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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
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In reply to the discussion: I think the anger over the Harris- Biden exchange is not because she asked the question [View all]Celerity
(43,333 posts)61. CNN fact-checked the exchange
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7 hours ago, 6 tweets, 1 min read
here is the WaPo article referenced
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bidens-tough-talk-on-1970s-school-desegregation-plan-could-get-new-scrutiny-in-todays-democratic-party/2019/03/07/9115583e-3eb2-11e9-a0d3-1210e58a94cf_story.html?utm_term=.fda4f19c0134
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Daniel DaleVerified account
@ddale8
Reporter for CNN, fact-checking politicians.
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Daniel Dale
@ddale8
7 hours ago, 6 tweets, 1 min read
Biden's claim tonight that he only opposed federally mandated busing and did not generally oppose "busing in America" was a flagrant misrepresentation of his position in the '70s and '80s. He'd made crystal clear he opposed busing as a concept, as a matter of principle.
Biden's remarks on busing in the 1970s were generally very unequivocal -- "I oppose busing. It's an asinine concept." "A bankrupt concept." "Busing does not work." He expressed pride for making anti-busing sentiment "respectable" among liberals.
As recently re-reported by WaPo, Biden said things like this about busing: What it says is, In order for your child with curly black hair, brown eyes, and dark skin to be able to learn anything, he needs to sit next to my blond-haired, blue-eyed son. Thats racist!"
It wasn't just words: working with avowed racists, Biden pushed legislation to make it difficult to run busing programs. There *was* a caveat: he said he would support busing in cases where it'd been proven that a community had been intentionally segregated. But otherwise no.
Biden's campaign says that his position on busing would not have stopped the particular local busing program that Kamala Harris was a part of, since it was voluntarily adopted by the local community. In general, though: she was not mischaracterizing his opposition to busing. Biden campaigns argument is that him saying in the 70s that he opposed busing was understood then to mean he simply opposed federal-mandated busing, not all busing. Like when GOP said under Obama they oppose health reform, was obvious it meant Obamacare, not all health reform.
Biden's remarks on busing in the 1970s were generally very unequivocal -- "I oppose busing. It's an asinine concept." "A bankrupt concept." "Busing does not work." He expressed pride for making anti-busing sentiment "respectable" among liberals.
As recently re-reported by WaPo, Biden said things like this about busing: What it says is, In order for your child with curly black hair, brown eyes, and dark skin to be able to learn anything, he needs to sit next to my blond-haired, blue-eyed son. Thats racist!"
It wasn't just words: working with avowed racists, Biden pushed legislation to make it difficult to run busing programs. There *was* a caveat: he said he would support busing in cases where it'd been proven that a community had been intentionally segregated. But otherwise no.
Biden's campaign says that his position on busing would not have stopped the particular local busing program that Kamala Harris was a part of, since it was voluntarily adopted by the local community. In general, though: she was not mischaracterizing his opposition to busing. Biden campaigns argument is that him saying in the 70s that he opposed busing was understood then to mean he simply opposed federal-mandated busing, not all busing. Like when GOP said under Obama they oppose health reform, was obvious it meant Obamacare, not all health reform.
here is the WaPo article referenced
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bidens-tough-talk-on-1970s-school-desegregation-plan-could-get-new-scrutiny-in-todays-democratic-party/2019/03/07/9115583e-3eb2-11e9-a0d3-1210e58a94cf_story.html?utm_term=.fda4f19c0134
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I think the anger over the Harris- Biden exchange is not because she asked the question [View all]
EffieBlack
Jun 2019
OP
Lost confidence in Biden awhile ago... last night only confirmed what so many already knew.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jun 2019
#128
I'm lost as to how that relates to the OP. Also, Obama was barely known early on too.
TheBlackAdder
Jun 2019
#122
Unfortunately that's a big part of it, at least until/unless we can abolish the Electoral College.
calimary
Jun 2019
#202
If I had a dollar for every time I said the person I want to support is the one who is most likely
Eliot Rosewater
Jun 2019
#205
Yes, we misunderstood these places in 2016, and we still misunderstand them.
marylandblue
Jun 2019
#214
She could only talk about his position on busing if her experience with busing was negative?
