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EffieBlack

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150. Please reread my post and note the "supposedly"
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:46 PM
Jun 2019

I didn't agree with that assessment but am just pointing out the double standard.

I don't believe Hillary thought any such thing, but I do see Biden supporters arguing he should be treated with kid gloves because he's the frontrunner.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
Fair comment. eom True Dough Jun 2019 #1
It changed my preference in the DU poll SCantiGOP Jun 2019 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author brandnewday2009 Jun 2019 #55
I'm supporting Warren now because I'm an economist and really like PatrickforO Jun 2019 #121
Good comments. BlueWI Jun 2019 #261
Lost confidence in Biden awhile ago... last night only confirmed what so many already knew. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #128
Here's the truth DownriverDem Jun 2019 #97
I'm lost as to how that relates to the OP. Also, Obama was barely known early on too. TheBlackAdder Jun 2019 #122
Sorry to disagree Butterflylady Jun 2019 #145
How Trump won? ArcticFox Jun 2019 #232
Amen! BlueWI Jun 2019 #272
Great post Ferrets are Cool Jun 2019 #274
Unfortunately that's a big part of it, at least until/unless we can abolish the Electoral College. calimary Jun 2019 #202
If I had a dollar for every time I said the person I want to support is the one who is most likely Eliot Rosewater Jun 2019 #205
remember how Hillary was the only one who coudl beat trump? DonCoquixote Jun 2019 #209
Yes, we misunderstood these places in 2016, and we still misunderstand them. marylandblue Jun 2019 #214
oddly, I don't remember the HRC was the only one... TrunKated Jun 2019 #223
Even if Biden wins, he can't singlehandedly run the government. BlueWI Jun 2019 #262
Horrible strategy. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #265
Here is my question in regard to busing: olegramps Jun 2019 #113
I was bused iamateacher Jun 2019 #135
I think she implied that her experience was also positive EffieBlack Jun 2019 #141
If that is the case then just why did she bring it up? That puzzles me. olegramps Jun 2019 #222
She could only talk about his position on busing if her experience with busing was negative? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #224
Her point was that busing was good for integration--and by implication, for her--but that tblue37 Jun 2019 #167
Thanks for clarifying iamateacher Jun 2019 #186
Busing DallasNE Jun 2019 #157
No. That's not even close to how it worked. EffieBlack Jun 2019 #168
When you have time jberryhill Jun 2019 #276
So, the purpose of Harris' question was to help Biden? 3Hotdogs Jun 2019 #229
What is the race card anyway? BlueWI Jun 2019 #271
Biden should have expected someone on that stage mcar Jun 2019 #2
And yet Atlanta Mayor Keisha Bottoms endorsed Cha Jun 2019 #5
And that's fine. Good for him mcar Jun 2019 #6
This why we have multiple debates Zambero Jun 2019 #79
That's right mcar Jun 2019 #83
I consider it to be a non-embarrassing embarrassment of riches! Zambero Jun 2019 #95
Biden is formidable and has a lot of friends in the Party comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #11
Yippie!! Joe for POTUS & Kamala for VP :) onetexan Jun 2019 #18
Pretty Cool Endorsement the morning Cha Jun 2019 #53
u got it Cha onetexan Jun 2019 #88
Yes, that endorsement throws cold water on the bonfire. peggysue2 Jun 2019 #132
More from Mayor Bottoms to douse the flames.. Cha Jun 2019 #136
Excellent! peggysue2 Jun 2019 #139
All black people don't think alike EffieBlack Jun 2019 #148
Did I say that? That all AA's are the same. peggysue2 Jun 2019 #161
Yes, you did - if you think the endorsement of one black elected official EffieBlack Jun 2019 #165
Suggesting Am I? peggysue2 Jun 2019 #177
A black mayor's endorsement is great. But it doesn't "douse" the opinions of any EffieBlack Jun 2019 #193
That's not what I said and you know it peggysue2 Jun 2019 #194
Agreed tulipsandroses Jun 2019 #278
Yeah, the lapping flames that are Cha Jun 2019 #153
Would be a great matchup Zambero Jun 2019 #143
touche'!! onetexan Jun 2019 #47
I'm with Atlanta's Mayor, Keisha Bottoms! Cha Jun 2019 #56
Woo Hoo!!! That's a big one! blue-wave Jun 2019 #125
Aloha, blue-wave! More on Biden from Mayor Bottoms.. Cha Jun 2019 #131
I love manufactured outrage nvme Jun 2019 #140
You seem to have misunderstood what she said mcar Jun 2019 #196
"still damaged by the experience of riding a bus"... stillcool Jun 2019 #248
It's definitely disappointing, I agree srobertss Jun 2019 #284
I'm not seeing all of this anger. NT SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #3
I thought he answered if effectively. ucrdem Jun 2019 #4
No, he didn't, and his body language said a lot Perseus Jun 2019 #8
I dunno about body language but I was watching on a laptop ucrdem Jun 2019 #15
exactly. Joe answered well and handled the situation well. If he came out swinging at her the media onetexan Jun 2019 #21
Right, he tossed off a quip to Cory over his shoulder as he was getting in his car ucrdem Jun 2019 #27
He wasn't about to disrespect her and didn't. FloridaBlues Jun 2019 #106
When Buttigieg was confronted with the police issue he is facing in his city Perseus Jun 2019 #26
Buttigieg did well. ucrdem Jun 2019 #40
I only watched some replays here and there. I just cannot watch 2 hours of that pangaia Jun 2019 #68
Don't forget that Harris gave him the opportunity to say what his positions is now Perseus Jun 2019 #137
That's what I'd like to know. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #267
No, he didn't. Goodheart Jun 2019 #13
lied about what? ucrdem Jun 2019 #16
He lied when he said he opposed busing. Goodheart Jun 2019 #28
That's what he said last night: he didn't oppose busing, just federally mandated busing. ucrdem Jun 2019 #32
But, yes, he DID oppose busing altogether. Goodheart Jun 2019 #37
Hard to make blanket statements about the totality of what Biden said. ucrdem Jun 2019 #52
Thank you..there's so much Cha Jun 2019 #50
CNN fact-checked the exchange Celerity Jun 2019 #61
WaPo: "he said he would support busing in cases where ucrdem Jun 2019 #65
re-read please Celerity Jun 2019 #70
Nevertheless he did not unequivocally oppose busing. nt ucrdem Jun 2019 #72
not true Celerity Jun 2019 #124
That legislation only addresses forced busing tied to federal education funds. ucrdem Jun 2019 #155
Louisville is still bussing, I already posted an in depth article on it Celerity Jun 2019 #172
Biden's legislation addressed federal funding. It didn't preclude busing. nt ucrdem Jun 2019 #174
you must not be reading Celerity Jun 2019 #180
"federal funds." You bolded it. nt ucrdem Jun 2019 #181
yes, no federal funds to assign teachers or students to schools Celerity Jun 2019 #182
That is what Biden said he opposed last night. ucrdem Jun 2019 #187
"none of those federal funds could be used by school systems to assign teachers or students" by race hedda_foil Jun 2019 #239
Do you have anything to back that up? whopis01 Jun 2019 #291
i was wondering when this would surface... sacto95834 Jun 2019 #73
Thank you for this informative post. pangaia Jun 2019 #78
He was strongly opposed to busing then EffieBlack Jun 2019 #42
Very BAD Biden quote from 1970's womanofthehills Jun 2019 #231
"Lied" about what?! Cha Jun 2019 #20
He didn't tell the truth when he said he wasn't opposed to busting EffieBlack Jun 2019 #46
But not in all cases. ucrdem Jun 2019 #66
Oh, please EffieBlack Jun 2019 #85
What do you think would have been a better answer? ucrdem Jun 2019 #93
He could have talked about why he took the position he did then and whether and why he evolved since EffieBlack Jun 2019 #100
Those are good. ucrdem Jun 2019 #103
It doesn't even need to be a long answer EffieBlack Jun 2019 #107
You know, Effie, I bet that is pretty much what he believes mcar Jun 2019 #197
I think so, too. I just can't understand why he's having so much trouble saying it EffieBlack Jun 2019 #217
I agree mcar Jun 2019 #218
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2019 #211
How about simply admitting he was wrong then? Perseus Jun 2019 #152
According to the Supreme Court he wasn't wrong. nt ucrdem Jun 2019 #158
According to the Supreme Court of the 1970s he was dead wrong EffieBlack Jun 2019 #163
I don't think reviving 1970s-era busing is a winning issue. nt ucrdem Jun 2019 #164
a state's right defence (given in 2019) by a Democrat is an effective answer??? Celerity Jun 2019 #19
That's a better position than where we are now: ucrdem Jun 2019 #23
Busing destroyed neighborhood Schools True Blue American Jun 2019 #25
And gave rise to charter schools. ucrdem Jun 2019 #29
Yes True Blue American Jun 2019 #76
The City That Believed in Desegregation. Integration isn't easy, but Louisville, Kentucky, has Celerity Jun 2019 #43
Thanks for posting that NT tishaLA Jun 2019 #279
It's NEVER a Defense..... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #54
Then and now Zambero Jun 2019 #101
Then he should talk about it that way EffieBlack Jun 2019 #111
Agree Zambero Jun 2019 #138
TV pundits were all over it this am, in the breakfast clubs/new shows. appalachiablue Jun 2019 #38
No, he did not! LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #49
No, not states rights. He did not say that. nt ucrdem Jun 2019 #69
Ummm... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #87
In other words, he didn't say it. YOU said it. ucrdem Jun 2019 #91
He Said It.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #108
He clearly didn't say it. He said "local decision." nt ucrdem Jun 2019 #115
Ummm..... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #149
Still no mention of states rights. nt ucrdem Jun 2019 #169
This the Best you can do huh??? LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #175
Thank you ucrdem Jun 2019 #176
Well justie18 Jun 2019 #96
Biden simply was unprepared to answer an obvious question. comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #7
He was unprepared because he has no answer for that question Perseus Jun 2019 #14
Well, just like "States Rights".... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #51
Yeah, he really just tried to wallpaper his past. But one's past is always there in pretty plain KPN Jun 2019 #59
Busing, he was awful. But, honestly, the NRA is primarily funded by gun manufacturers Hoyt Jun 2019 #60
The NRA may be funded by gun manufacturers which make the NRA a tool. mercenaries Perseus Jun 2019 #166
If there were no gun manufacturers/profiteers, there would not be today's NRA. Hoyt Jun 2019 #171
No he didn't, his words were "The NRA is not the problem, it is the gun manufacturer's" Perseus Jun 2019 #188
Sorry, the NRA is essentially the lobbying arm of gun manufacturers/profiteers. Hoyt Jun 2019 #189
Exactly, so why did he defend the NRA? Perseus Jun 2019 #191
+1000 gldstwmn Jun 2019 #268
Meh Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #63
He knew it was coming, it was 50 years ago. Different times call for different actions Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #62
I'll buy that. He better up his game because 45 will be coming at him Kind of Blue Jun 2019 #9
45 wants him, he is the easiest target Democrats have, so much baggage Perseus Jun 2019 #22
Watching de Blasio apologize to Wolf on CNN for the Che Guevara appalachiablue Jun 2019 #45
If you think Biden will not stand up to trump you haven't been reading what he's saying Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #64
Biden was much too surprised and defensive in his response to Harris marylandblue Jun 2019 #215
"he knows Biden likes to be liked and be decent..." Kind of Blue Jun 2019 #120
This is a video showing Biden with "Mitch" Perseus Jun 2019 #203
Trump could chew him up. LiberalLovinLug Jun 2019 #173
"I want a confident aggressive leader who can't be stalled instantly Kind of Blue Jun 2019 #208
Thank you LiberalLovinLug Jun 2019 #242
The main problem I saw Bayard Jun 2019 #10
That's what I saw. Along with his pledge not to go after R B Garr Jun 2019 #17
Oh please...this had nothing to do about not going after another democrat Perseus Jun 2019 #24
Yes, it did. He was everyone's target and it showed. No one R B Garr Jun 2019 #33
We're you there?!!! It was a different time Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #67
Harris gave him a chance to answer on is views now Perseus Jun 2019 #190
... Kind of Blue Jun 2019 #133
How utterly ridiculous to make busing an issue some 40 years R B Garr Jun 2019 #247
Her anger and crying? mcar Jun 2019 #198
She choked back tears and said she was hurt. R B Garr Jun 2019 #251
She did get choked up. No tears mcar Jun 2019 #253
She came across as angry, sorry. Wasn't it supposed to be an R B Garr Jun 2019 #255
He was falling straight into the rabbit hole.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #58
It's not an intellectual failing on his part. I think she got to his soul. MaryMagdaline Jun 2019 #12
Like it or not, he responded with two important things: historical context and his overall record ancianita Jun 2019 #31
Yes it seemed to me he was ready for the question. ucrdem Jun 2019 #35
