 #66

Sure there are. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #69

There's no such thing as normal. marylandblue Jun 2019 #71

There's the perception of normal. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #73

Sorry, I expect a lot more from a President that just not being an asshole. marylandblue Jun 2019 #76

Obama ran eight years after the last Democratic president during an economic crisis. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #80

I really doubt Obama would have run as a return to normalcy under any circumstances. marylandblue Jun 2019 #81

Obama ended his 2008 acceptance speech as follows crazytown Jun 2019 #85

Obama's whole reelection campaign was about continuing the normalcy of his administration. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #115

Every reelection campaign is about continuity over change. marylandblue Jun 2019 #116

The point is: it's not unheard of to remind people of what worked. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #117

I think so.. and whatever Cha Jun 2019 #122

I'm NOT suggesting not to hint at the past. This is about what you think our biggest problem. marylandblue Jun 2019 #125

And I don't think that's a winning strategy. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #127

You are really missing the point. The point is not about what specific tactics work against Trump. marylandblue Jun 2019 #128

I understand it - I don't agree with it. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #129

No, you don't understand it. You think it's a "strategy." It's not. It's a goal. marylandblue Jun 2019 #130

And, it shouldn't Cha Jun 2019 #131

No, the challenges today are not the same today, nor are the opportunities. marylandblue Jun 2019 #48

They pretty much are... Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #50

Trump is the President. marylandblue Jun 2019 #52

Yes. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #55

You asked a question, I gave you an answer. marylandblue Jun 2019 #65

Lots of answers you can give but fail to give. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #68

Pete has already proposed things that Obama didn't. marylandblue Jun 2019 #74

From my earlier post crazytown Jun 2019 #28

and he is saying that the 'normal' (what you laid out) is NOT good enough Celerity Jun 2019 #32

Exactly crazytown Jun 2019 #33

I do have to add, my dream ticket is rapidly becoming Warren/Pete Celerity Jun 2019 #36

The "Going back to the 90's" language is the dishonest attack statement. wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #34

the quote is not accurate Celerity Jun 2019 #38

Why did he say that. Who was he referring to? wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #42

I am not the OP, and Pete was not attacking other Dems, just stating a philosophical truism. Celerity Jun 2019 #44

The OP says the 50's and the 90's The repubs are not the 90's reference wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #62

here is the full quote, in context Celerity Jun 2019 #67

No one wants to go back to the 2000s, either. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #51

again you fail to see the underlying point he was making Celerity Jun 2019 #57

Sounds like he's the one sniping. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #58

lol, so weak Celerity Jun 2019 #59

Cheers, friend. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #61

I may end up voting for Warren, she is quickly separating herself as my main 2nd choice Celerity Jun 2019 #64

Well done. nt emmaverybo Jun 2019 #88

Thanks for calling out Mayor Buttigieg's Cha Jun 2019 #98

Normalcy didn't get us where we are today. Mr.Bill Jun 2019 #12

Who is asking for a return to the 90's? brer cat Jun 2019 #13

Yeah. That made me laugh. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #15

2009-2017 was absolutely the greatest period of my life AlexSFCA Jun 2019 #23

(I don't know) but I think Pete is saying 'We can't go back' crazytown Jun 2019 #22

Nobody. That's just a way to throw shade at Biden, for no reason other than Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #43

That's my impression.. the "shade at Biden" part, and it's not working. Cha Jun 2019 #60

My take too. Biden's critics have made this charge consistently, that Biden wants to take us back to emmaverybo Jun 2019 #86

While those are all worthy goals, they are also unrealistic. marylandblue Jun 2019 #87

We have almost always built on the past and moved ahead. The Iran deal is one example. A decades emmaverybo Jun 2019 #118

This thread started with a clever attempt to manipulate Buttigieg's words marylandblue Jun 2019 #120

Well Done, emmaverybo! Cha Jun 2019 #89

Good stuff, as always Cha. The Rusher thing not normal. Good links! Thanks! nt emmaverybo Jun 2019 #90

Mahalo, emmaverybo! Cha Jun 2019 #91

Thanks for that quote from EW. That means that she and Buttigieg are now on the same list with BS.. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2019 #96

I know what you mean, Cha Jun 2019 #97

Some of us have long memories. Bashing the party, especially Obama/Biden is a definite line.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2019 #101

Nothing to do with age, it's about Biden's campaign theme of "return to normalcy." marylandblue Jun 2019 #82

People are implying that normalcy means going back in time. That's not Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #102

It seems to mean different things to different people. marylandblue Jun 2019 #104

What's Pete's slogan, "I'm not old?" nt Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #105

"There is no honest politics centered around 'again.'" marylandblue Jun 2019 #106

Yeah, I have a problem with it. It's glib!!! Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #108

Well it captures my feelings well. I don't think we should "return" to anything marylandblue Jun 2019 #109

In a nutshell. Thanks. Nt emmaverybo Jun 2019 #126

I know right, brer! Nobody Wants To Go Cha Jun 2019 #95

Yep-there's no going back on the climate issue. It's here right now. jalan48 Jun 2019 #25

K&R Kurt V. Jun 2019 #27

Who's trying to turn the clock back to the 90s? Nitram Jun 2019 #30

Who is looking to the past? I am 73 and I look forward to a Dem government. wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #31

I'm 64, and I do, too. nt trev Jun 2019 #37

it's NOT just his age Skittles Jun 2019 #78

Not Biden.. Cha Jun 2019 #93

what happened in the 90s ? stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #35

The 90s? Eight years of peace and prosperity under Bill Clinton. comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #77

This discussion appears to have gone off the rails! IndianaDave Jun 2019 #40

he did not just mention the 1990's, he said the 2000's too and was simply making a point Celerity Jun 2019 #45

Insecure people always push back against well meaning, constructive criticism. mobeau69 Jun 2019 #47

People are going to take any chance they get at sniping if they see an opening to Celerity Jun 2019 #54

Here's a video of what he said today. mobeau69 Jun 2019 #70

link doesn't work for me Celerity Jun 2019 #72

As usual, he hits the nail on the head. marylandblue Jun 2019 #79

You hit the nail on the head, marylandblue. mobeau69 Jun 2019 #121

why WOULDN'T problems of one decade be different than the problems of another decade Skittles Jun 2019 #75

This took guts if nothing else. Marianne Williamson shared interesting observations on the subject. mobeau69 Jun 2019 #46

That hackneyed trope is demostrably false. OilemFirchen Jun 2019 #83

First, there is no way know that. marylandblue Jun 2019 #84

Mahalo, Oilem! Cha Jun 2019 #94

Things have been anything but normal the last 20 years. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #92

That is the point: a return to normal is a nostalgic illusion crazytown Jun 2019 #99

Did he say normalcy was the 90s? betsuni Jun 2019 #103

How is he defining "normalcy?" Blue_Tires Jun 2019 #110

I think that is part of his point. It's not something that can be defined. marylandblue Jun 2019 #111

Well personally we can START with Blue_Tires Jun 2019 #112

Problem is, we can't unsee what we have seen. marylandblue Jun 2019 #113

Do any of those "folks in rural poverty" Blue_Tires Jun 2019 #114

I didn't say anything about white or black. That's your frame, not mine. marylandblue Jun 2019 #119

I hate to sound harsh or unfeeling Blue_Tires Jun 2019 #123

People are dumb. They are easily misled. They don't know how easily they can be misled, marylandblue Jun 2019 #124