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guillaumeb

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17. True, but to your point:

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 06:23 PM

Jun 2019

In 1973, PDK asked respondents about their views of school integration in general, noting that it was a broader concept than busing, which is a specific desegregation strategy. In that poll, 30 percent of voters said more should be done "to integrate schools throughout the nation," 38 percent said less should be done, and 23 percent said nothing should change.

So 38% said that less should be done. And that corresponds roughly to the percentage of Americans who approve of Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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The busing issue is based on one unavoidable fact. [View all] guillaumeb Jun 2019 OP

Bussing never worked and everyone hated it. Equality in education democratisphere Jun 2019 #1

When would it have come along? Because it's nearly 50 years later and we're nowhere close. hedda_foil Jun 2019 #2

When? When communities offered voluntary busing. When it became a choice not a mandate. nt Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #4

Do I think Jackson MS would offer voluntary busing? dawg day Jun 2019 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #56

Why are you saying that? Who are you saying it to? dawg day Jun 2019 #57

That picture customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #71

They didn't claim it was from the 1970s StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #73

That is a relevant photo customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #74

No. The point of the photo as I saw it was to ask someone who said StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #76

Observant and quick. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #77

My point was that THIS-- what the picture showed- came before busing dawg day Jun 2019 #86

I don't have to answer to you. What would you have done? Do you. nt Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #103

To be honest... UncleTomsEvilBrother Jun 2019 #102

According to VP Biden, we should apparently let these things be up to the states KitSileya Jun 2019 #75

well.. why don't we ask some REAL experts about Biden ...John Lewis and Jim Clyburn to start Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #79

Why did you reference Jackson Michigan ? MichMan Jun 2019 #82

That's where Medgar Evers did his integration activism and was assassinated for it- dawg day Jun 2019 #88

In Michigan??? MichMan Jun 2019 #92

Oh, sorry, you're right. Jackson MS dawg day Jun 2019 #95

Even after integration.. cannabis_flower Jun 2019 #110

If anything, it is worse. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #5

When substantial investment was made in community schools to provide equal quality in emmaverybo Jun 2019 #26

But it has not. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #3

Wait what AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #11

I grew up in a suburb in L.A., mostly white and middle class happyaccident Jun 2019 #15

The program made my parents extremely angry. AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #29

I did not hate it. We had it for only one generation of students delisen Jun 2019 #33

Do you mean White people hated it? sacto95834 Jun 2019 #45

correct K&R onetexan Jun 2019 #54

When will that start? Bettie Jun 2019 #87

'Forced busing' didn't fail. Desegregation is the best way to improve our schools. Celerity Jun 2019 #93

When? Chitown Kev Jun 2019 #121

This and here is the history.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #6

I will read the link, and thank you for it. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #8

No Problem... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #10

Just heard Professor Kehinde Andrews of Birmingham University KitSileya Jun 2019 #78

Well stated. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #97

Biden's problen is that he worked with known racists to oppose bussing. bluewater Jun 2019 #7

Some had other reasons to oppose busing. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #9

This 'ISSUE' was a political maneuver by Harris. Period. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #12

The "issue" is based on actual history and fact. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #14

She created this issue on the back of Biden to exploit. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #22

Are you suggesting she has a time machine? AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #24

Nicely done. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #27

It is refreshing AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #30

Yes, it is. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #32

It is quite interesting! AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #44

Were we talking about busing yesterday? Are you taking the word 'created' literally. UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #38

It came up, over the political character of a candidate. AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #43

Hey let's just keep doing the work for the pukes and we can send someone into the general UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #49

I don't care if a Democrat shoots someone on 5th avenue either. marylandblue Jun 2019 #94

If you don't want candidates that know how to play to win, what's the point of showing up to the AtheistCrusader Jul 2019 #144

1972 wyldwolf Jun 2019 #13

True, but to your point: guillaumeb Jun 2019 #17

When busing was removed from the mix, the support for school desegration doubled wyldwolf Jun 2019 #21

Busing a tool, not an end StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #37

Has busing been "removed from the mix?" My kid was bused in 2003 to a different middle school dawg day Jun 2019 #89

We're referring to a poll where busing was removed from the equation and treated as a separate issue wyldwolf Jun 2019 #90

"Clearly compulsory busing was unpopular with a vast majority of Americans" bluewater Jun 2019 #19

It's 50 freaking years ago...sorry you can't move on and it's so 'indefensible'. UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #23

Not apologizing for it now is indefensible. bluewater Jun 2019 #31

Oh yes the original sin...being 'civil' to racist dixiecrats. UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #36

Don't forget working with them in the Senate to oppose bussing. bluewater Jun 2019 #40

Oh my god he opposed busing which his constituents also opposed. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #42

but he didnt say that during the debate AlexSFCA Jun 2019 #112

If what happened "50 freaking years ago" is irrelevant, why did he bring it up? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #145

But that's beside the point. Goodheart Jun 2019 #20

And in 1978, the judge in Evans v. Buchanan had enough of Delaware's bullshit jberryhill Jun 2019 #35