My opinion - Biden marieo1 Jun 2019 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author brandnewday2009 Jun 2019 #48
Like it or not... this will NOT help her position! She was way over the top with emotion Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #71
i've been saying that all along. Her misplaced indignance showed her being flippant and lacking in onetexan Jun 2019 #94
No.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #110
Joe Biden still gets choked up when he talks about the deaths of his wife and baby girl mcar Jun 2019 #200
This message was self-deleted by its author brandnewday2009 Jun 2019 #257
+1 K&R onetexan Jun 2019 #89
Spot on, he could have turned it into a winning moment for himself BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author brandnewday2009 Jun 2019 #39
What reports...please rerference!! Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #75
I saw Biden take that shot through the heart. Camaromjr Jun 2019 #41
The issue of busing kids was more complicated than it appears on the surface. colorado_ufo Jun 2019 #44
You'd think we were a week away from the election! WinstonSmith4740 Jun 2019 #57
Yes, people are fired up I get it!! But tears and an emotional outburst...this will not help her Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #77
what tears?.. stillcool Jun 2019 #99
Right? mcar Jun 2019 #201
Same. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #269
There was not one tear that came from Kamala's Eyes... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #114
Are you referring to Biden or Harris? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #118
Biden was 100% correct when he said, "My time is up." GumboYaYa Jun 2019 #74
Snark! Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #80
I'm glad he shut himself up. ucrdem Jun 2019 #82
Black women are also aggressive and angry a lot obamanut2012 Jun 2019 #81
Challenging Biden like that is a necessary part of the process patphil Jun 2019 #84
I remember a time EffieBlack Jun 2019 #92
Why are you reviving that nasty false meme? HRC thought no such thing, nor does Biden as far emulatorloo Jun 2019 #144
Please reread my post and note the "supposedly" EffieBlack Jun 2019 #150
I read your post. If Kamala Harris was attacked in a similar way, Senator Harris supporters would emulatorloo Jun 2019 #170
Biden equals Trump win. mudstump Jun 2019 #86
No.. you're Wrong. Cha Jun 2019 #116
I think it was a fatal blow to Biden. Still In Wisconsin Jun 2019 #90
Haha.. No.. No "fatal blows" for Biden.. Cha Jun 2019 #119
Yeah, you wish peggysue2 Jun 2019 #134
Yes DU has already predicted many many 'fatal blows' for Biden. emulatorloo Jun 2019 #147
Amen to that... if you don't think so, do some of your own personal polling Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #235
He answered it effectively. I researched it afterwards. He was correct. She has misrepresented it. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #98
The fact that his response is the lead story from the debate is proof he didn't answer effectively EffieBlack Jun 2019 #102
Media is driven by 2 things: 1- a shallow horse race narrative and 2-tearing Democrats down emulatorloo Jun 2019 #154
How do you define "effective" in the context of a debate? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #156
She didn't misrepresent his position. Another poster found articles pnwmom Jun 2019 #241
It's difficult to anticipate questions that are sung your way. FloridaBlues Jun 2019 #104
A major presidential candidate whose record on civil rights in general and busing in particular EffieBlack Jun 2019 #117
Every Candidate Should Be Prepared to Answer Hard Questions Every Time dlk Jun 2019 #105
My heart-felt honest response: George II Jun 2019 #109
People in my family found it effective and credited the experience delisen Jun 2019 #142
It was a fair question, but definitely planned-and I think it may backfire with this. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #112
It's Her Truth.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #162
It is HER TRUTH-but I'm not sure that fund-raising off of being a victim is the best look. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #185
Actually, Yes She Can.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #213
Sure she can-but is it a good idea? 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #243
Ask Her.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #244
It's a CAMPAIGN EffieBlack Jun 2019 #226