EffieBlack
Jun 2019
#224
Her point was that busing was good for integration--and by implication, for her--but that
tblue37
Jun 2019
#167
A black mayor's endorsement is great. But it doesn't "douse" the opinions of any
EffieBlack
Jun 2019
#193
exactly. Joe answered well and handled the situation well. If he came out swinging at her the media
onetexan
Jun 2019
#21
Right, he tossed off a quip to Cory over his shoulder as he was getting in his car
ucrdem
Jun 2019
#27
I only watched some replays here and there. I just cannot watch 2 hours of that
pangaia
Jun 2019
#68
Don't forget that Harris gave him the opportunity to say what his positions is now
Perseus
Jun 2019
#137
That's what he said last night: he didn't oppose busing, just federally mandated busing.
ucrdem
Jun 2019
#32
"none of those federal funds could be used by school systems to assign teachers or students" by race
hedda_foil
Jun 2019
#239
He could have talked about why he took the position he did then and whether and why he evolved since
EffieBlack
Jun 2019
#100
I think so, too. I just can't understand why he's having so much trouble saying it
EffieBlack
Jun 2019
#217
a state's right defence (given in 2019) by a Democrat is an effective answer???
Celerity
Jun 2019
#19
The City That Believed in Desegregation. Integration isn't easy, but Louisville, Kentucky, has
Celerity
Jun 2019
#43
Yeah, he really just tried to wallpaper his past. But one's past is always there in pretty plain
KPN
Jun 2019
#59
Busing, he was awful. But, honestly, the NRA is primarily funded by gun manufacturers
Hoyt
Jun 2019
#60
The NRA may be funded by gun manufacturers which make the NRA a tool. mercenaries
Perseus
Jun 2019
#166
No he didn't, his words were "The NRA is not the problem, it is the gun manufacturer's"
Perseus
Jun 2019
#188
He knew it was coming, it was 50 years ago. Different times call for different actions
Thekaspervote
Jun 2019
#62
If you think Biden will not stand up to trump you haven't been reading what he's saying
Thekaspervote
Jun 2019
#64
It's not an intellectual failing on his part. I think she got to his soul.
MaryMagdaline
Jun 2019
#12
Like it or not, he responded with two important things: historical context and his overall record
ancianita
Jun 2019
#31
Like it or not... this will NOT help her position! She was way over the top with emotion
Thekaspervote
Jun 2019
#71
i've been saying that all along. Her misplaced indignance showed her being flippant and lacking in
onetexan
Jun 2019
#94
Joe Biden still gets choked up when he talks about the deaths of his wife and baby girl
mcar
Jun 2019
#200
The issue of busing kids was more complicated than it appears on the surface.
colorado_ufo
Jun 2019
#44
Yes, people are fired up I get it!! But tears and an emotional outburst...this will not help her
Thekaspervote
Jun 2019
#77
Why are you reviving that nasty false meme? HRC thought no such thing, nor does Biden as far
emulatorloo
Jun 2019
#144
I read your post. If Kamala Harris was attacked in a similar way, Senator Harris supporters would
emulatorloo
Jun 2019
#170
Amen to that... if you don't think so, do some of your own personal polling
Thekaspervote
Jun 2019
#235
He answered it effectively. I researched it afterwards. He was correct. She has misrepresented it.
Honeycombe8
Jun 2019
#98
The fact that his response is the lead story from the debate is proof he didn't answer effectively
EffieBlack
Jun 2019
#102
Media is driven by 2 things: 1- a shallow horse race narrative and 2-tearing Democrats down
emulatorloo
Jun 2019
#154
A major presidential candidate whose record on civil rights in general and busing in particular
EffieBlack
Jun 2019
#117
It was a fair question, but definitely planned-and I think it may backfire with this.
58Sunliner
Jun 2019
#112
It is HER TRUTH-but I'm not sure that fund-raising off of being a victim is the best look.
58Sunliner
Jun 2019
#185
Some reports have his campaign worker saying he was not willing to take debate prep
tblue37
Jun 2019
#159
The longer someone has held political office, the more opportunity there is to find fault
Martin Eden
Jun 2019
#184
It's more than that. They dont want to feel uncomfortable.. especially on matters of race
tymorial
Jun 2019
#192
Hillary basically gave that answer when she was bashed for her Iraq war vote.
SunSeeker
Jun 2019
#282
not really the same thing because that was about fitness for the job and foreign policy
JI7
Jun 2019
#286
Running against the racist Trump we need a candidate with no past history to apologize over
Liberty Belle
Jun 2019
#228
I'm not angry, but I really winced at the hurt on his face.He was NOT prepared & he should have been
Hekate
Jun 2019
#245
I'm disappointed in Harris really. I mean I understand it's politics and I'll always like her
UniteFightBack
Jun 2019
#249