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81. West apparently didn't ever think
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 10:54 PM
Jun 2019

President Obama did enough and resorted to calling him racist names.

There was something about he didn't get invited to the Inauguration, either. Also, President Obama couldn't go to the State of the Black Union and offered Michelle to go in his place but Smiley said "No".

Cornel West and Tavis Smiley do a disservice to African Americans

That is why it pains me to say that Smiley and West have let me down. Sure, I'm not really anyone important to them, but I represent a generation of African-American men who looked up to West and Smiley – only to see them damage their legacies by engaging in embarrassing public roasts of President Obama.

West has called Obama a "Rockefeller Republican in blackface" and both recently criticized Al Sharpton's support of the president as an example of him being "on the Obama's plantation". These inflammatory remarks only discredit whatever valid criticisms Smiley and West may have about how President Obama has conducted himself over the past five years. And that's a shame because the two men would otherwise have so much to offer the country as true intellectuals.

These comments are made only more disappointing because they seem to come from a place of personal disdain, more than any desire to push an intelligent discussion. West has gone on record saying his initial rift with President Obama came from the fact that he couldn't get tickets for his family to go to the inauguration. Smiley threw a tantrum in 2008 when President Obama couldn't make his State of the Black Union event (also saying "no thanks" to a proposal to have Michelle Obama come in his place).

These two shots at the Smiley and West egos inform their rhetoric about the president, thrusting their "criticism" into the territory of "bashing". Seriously, one of the foremost philosophers of our time has been insulting the leader of the free world because he didn't get a "hook-up"? Is that what's really important here?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/26/cornel-west-tavis-smiley-disservice-african-americans

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boring and outdated JI7 Jun 2019 #1
Absolutely.. and Cornel West? The Cha Jun 2019 #4
Cornell West, who dissed the 2016 Democratic Convention Platform oasis Jun 2019 #68
Yes, he should have been, Cha Jun 2019 #70
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #168
This OP is meant solely to BASH BASH BASH BASH BASH democrats and the party Eliot Rosewater Jun 2019 #169
Which party? ucrdem Jun 2019 #190
our party Eliot Rosewater Jun 2019 #194
I'm not so sure. ucrdem Jun 2019 #206
Isn't the third way murielm99 Jun 2019 #2
Guess it's still one of his Cha Jun 2019 #7
Oh no, they are alive and kicking Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #21
I don't think they have any real influence though. Anybody can put out a press release emulatorloo Jun 2019 #158
They're alive and well and have admitted they were wrong on many things. SMC22307 Jun 2019 #84
They still tweet things like this dustyscamp Jun 2019 #210
questioning the third way is a legit debate. What's the problem? Kurt V. Jun 2019 #3
Ditch Third Way. It's a Republican front sharedvalues Jun 2019 #51
Exactly. Yet being cheered by some DUers. SMC22307 Jun 2019 #87
Which DU'ers are cheering the defunct Third Way? Majority of DU'ers are progressives and emulatorloo Jun 2019 #161
Why do you keep insisting they are defunct? SMC22307 Jun 2019 #164
If they're defunct melman Jun 2019 #170
A chill just went up my spine. SMC22307 Jun 2019 #173
Can you give us the date of that photograph and its context? Much appreciated. George II Jun 2019 #185
No melman Jun 2019 #187
That's pretty much the answer I expected..... George II Jun 2019 #188
Oh, melman. betsuni Jun 2019 #191
"an opportunity to insinuate Democrats are Republicans" melman Jun 2019 #193
The point is that Third Way is a think tank that's only in the news when Bernie betsuni Jun 2019 #195
Precisely, betsuni.. Cha Jun 2019 #199
Exactly, real enemies. betsuni Jun 2019 #204
Ps I will vote for Warren but I like much of what Bernie says. sharedvalues Jun 2019 #52
The problem is that the Third Way has admitted that capitalism... SMC22307 Jun 2019 #85
Reading this thread this morning is quite , um , revealing. Kurt V. Jun 2019 #145
Yep. SMC22307 Jun 2019 #155
No. Third Way is a Republican "Trojan Horse". sharedvalues Jun 2019 #146
Wall Street Uses Third Way to Lead Its Assault on Social Security SMC22307 Jun 2019 #157
Are All Those People African American Except One? Me. Jun 2019 #5
No BS doesn't have a problem with Cha Jun 2019 #10
What Was His Issue With PBO? Me. Jun 2019 #69
West apparently didn't ever think Cha Jun 2019 #81
ShameFul Coming From A Person Who Helped Elect Traitor Trump Me. Jun 2019 #93
Wonder if West would ever admit his Cha Jun 2019 #96
It also shows what he really thinks LibFarmer Jun 2019 #14
Props Is The Word Me. Jun 2019 #62
You're saying those African-Americans on stage have no mind of their own... SMC22307 Jun 2019 #91
That is not what I said - as anyone can comprehend. nt LibFarmer Jun 2019 #108
You called African-Americans standing alongside a white man "stage props." SMC22307 Jun 2019 #118
Reduced to "stage props"... condescending is right SMC!! Just wow!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #139
I know. I'm not surprised at what I read anymore... SMC22307 Jun 2019 #152
I'd be surprised only if the divisiveness ever stops!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #189
Exactly. Cha Jun 2019 #97
My guess is the white woman is... sheshe2 Jun 2019 #18
Oh yeah, that would make perfect sense. Cha Jun 2019 #24
They're grown adults who made the decision to stand alongside Sanders. SMC22307 Jun 2019 #88
My Question Is Me. Jun 2019 #95
Especially that "entrourage".. Cha Jun 2019 #101
Quite Me. Jun 2019 #104
Could very well be, Me.. Cha Jun 2019 #105
This thread needs a pic..Warning Alert!!! West & Stein.. Cha Jun 2019 #200
Gorsuch and Kavanaugh should remember them each Valentine's Day. oasis Jun 2019 #201
Precisely, oasis! Cha Jun 2019 #202
The problem isn't their race. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #115
Their race is being focused on with laser-like precision in this thread. SMC22307 Jun 2019 #116
I haven't said anything about gospel or swaying. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #117
Exactly.. a bunch of Jill Stein advocates Cha Jun 2019 #135
A certain someone is desperate to be prez and thinks they are in a better position politically Eliot Rosewater Jun 2019 #171
Kinda looks like a gospel revival. sheshe2 Jun 2019 #6
Bazinga! "AMAZING Grace, Amazing Grace!" George II Jun 2019 #11