I have been a Biden supporter ValidateThis Jun 2019 #123
fair points Celerity Jun 2019 #126
Thank you eom ValidateThis Jun 2019 #130
Rather than add anything your post says it all for me. gordianot Jun 2019 #160
Thank you eom ValidateThis Jun 2019 #225
She owned his ass. People need to get the fuck over it. LexVegas Jun 2019 #127
K&R bluewater Jun 2019 #129
Who the hell is angry? Tipperary Jun 2019 #146
You apparently haven't been reading the board ... EffieBlack Jun 2019 #151
Some reports have his campaign worker saying he was not willing to take debate prep tblue37 Jun 2019 #159
Biden is coasting Boomer Jun 2019 #230
"Times have changed, fortunately, and I have learned a lot." dawg day Jun 2019 #178
YES! A simple recognition that he's changed and doesn't have the same beliefs pnwmom Jun 2019 #240
let's go Joe ! stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #179
If.... Newland56 Jun 2019 #183
Hear, hear! FiveGoodMen Jul 2019 #295
The longer someone has held political office, the more opportunity there is to find fault Martin Eden Jun 2019 #184
Then he should explain his evolution EffieBlack Jun 2019 #195
Or Newland56 Jun 2019 #199
His anti-busing stance IS part of his voting record EffieBlack Jun 2019 #206
I agree Newland56 Jun 2019 #210
I'm sure all of that will be done to Harris in the coming months EffieBlack Jun 2019 #219
I agree again Newland56 Jun 2019 #233
I don't think her bump was from tearing anyone down EffieBlack Jun 2019 #234
It's more than that. They dont want to feel uncomfortable.. especially on matters of race tymorial Jun 2019 #192
Agreed Eliot Rosewater Jun 2019 #204
Recommended. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #207
I'm not sure we know yet if it was fatal or not ecstatic Jun 2019 #212
All Joe had to do was say this: Grasswire2 Jun 2019 #216
That would have been a bad answer. I'm glad he didn't say that EffieBlack Jun 2019 #227
can you tell me why? So I can understand? nt Grasswire2 Jun 2019 #250
It's the "I have a black friend " answer tishaLA Jun 2019 #283
Yes !! Indeed Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #236
Hillary basically gave that answer when she was bashed for her Iraq war vote. SunSeeker Jun 2019 #282
not really the same thing because that was about fitness for the job and foreign policy JI7 Jun 2019 #286
Indeed. Some are already criticizing him for doing that. SunSeeker Jun 2019 #287
Kamal Harris SKILLFULL bigbadR Jun 2019 #220
Pass the touch gldstwmn Jun 2019 #270
Consider this: Mr.Bill Jun 2019 #221
Running against the racist Trump we need a candidate with no past history to apologize over Liberty Belle Jun 2019 #228
So Mary Williamson (Or Yang) it is? ecstatic Jun 2019 #254
Her campaign had a picture ready for Twitter and a T-shirt ready to sell. nsd Jun 2019 #237
a picture? Her campaign had.. stillcool Jun 2019 #246
Oh, yeah, you're totally right ... nsd Jun 2019 #252
spontaeous? stillcool Jun 2019 #256
k&r DesertRat Jun 2019 #238
I'm not angry, but I really winced at the hurt on his face.He was NOT prepared & he should have been Hekate Jun 2019 #245
Mahalo, Hekate.. you are just the best.. Cha Jun 2019 #260
Aw, thanks Hekate Jun 2019 #264
You are.. Cha Jun 2019 #266
I'm disappointed in Harris really. I mean I understand it's politics and I'll always like her UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #249
Both Harris and Biden are doing well. cwydro Jun 2019 #258
This moment brought both Biden and Harris down for me. n/t mia Jun 2019 #259
This is only the tip of the iceberg. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #263
Let's say you are correct. Wouldn't that mean it was ultimately a bad choice defacto7 Jun 2019 #273
I think it's because she's abrasive. JohnnyRingo Jun 2019 #275
Abrasive? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #280
Yes, another "abrasive," woman tishaLA Jun 2019 #285
Yes, abrasive. JohnnyRingo Jun 2019 #294
Oh God, not this again. SunSeeker Jun 2019 #288
Warren supporter really appreciating Harris fallrey Jun 2019 #277
K & R SunSeeker Jun 2019 #281
But what is the point? videohead5 Jun 2019 #289
You think those are the only two choices? StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #293
It was a setup Lytex59 Jun 2019 #290
Very much so FiveGoodMen Jul 2019 #296
The thing that troubles me most about this is Biden's lack of preparedness to answer it. Texin Jun 2019 #292
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