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marylandblue

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26. First of all, Fuck your feelings doesn't apply when it's in their interest.
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 04:00 PM
Jun 2019

Second of all, the point is, they are going to use EVERY vote he ever made from the day he entered the Senate and EVERY thing he ever said against him in EVERY possible way. Just like they did to Kerry, Gore and Clinton, only worse. Our candidates didn't seem prepared for it on any of those occasions. Each of them had possible strategies they could have used against the attacks, but didn't.

Would it be fair if Harris attacked Pete on the shooting. No it wouldn't, but that doesn't matter, and she probably won't bother. He had zero support in the AA community but he was just starting to get some traction when the worst possible thing happened to his candidacy. I don't think he can recover, it's not his fault, and you are like the fourth person who thinks the unfairness against Pete is some kind of gotcha. It isn't, because all I care about is what works, not what's fair. So I am doing the unfair to him. I'm switching to Warren, as of now. In part because I think her best counter to unfair attacks against her is to stay on message. Which she has been doing. So let Harris call her Pocahontas or DINO or whatever, I think Warren has a plan for that. We'll see.

If I am wrong (I hope I am) and he recovers, maybe I'll switch back.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Yup.. As I've been repeatedly saying CONTEXT is everything. Such "issue mining" may backfire on all. hlthe2b Jun 2019 #1
It's tempting for candidates and their supporters to use things like that MineralMan Jun 2019 #6
K and r. cwydro Jun 2019 #2
Agreed Bayard Jun 2019 #3
I don't particularly like the circular firing squad analogy, but MineralMan Jun 2019 #8
... Duppers Jun 2019 #41
So you think republicans won't or have not done that research on their own Perseus Jun 2019 #77
I highly doubt Republicans will bring up being opposed to busing...it is worse coming from our Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #88
The problem is the vain attempt to explain the context. marylandblue Jun 2019 #4
So it would be fair if Harris treestar Jun 2019 #10
First of all, Fuck your feelings doesn't apply when it's in their interest. marylandblue Jun 2019 #26
I personally think Harris should face this too and Warren also. Hell all of our candidates...it Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #89
That's good, because that has nothing to do with my point. marylandblue Jun 2019 #96
He is the only one who can attract rustbelt voters...Trump takes Mi, WI and PA, he wins...that is a Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #102
Well, if you only believe in one nominee, what else could you think? marylandblue Jun 2019 #107
I believe in winning...if there was another nominee with a better chance, I would support him/her. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #109
Excellent response, I agree. saidsimplesimon Jun 2019 #128
Yes how come any supporter of anyone else treestar Jun 2019 #125
Prove any of the others can win treestar Jun 2019 #124
I've checked my crystal ball, and it proves that any of the following could win marylandblue Jun 2019 #148
The whole point of campaigning is to try to win treestar Jun 2019 #151
Other candidates have certainly made cases for themselves. marylandblue Jun 2019 #160
Not much there treestar Jun 2019 #162
Oh brother, have you been even watching the campaigns? marylandblue Jun 2019 #166
Obama didn't support marriage equality. ChiTownDenny Jun 2019 #39
actually Obama did support it but changed his position when he ran for president JI7 Jun 2019 #56
Well, that's totally different, then. ChiTownDenny Jun 2019 #68
No he didn't. He supported civil unions...Biden pushed for marriage. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #90
Plus, Trump has taught us that this stuff doesn't matter moose65 Jun 2019 #42
Yes, Warren does have a good story, and I don't hold her earlier MineralMan Jun 2019 #12
Agree completely. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #5
Wapo headline, 'Rivals attack Biden, with Harris leading the way on race issues', 6-28 empedocles Jun 2019 #7
Actually, it's not useful for those individuals, either. MineralMan Jun 2019 #9
As a VP nominee, Harris' negatives would be heavily used against the Dems, by rw media. empedocles Jun 2019 #14
Everyone's negatives will be used by the Republicans. MineralMan Jun 2019 #15
trump's 20% base will not be moved. The 80%, trump's next 20%, has spots for picking imo. Various empedocles Jun 2019 #19
Yes, exactly. We need some of those voters to pad our results MineralMan Jun 2019 #23
The larger the winning Dem margins the greater the repeal of trump disasters. empedocles Jun 2019 #38
I used to think she would be a great VP, but not after that cheap shot at Biden. colorado_ufo Jun 2019 #43
I don't think Dems cheering on these attacks do so with an eye to what's good for the party emmaverybo Jun 2019 #36
Good post. Support everything you said. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #11
Thank you! MineralMan Jun 2019 #13
When a candidate has nothing of themselves to offer and they resort democratisphere Jun 2019 #16
If Biden had of fixed the "boy" comments and apologized instead being defensive Indygram Jun 2019 #17
I think you are incorrect in that. MineralMan Jun 2019 #25
She had this planned before that...she was going to use it all along...but I see no reason why Biden Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #91
For the love of dog please treestar Jun 2019 #126
Agree, no candidate will be above reproach FloridaBlues Jun 2019 #18
Yup. I guarantee that every candidate has mistakes and things in MineralMan Jun 2019 #21
And because of Kamala's cheap shot, she has a target on her back unfortunately. wyldwolf Jun 2019 #20
Well, what happened happened. It can't be reversed. MineralMan Jun 2019 #22
It can be contained, though wyldwolf Jun 2019 #28
I would call for that and for Booker to admit to the context in which Biden used the word "boy," emmaverybo Jun 2019 #45
True but after seeing her on Thursday...really doubt such a statement is coming. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #92
Yeah, Glass Houses and Shite. Cha Jun 2019 #24
You'd think everyone would know that already. MineralMan Jun 2019 #27
That's exactly right, Cha peggysue2 Jun 2019 #65
I don't think Biden is going Cha Jun 2019 #100
right Cha treestar Jun 2019 #127
Aloha, treestar! Cha Jun 2019 #169
Good post ... RHMerriman Jun 2019 #29
More likely the gaffes and Pathetic excuses will continue. n/t MarcA Jun 2019 #76
Patheic? RHMerriman Jun 2019 #82
Oh I don't know...perhaps you are being to hard on ...Harris. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #93
Oh, I know...I supported the free coinage of silver back in 1896... First Speaker Jun 2019 #30
Biden "went back decades" to talk about working with Eastland StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #31
Sorry, Joe bought this on himself. He's the one who originated... brush Jun 2019 #32
He did not work with them during the era in which they became well known and virulent emmaverybo Jun 2019 #50
"...a vote for segregation and against civil rights?" No one said that but you. brush Jun 2019 #57
Fair enough. I am referring to conflating a vote against federally forced busing with segregationist emmaverybo Jun 2019 #60
Biden isn't mischaracterizing himself. The detractors are. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #54
The problem is they are his words. He bought up working with segregationists 40 years ago; brush Jun 2019 #58
That is your summary and opinion LakeArenal Jun 2019 #61
Fair enough, but no more forty-year-old stories about segregationists, pls. brush Jun 2019 #64
Once again, your opinion. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #103
Harris is not the only African American offended by his recollection. He was panned... brush Jun 2019 #115
I heard here on DU he went up points. 🤷🏼‍♀️ LakeArenal Jun 2019 #117
I dunno, I have a feeling that maybe no matter what he says treestar Jun 2019 #131
It's worse than you think. Biden just said at an LGBTQ event... brush Jun 2019 #139
That was also my take on the situation. pazzyanne Jun 2019 #66
And Joe should know better than to bring up segregationists and the "boy" remark. brush Jun 2019 #116
I'm still with LakeArenal's post! pazzyanne Jun 2019 #120
It's also unforced error to make a really big deal of it treestar Jun 2019 #130
It's called politics, not bean bags. brush Jun 2019 #135
and people are sick of it treestar Jun 2019 #141
Really good post! ooky Jun 2019 #33
I want a tough as nails candidate to be our nominee watoos Jun 2019 #34
Its because it is an old issue, and she pulled the race card, like WAY early. colorado_ufo Jun 2019 #46
No it was a cheap shot FakeNoose Jun 2019 #62
Here is my take on that incident and your response. pazzyanne Jun 2019 #67
I never thought I would say this before Wednesday, but that person is Bill de Blasio Perseus Jun 2019 #81
I sort of saw a vulnerable child...exposed not tough as nails...she was that little girl after all. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #94
I'm amazed at the idea that this particular incident treestar Jun 2019 #134
Biden - National Treasure marieo1 Jun 2019 #35
Your guy dug this issue up all by himself. Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #37
At this point, aren't they all "our" guys? pazzyanne Jun 2019 #71
If you have selected one of the candidates Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #111
My selecting a candidate does not mean I am not interested in learning pazzyanne Jun 2019 #113
Exactly. And will continue to do. MarcA Jun 2019 #79
Nobody was forced to make a big deal of it treestar Jun 2019 #136
EXACTLY!!! Duppers Jun 2019 #40
Joe Biden went back decades and brought up the issue. CentralMass Jun 2019 #44
Hmmm. pazzyanne Jun 2019 #73
My point being that if this is being percieved as a wound, it is a self inflicted one. CentralMass Jun 2019 #97
Agree! I see the mayor of Atlanta came out the next day in support of Biden Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #47
Yes. colorado_ufo Jun 2019 #48
Its the response wsbradshaw Jun 2019 #49
If you were a sitting Senator and you had a bill you were trying... friend of m and j Jun 2019 #63
Its all over the internet wsbradshaw Jun 2019 #78
He opposed busing...so what...From what my Mom told me most did...you Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #95
I had hoped this would be a civil discussion without unnuendos or implying that.. friend of m and j Jun 2019 #122
His main point was how much worse it has gotten treestar Jun 2019 #142
Warren was a Republican, we could easily do this to her treestar Jun 2019 #138
Was Biden actually 2 votes short on his anti-busing bill or are you delisen Jun 2019 #106
Delisen, My hypothetical really was not intended to .. friend of m and j Jun 2019 #121
Oh, please. Really? treestar Jun 2019 #137
I wonder if maybe having things come out now will make the issues obsolete in the future- dawg day Jun 2019 #51
Right wsbradshaw Jun 2019 #83
True, though the Orange Horror will in most cases treestar Jun 2019 #146
That really was funny in a horrible way, that Trump doesn't even know what 'busing' refers to- dawg day Jun 2019 #167
Well, there is that issue of Trump previously being registered as a Democrat. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2019 #52
This is a current issue loyalsister Jun 2019 #53
Yes, racism is a current issue. One we should be attacking Republican policies and their ooky Jun 2019 #59
The bigotry that drove the most vocal opponents loyalsister Jun 2019 #84
That's exactly what's going to happen in the general. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #55
Attacking a good Democrat and a Vice president...deliberately taking his words out of Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #98
I don't see it as an attack. He brought it up gldstwmn Jun 2019 #118
Strongly disagree Bucky Jun 2019 #69
Misses The Point DallasNE Jun 2019 #70
The Crap I done 45 years ago (never went to Jail) I couldn't run for dog-catcher. I'm not the same demosincebirth Jun 2019 #72
Good try, but what Biden is facing today is not only things he did in the past but things Perseus Jun 2019 #74
Enjoy today because I really think after being out and about today that Biden will weather this Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #99
Biden is playing to third party 2016 tRump KPN Jun 2019 #75
Sorry, but this incident says a lot more about Biden not bothering to prepare stopbush Jun 2019 #80
Everyone has a history that can be exploited... and I will take VP Biden any day over some of the Peacetrain Jun 2019 #85
So are you saying that... UncleTomsEvilBrother Jun 2019 #86
A candidate running on a decades-long record should expect opponents to "go back" decades to check o StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #87
"We" nothing. shanny Jun 2019 #101
She had it planned a long time ago...there is a post right here on it...so it was a hit job. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #105
lol shanny Jun 2019 #114
"Food fight vs. food on the table". Kamala cleverly cleared the decks oasis Jun 2019 #104
Yes, noted. Grasswire2 Jun 2019 #145
I don't like the idea of anyone wounding our best chance oasis Jun 2019 #158
agree nt Grasswire2 Jun 2019 #165
Make that remark and then start a food fight treestar Jun 2019 #149
When a candidate can't win on their own merits and then resorts to oasis Jun 2019 #161
But sooo many here demanded hard vetting of others and now they are getting it. aikoaiko Jun 2019 #108
See that is where you are wrong...I never wanted hard vetting during a primary for Democrats... Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #110
I vaguely remember you being pretty harsh on Bernie as a candidate. aikoaiko Jun 2019 #112
Exactly! nt Raine Jun 2019 #119
You can't take the prosecutor out of the presidential candidate. McCamy Taylor Jun 2019 #123
No. Someone just has to go back a couple of weeks. n/t Politicub Jun 2019 #129
Flinging poo leaves you with dirty, smelly fingers. MineralMan Jun 2019 #133
People need to defend themselves and their communities at times. And Biden supporters Politicub Jun 2019 #144
Agree completely, MineralMan lanlady Jun 2019 #132
Mandatory busing ended a long time ago, too, because MineralMan Jun 2019 #140
Yes, why are our Dems doing the oppo research on each other for the benefit of Republicans????? Grasswire2 Jun 2019 #143
Desperation. That's why. MineralMan Jun 2019 #150
But it's a failing transparent strategy, ultimately. Grasswire2 Jun 2019 #152
You're right about that. It's weak sauce, really, when MineralMan Jun 2019 #154
Well, she did get a buzz from the media. Grasswire2 Jun 2019 #156
She got a temporary bounce, which has already disappeared, MineralMan Jun 2019 #157
Democratic goals not personal egos Dickbaker Jun 2019 #147
Dems run the risk of having a low AA voter turnout if oasis Jun 2019 #168
Biden supporters are on the defensive. They need to realize that Joe put himself stopbush Jun 2019 #153
Not really. We will defend Biden, of course, MineralMan Jun 2019 #155
It's usually the Rs who are warning the Ds that doing something politically savvy stopbush Jun 2019 #163
They Are Dogged colsohlibgal Jun 2019 #164
I understand your point and bias may color my opinion, but: I don't think what Harris did was about Chemisse Jun 2019 #159
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