How sweet the sound. sheshe2 Jun 2019 #15
Sweet Authentic President Obama.. Cha Jun 2019 #20
What a great moment MustLoveBeagles Jun 2019 #33
Me too, hon. sheshe2 Jun 2019 #36
Much better than TheFarseer Jun 2019 #76
Mr. Weigel neglected to say that Nina Turner also supported Jill Stein and voted for her. George II Jun 2019 #8
Yeah, we can't leave Nina out.. Cha Jun 2019 #13
Also Brihanna Joy-Grey n/t Vegas Roller Jun 2019 #17
Of course.. big Proud Stein Pusher.. said Cha Jun 2019 #19
What's "the corporate wing of the Democratic Party"? lapucelle Jun 2019 #9
It's the wing that supports neoliberal economic policies Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #22
Okay, so what is "neoliberal economic policies", and now it's down to only 98%? George II Jun 2019 #31
Post removed Post removed Jun 2019 #72
Ouch! George II Jun 2019 #74
Covering my mouth and trying not to LOL. sheshe2 Jun 2019 #77
That's exactly what Republicans say about Sanders' proposals... SMC22307 Jun 2019 #89
No, he only has part of a plan to pay for them dansolo Jun 2019 #147
He has a "concept" on how to pay for them, not a "plan". George II Jun 2019 #192
Democrats and neoliberalism Celerity Jun 2019 #132
There is no such wing of the Democratic Party. lapucelle Jun 2019 #32
Exactly, lapucelle. Cha Jun 2019 #119
What you describe doesn't exist. TwilightZone Jun 2019 #54
BS we can do it Jun 2019 #67
The corporate wing of DU has weighed in... SMC22307 Jun 2019 #90
Yes, the wing that didn't vote for Jill Stein nt Vegas Roller Jun 2019 #122
Just like the progressive wing, then. SMC22307 Jun 2019 #126
Three of the people on the stage with Sanders Vegas Roller Jun 2019 #127
Were they booed off? SMC22307 Jun 2019 #130
No they weren't, mostly because mainstream loyal Democrats aren't rude. George II Jun 2019 #175
One of them, in 2017, insulted our National Treasure, John Lewis.. Cha Jun 2019 #136
And THAT person is now the chief spokesperson of a major candidate. George II Jun 2019 #176
It's unreal how anyone Cha Jun 2019 #183
Who the hell knows? sheshe2 Jun 2019 #27
Third Way Manny! Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #29
That he was. sheshe2 Jun 2019 #34
Yeah that was something. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #35
Nope. sheshe2 Jun 2019 #37
Wow, that's sad. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #40
How did he last here so long? mcar Jun 2019 #45
Some posters figure out exactly where the line is drawn. TwilightZone Jun 2019 #57
Takes way too much time mcar Jun 2019 #59
Foster discontent TwilightZone Jun 2019 #61
I've been here since 2002 mcar Jun 2019 #63
Agreed. TwilightZone Jun 2019 #65
Me either, mcar. sheshe2 Jun 2019 #73
Wait...seriously?? Docreed2003 Jun 2019 #58
It wasn't. sheshe2 Jun 2019 #75
He co-founded that "other" place, if memory serves. TwilightZone Jun 2019 #64
Yes, he was.. they had such Cha Jun 2019 #71
That place. sheshe2 Jun 2019 #78
it was clear he was a republican even when he was on DU JI7 Jun 2019 #39
Of course! sheshe2 Jun 2019 #41
It's why he wasn't funny. betsuni Jun 2019 #44
His fans loved him though. sheshe2 Jun 2019 #80
Hard to understand why some people are easily fooled when it's so obvious. betsuni Jun 2019 #92
Jim Clyburn (D-SC) is an honorary co-chair of thirdway.org. SMC22307 Jun 2019 #98
One person is not the Democratic Party. betsuni Jun 2019 #99
Clyburn's fish fry... good! Clyburn's Third Way involvement... SMC22307 Jun 2019 #103
One person is not the Democratic Party. betsuni Jun 2019 #107
I always thought he might be a Rove operative. Never a nice thing to say about Democrats emulatorloo Jun 2019 #165
Sure ya do. It's referenced in... SMC22307 Jun 2019 #94
Corporate wing of the Democratic party Vegas Roller Jun 2019 #121
Senator BS is extremely divisive. LibFarmer Jun 2019 #12
Thank You, Lib.. Cha Jun 2019 #111
Another stale, tired and divisive speech NYMinute Jun 2019 #16
The Democratic Party hardly has a so-called "corporate wing". Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #23
I know.. it's really insulting. Cha Jun 2019 #26
Sure it does and it's influenced by thirdway.org. SMC22307 Jun 2019 #86
The Third Way has virtually no influence in the party anymore. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #113
Third way has no real influence though. As I said above, anybody can put out a press release emulatorloo Jun 2019 #159
It's a Pete Peterson front group that supports privatizing Social Security. SMC22307 Jun 2019 #162
The article is from 2013. It is 2019 now. Not hearing any Dems advocating for privatizing social emulatorloo Jun 2019 #163
Just keep your eyes on the prize. Courts are being stacked, SMC22307 Jun 2019 #167
Courts are being stacked because Donald Trump won the election. McConnell is not a Democrat emulatorloo Jun 2019 #172
That's quite a leap you just made. Republicans are to blame... SMC22307 Jun 2019 #177
Loss of Democratic seats under Obama is because they actually did something about health care and emulatorloo Jun 2019 #178
This is why this divisive candidate will not move outside of his base, and all indications are that still_one Jun 2019 #25
Totally.. and not a surprise Cha Jun 2019 #28
Yep. sheshe2 Jun 2019 #30
You're a fan of identity politics, isn't that how it works? SMC22307 Jun 2019 #102
Did you see post #6? melman Jun 2019 #109
I'd say it's unreal, then I considered the source. SMC22307 Jun 2019 #110
Yes melman Jun 2019 #114
I'm sorry, but Cornell West is a nut bag. pangaia Jun 2019 #38
Don't forget his buddy Tavis from NPR. sheshe2 Jun 2019 #42
Oh, yeah right.. pangaia Jun 2019 #46
That is when I listened too. sheshe2 Jun 2019 #47
Who are you... SMC22307 Jun 2019 #106
Ta-Nehisi Coates is not a political expert Vegas Roller Jun 2019 #125
Kinda like this OP? Certain DUers at one time thought very highly of Mr. Coates. SMC22307 Jun 2019 #129
One man's opinion that we still have racism has a much bigger weight Vegas Roller Jun 2019 #148
Yes, go with that dismissive approach against Mr. Coates. SMC22307 Jun 2019 #154
Yeah, good ol "Cornel West and Tavis Smiley do a disservice to African Americans" Cha Jun 2019 #137
Senator BS thinks people will forget the whole Jill Stein fiasco Vegas Roller Jun 2019 #156
Nobody forgets that.. not after Cha Jun 2019 #182
Who is the backup band behind him? mcar Jun 2019 #43
... sheshe2 Jun 2019 #48
... sheshe2 Jun 2019 #49
A performance by Bernie and the Revolution betsuni Jun 2019 #50
... mcar Jun 2019 #151
Remember that Herman's Hermit song ... George II Jun 2019 #160
Word! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2019 #184
The name is already taken or we could say "Bernie and the Pretenders" nt Vegas Roller Jun 2019 #120
Dunno but.... George II Jun 2019 #179
Yep mcar Jun 2019 #181
Yeah, dawg, I'm a no on that. On all that. EveHammond13 Jun 2019 #53
Never heard of Third Way until now Otto Lidenbrock Jun 2019 #55
See post #51. betsuni Jun 2019 #56
Wiki link: TwilightZone Jun 2019 #60
https://www.thirdway.org/ SMC22307 Jun 2019 #83
GOP attacks socialism. "Progressives" attack third-way. WTF year is this? **YAWN** wyldwolf Jun 2019 #66
It's the year Third Way admitted it was wrong. SMC22307 Jun 2019 #112
Wayy to go, Bernie! PDittie Jun 2019 #79
Third Way has admitted they were wrong. SMC22307 Jun 2019 #82
Bringing out a guy who endorsed Putin-pal Jill Stein isn't exactly an effective sales pitch. Cha Jun 2019 #100
+1000 n/t Vegas Roller Jun 2019 #128
Along with a campaign co-chair who also endorsed Jill Stein and claimed to have voted for her. George II Jun 2019 #180
when Sanders was voting with the NRA was he doing Third Way ? JI7 Jun 2019 #123
Maybe some of those who are explaining Cha Jun 2019 #124
He was representing his constituents in a big hunting state... SMC22307 Jun 2019 #131
That's what everybody else is doing, representing their constituents. betsuni Jun 2019 #133
+1! Ever the uniter.. Cha Jun 2019 #134
I take umbrage. Democrats are not the enemy. betsuni Jun 2019 #138
I do, too.. No, We Are Not. Cha Jun 2019 #140
Seems that it's ok for Sanders to represent his constituents mcar Jun 2019 #153
Yeah, they think. Cha Jun 2019 #196
And the F-35 fighter jets. $1.5 trillion. He said he wanted to keep those jobs in Vermont betsuni Jun 2019 #197
Glass houses, yes mcar Jun 2019 #207
D-minus NRA rating. (n/t) SMC22307 Jun 2019 #174
BS attacks Democrats. Rinse, lather and repeat. Maru Kitteh Jun 2019 #141
Yeah.. and it's NOT Cha Jun 2019 #198
is he third waying when he sells his books on Amazon ? JI7 Jun 2019 #142
Yes. betsuni Jun 2019 #144
does one do the third way when they take uber instead of taxi cab ? JI7 Jun 2019 #143
No, no, mischa. That would be lyft. Politicub Jun 2019 #150
Not gonna lie Politicub Jun 2019 #149
This crew voted and pushed for Cha Jun 2019 #211
Post removed Post removed Jun 2019 #166
SO tired of this old fart NastyRiffraff Jun 2019 #186
So did Nina Turner True Blue American Jun 2019 #203
Yes, this is her latest attempt at that.. Cha Jun 2019 #209
The wrecking crew ucrdem Jun 2019 #205
The optics of the Jill Stein voters that didn't Cha Jun 2019 #208
Yawn! NurseJackie Jun 2019 #212
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