Well said. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #60

Thanks for the factual background. BlueWI Jun 2019 #67

Well polls indicated racism and segregation were quite popular then, too. Hoyt Jun 2019 #52

Damned straight jberryhill Jun 2019 #63

The 70s called and want their issues back treestar Jun 2019 #70

Agreed customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #72

Here are Biden's own words Goodheart Jun 2019 #16

As I noted, busing was a response to second class schools and opportunities. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #18

That's beside the point. Maybe he should have used that in his defense? Goodheart Jun 2019 #25

Possibly. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #28

Put a person in a corner and then make them chose between two options to answer a complex emmaverybo Jun 2019 #34

LOL. Get real. Goodheart Jun 2019 #39

That is true, but racism is so endemic to the system guillaumeb Jun 2019 #46

And she was bused on a voluntary system. Her parents were highly educated; not all if Berkley emmaverybo Jun 2019 #48

She is a non-white female running in a very racist, very misogynistic country. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #50

She should be confronting THEM. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #51

And she will. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #58

In other words, confront the guy who isn't an actual proud and flagrant racist supported by emmaverybo Jun 2019 #66

Bravo!! Well said Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #81

She has blunted legitimate attacks on true racists R B Garr Jun 2019 #107

YES. Unfortunately for no other reason. She is not confronting racists or racism in America, but emmaverybo Jun 2019 #111

It's a very questionable strategy about racism, for sure. R B Garr Jun 2019 #120

I'm trying to understand the picture you're painting of Sen. Harris. Kind of Blue Jun 2019 #84

Thank you! Kind of Blue Jun 2019 #85

You are welcome. eom guillaumeb Jun 2019 #98

Indeed and the polls prove it Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #80

No. Integration was a response to segregation in schools. Busing was one method to achieve a goal. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #41

Well said. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #47

Busing was simply the method of transporting students to the new schools they were assigned to StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #134

I have to laugh Dan Jun 2019 #55

Yes indeed. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #61

Yep jberryhill Jun 2019 #64

The first day of forced busing in Lubbock, Tx. resulted in a dead Black student... czarjak Jun 2019 #59

Separate but equal was invented by racists to justify segregation. eom guillaumeb Jun 2019 #62

Where I lived working class Blacks and Whites lived literally right beside Blue_true Jun 2019 #65

Here's the thing jberryhill Jun 2019 #68

In the Deep South, it was economics. Blue_true Jun 2019 #69

Sundown laws were more common in the north unc70 Jun 2019 #91

And segregation does not need to be written into the law. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #106

BS wyldwolf Jun 2019 #96

Black people were bused to inferior schools, often pass White schools. Blue_true Jun 2019 #99

Your reply makes zero sense. wyldwolf Jun 2019 #100

You just don't get it. Blue_true Jun 2019 #104

NO it was not wyldwolf Jun 2019 #113

The information that I gave was summarized from Wikipedia and an NPR story about public Blue_true Jun 2019 #114

Wikipedia and NPR? Link? Or was it your intepretation? wyldwolf Jun 2019 #116

Show me your links. I read both information sources and both agreed, that is Blue_true Jun 2019 #118

So your response is "show me your links first?" LOL. You have none. wyldwolf Jun 2019 #119

i was bused in late grade school. went to an early magnet school. i loved it. pansypoo53219 Jun 2019 #83

Not in Berkeley, California, it wasn't... RHMerriman Jun 2019 #101

To your points: guillaumeb Jun 2019 #105

So again, are you going to argue that housing prices are something to be regulated by the federal RHMerriman Jun 2019 #108

Segregation by race impacts how people can accumulate wealth. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #109

And segregation by race in housing via restricted convenants has been illegal since 1948 RHMerriman Jun 2019 #117

The issue is not moot. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #122

Then have the 'threateners" investigated and face the consequences of their actions RHMerriman Jun 2019 #123

So it is that easy? guillaumeb Jun 2019 #126

Does that mean to combat it you're going to argue the federal government RHMerriman Jun 2019 #128

We will agree to disagree. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #129

Yes, and now that it is illegal, racism has disappeared. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #124

Yeah, crime doesn't disappear when it is made illegal. RHMerriman Jun 2019 #125

Actually, it was a response to mandates resulting from Brown v. Board of Education, The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #115

This excellent response deserves to be its own post. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #127

I was bussed so have first hand experience. GulfCoast66 Jun 2019 #130

Busing was an attempt at forced integration. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #131

Busing was simply the method of transporting students to the new schools StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #132

Excellent point. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #133

in my personal experience, limited as it might be, it was indeed the bus. GulfCoast66 Jun 2019 #135

I hear you StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #136

I wonder if the time frame and geography played a role. GulfCoast66 Jun 2019 #137

Busing didn't push them away. Desegregation did. StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #138

I respect your opinion. And In a majority of cases it is true. GulfCoast66 Jun 2019 #139

I understand and appreciate your perspective StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #140

Good points. But I do think there were better alternatives. GulfCoast66 Jun 2019 #141

A lot of these remedies are great on concept but either unworkable or too slow StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #142

There we agree. Hindsight is always 20/20. GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #143