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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
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In reply to the discussion: It bothers me that Harris's attack on Biden was apparently coldly calculated in advance, [View all]brush
(53,771 posts)371. You're blaming her for Joe's misstep? He inexplicably bought up the incident...
with the segregationists. Hope he learns to leave incidents like that in the past. Mentioning it has cost him nothing but trouble. And Harris is not the only African American upset by it.
It wasn't a smart move.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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highplainsdem
Jun 2019
OP
The black community has EVERY right to confront insensitivity in any way that works.
DemocracyMouse
Jun 2019
#206
Oh my gawd. Biden needs to be stronger, but he does not represent represent the panoply
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#211
I wasn't "flaming" - I'm genuinely sick of this "get Kamala" bullying, when the problem was...
DemocracyMouse
Jun 2019
#215
Well, ok. Yes, you were writing in caps. You feel anger on behalf of Harris. Every person here will
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#222
Hillary grew up middle class. Trump grew up rich. Your "class superiority" theory can't be
emulatorloo
Jun 2019
#320
Much of AA Community was behind the crime bill. Progressive Senator Bernie Sanders voted for it
emulatorloo
Jun 2019
#387
It is the reason I support your candidate if for some reason Biden isn't in it...and I think he will
Demsrule86
Jul 2019
#398
Oh please that was not what went on...a political hit...lets not pretend this was a profound moment.
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#271
Harris does not strike me as angry, she strikes me as both emotional and cynical...
RHMerriman
Jun 2019
#302
Politics is not bean bags. IMO it shows that she manages to display her skills and shine...
brush
Jun 2019
#309
Mixed record? Seriously? Sorry, but Joe was defending "states rights" as his response to her...
brush
Jun 2019
#326
Do you have anything Biden did on race in the last 20 years that's objectionable?
emulatorloo
Jun 2019
#338
Are you really arguing that supporting federally-ordered mandatory busing of public school children
RHMerriman
Jun 2019
#354
He was not responsible for damaging Hill or even trying to. Clarence Thomas, ironically, used
emmaverybo
Jul 2019
#394
One woman refused to. He weighed calling on her as a hostile witness. Counsel to the
emmaverybo
Jul 2019
#412
She created this 'opportunity' And it was dishonest too...facts don't add up...t-shirt ready to
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#363
He'd mentioned it before so she probably had it ready to go before that fundraiser.
ucrdem
Jun 2019
#372
He is known to be gaffe-prone but this was way more than a gaffe. Hope he gets past it...
brush
Jun 2019
#373
She.. harris has said herself "they" she and campaign staff had been planning this for months
Thekaspervote
Jul 2019
#401
Hope she doesn't do that if she ever debates that crude lump. He'd hurt 'em some more.
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#381
It seems weird to me that DU is projecting Donald Trump's very real racism onto Biden
emulatorloo
Jun 2019
#321
Very strange. Biden wants to defeat the White Supremacist enabler. He rolled out his campaign
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#382
Preplanned gotcha moments aren't IMO half as effective as genuine, spontaneous reactions.
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#4
One person did their homework, the other one blew off their debate prep as reported by his aids.
TheBlackAdder
Jun 2019
#160
She lost me ...I never thought she could win a general...but as VP maybe...hell if Biden was gone,
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#322
the entire republican party is is about playing the race card in favor of white people
JI7
Jun 2019
#202
She misrepresented her own story. She was not bused under Federal mandate. NT
emmaverybo
Jul 2019
#395
I agree with you 1,000%. She showed me the real Kamala, last night. I am disgusted.
Skya Rhen
Jun 2019
#5
Agree that the rush to sell the t-shirt was also bad, and also probably planned
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#11
Re the t-shirt -- check out the replies to the CBS News tweet and story about it:
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#134
LOVE the t-shirt, LOVE the debate smackdown. Kamala's got the smarts and moxie to
chimpymustgo
Jun 2019
#369
So? She's been telling that personal story for months now. Nicolle Wallace said that
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#45
She was not an inner city kid...educated parents...lived in Berkley...wait until the oppo research
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#323
We were there when I was little, it was a very nice place as I remember it...
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#329
Yeah...and what year was that picture taken? I went to schools that were not that great to...my
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#364
Were you forced to go to a certain school or prevented from living in a nicer neighborhood
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#365
I'm not disgusted by her, but I was disappointed to realize how calculated what I'd first thought
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#16
Biden was showing his integrity and character by honoring the agreement
friend of m and j
Jun 2019
#210
I have a problem with insincerity and emotional manipulation, which was my takeaway from
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#249
Mining one's own painful and personal history for its political advantage is not a good thing. NT
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#27
LOL. None of the other candidates ever mention their own stories of struggle, do they?
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#58
It's the seemingly "calculated" part that's the objection as well stated in the OP.
Cha
Jun 2019
#79
But the OP is wrong about the photo. It's been all over the Internet since January,
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#95
No. But he constantly talks about how he's willing to work with the other side.
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#132
Biden was chair of the Judiciary Committee. We needed him to do more than just vote no.
StarfishSaver
Jun 2019
#245
But Harris said she agreed with Biden on working with the other side though
emulatorloo
Jun 2019
#340
But Harris explicitly said to Biden that she agreed with him on working with the other side.
emulatorloo
Jun 2019
#347
Yes it should... Americans by overwhelming poll approval want the 2 sides to work together
Thekaspervote
Jul 2019
#405
It matters HOW you work with the other side. In his eagerness to work with the other side,
pnwmom
Jul 2019
#411
I don't think they will attack rivals in service of their own ambitions, armed with personal
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#353
And you, personally, would never support a candidate who did such a thing, would you?
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#60
He has never used personal pain to bring down another candidate not responsible for it, to advance
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#331
She didn't go after Sanders last night on the issue, even though HE was against busing in the 1970s.
George II
Jun 2019
#6
Unfortunately, some people are going to be considering how this will play nationally.
58Sunliner
Jun 2019
#188
I would bet most won't forget and she doesn't get the nomination. She is not playing to a jury.
58Sunliner
Jun 2019
#207
She indeed has to fair well in the SC primary, right now it doesn't look like it's going her way
Thekaspervote
Jul 2019
#407
Worse and worser. Fine for the courtroom, but not for a candidate who leads America out of
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#36
Why do you keep repeating this? Out there already, but not used in this manipulative context
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#114
Because the whole premise of the OP was that the fact they could quickly tweet out the photo
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#124
No-it was that the exact phrase she used last night was on a t-shirt with the photo,
58Sunliner
Jun 2019
#192
Where was it on her twitter feed? I just looked through her Twitter all day June 27 and 28th
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#212
Sorry, it was picked up by CBS news twitter the night of the debate from her campaign Instagram.
58Sunliner
Jun 2019
#296
I'm sure that he never thought that she would insinuate that he was a racist. Anyone would be taken
Skya Rhen
Jun 2019
#21
Kamala: "I don't believe that you are a racist, but..." In essence, she called him a racist.
Skya Rhen
Jun 2019
#30
You're actually misquoting her. She never said "I don't believe you're a racist, but"
tishaLA
Jun 2019
#40
No putdown. I am a black woman and proud of it. This is why I speak with cred when I say
Skya Rhen
Jun 2019
#178
I'm remind of this quote: "Nothing someone says before the word 'but' really counts"
hlthe2b
Jun 2019
#238
Not in this personal a way, with an entire scene played out, using self-revelation to score points.
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#43
I think a 70-something white career politician would not need to be handled with kid gloves
RockRaven
Jun 2019
#49
It's the tactic. It's the low blow. It's what this says about character. Aside from a killer
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#67
I also respect Buttigieg for his honest answers about Southbend, his having done a tough thing
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#176
Making up nasty names for a candidate's supporters is frowned on around here n/t
emulatorloo
Jun 2019
#351
She benefited from a voluntary busing program that she accused Biden of opposing.
ucrdem
Jun 2019
#19
Never - I know a few neighbors of mine who are convinced that she can win the general. I do not
Skya Rhen
Jun 2019
#56
I felt it. It was effective. But it was wrong to accuse Biden of hurting her. nt
ucrdem
Jun 2019
#104
She even tried to link Joe to the fact that a little white girl was told by her mother not to
Skya Rhen
Jun 2019
#167
Her pain? Gimme a break. She is a highly successful attorney with a tough personality
redstateblues
Jun 2019
#180
Sadly I agree. Hillary has said more than once that Americans are not ready for a woman president
Thekaspervote
Jun 2019
#85
It was faked and the 'I was that girl'...implying Biden hurt her...really disgusting.
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#273
I didn't call her liar...now did I? But you know Sen. Harris did imply in her pre-planned attack
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#342
Your reasoning is sounding like whats going on with abortion and the states
womanofthehills
Jun 2019
#144
I have nothing against preparing for debates. As I said in the OP, I was on debate teams for years.
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#39
I want more than just debate skill, which is partly acting skill and partly logic and rhetoric, from
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#258
I think after 8 years of GWB, then 8 of Obama, then 4 of Trump, it's be nice for
RockRaven
Jun 2019
#25
Not when it is cooked up nonsense... prepared would have been to argue issues...50 year old
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#327
You have to understand why all those candidates are there. Each one wants to WIN!
napi21
Jun 2019
#31
Joe just needs to get his "sea legs" under him. Im sure he'll be better prepared for the next debate
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jul 2019
#429
He also didn't listen to them when they told him not to use his relationship with Eastland
BeyondGeography
Jun 2019
#129
Swalwell was calculating but not cold. Had he suggested that Biden was a racist then he would
Skya Rhen
Jun 2019
#77
Harris and Booker are still making hay as are many posters. And MSM is running a decent man into
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#81
I don't see it as Biden and supporters harping, but the other way round. He is the outstanding
Thekaspervote
Jun 2019
#96
I didn't see her defeating Trump. Biden is chivalrous in an old school way. He is also empathetic
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#90
They should play cold, hard, even dirty with Republicans, Damaging any candidate's reputation
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#201
She won't beat Trump...so we have to hope that Biden can win...I think he can.
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#274
Cold and calculating is not what voters are after. Yes, removing the dotard is top priority
Thekaspervote
Jun 2019
#107
More than anything, this election depends on votes, on an electoral college pathway, on those votes.
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#205
Well, I agree with your post more than mine. No reason debates can't be civil. NT
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#225
Prior to the debate, Biden was polling 50% of the black vote in South Carolina.
hay rick
Jun 2019
#93
If Biden hadn't opened the door last week by mentioning segregationists, this wouldn't have happened
Hoyt
Jun 2019
#94
Yes it would have...the t-shirts and all the other crap show this was planned for a while...
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#324
Yeah, it would have been a lot better if she hadn't prepared and let your guy win, eh?
Wounded Bear
Jun 2019
#97
I wouldn't applaud. I like him because he has shown political skill without sacrificing integrity.
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#123
You are gloating prematurely. She tarnished herself a bit and tipped her hand too early in the game.
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#136
She saw it as an effective debate move... it doesn't seem to be playing well
Thekaspervote
Jun 2019
#141
Not angry at all. She saw what she did as a way to go after her opponent
Thekaspervote
Jun 2019
#146
She used a bid for sympathy for the "little girl" Biden had hurt, emoting righteous indignation
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#157
+1,000,000. It was a very emotional "you hurt me" plea for sympathy, which IS effective
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#181
Last night Kamala Harris gave us a preview of the knockout punch she'll deliver to Donald Trump
mtnsnake
Jun 2019
#162
10 days on DU and in single post to me, a member for 15 years, you manage to accuse me of sexism,
Pachamama
Jun 2019
#242
I like Harris, but I said last night she was relying on yanking peoples chain emotionally.
58Sunliner
Jun 2019
#173
What should bother you about that exchange is that Biden was not prepared for it.
SunSeeker
Jun 2019
#221
He defended his civil rights record forcefully. He corrected Harris on her key points.
ucrdem
Jun 2019
#226
Biden didn't defend states rights and it's just plain lazy to claim that he did. nt
ucrdem
Jun 2019
#229
The point is that the press can call it states rights but Biden didn't and we shouldn't.
ucrdem
Jun 2019
#297
It's not a "lazy characterization." He clearly invoked a states rights argument.
SunSeeker
Jun 2019
#300
Biden QUOTE: "...what I opposed is busing ordered by the Department of Education."
SunSeeker
Jun 2019
#307
Opposing federal mandate in favor of "local decision" is a states rights argument.
SunSeeker
Jul 2019
#415
School districts are part of the local/state govt states rights advocates wanted trumping the feds.
SunSeeker
Jul 2019
#418
If this was planned for months on her part it wouldn't have mattered what his answer was
Thekaspervote
Jun 2019
#379
I like Harris and Biden. The proper thing is to attack Rump's constant racism.
Mc Mike
Jun 2019
#251
As a woman, I find it amusing that you think my opinion here is sexist. I supported
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#266
Please, McConnell is also cold and calculating. This Atlantic article even described him as such...
Skya Rhen
Jun 2019
#269
"Also"? McConnell is evil, and coldly conspired to illegally deprive Obama of a SCOTUS seat.
SunSeeker
Jul 2019
#421
Has anyone asked Senator Harris if she will campaigning on reinstating busing?
emulatorloo
Jun 2019
#345
The Iraq war vote debate thing with him happened Thursday (and will again) It just got lost in the
Celerity
Jun 2019
#316
same here..i even told hubby that now i feel harris will step all over others to get ahead..
samnsara
Jun 2019
#288
It was obviously planned, and at first I was taken aback with what seemed like crocodile tears...
TreasonousBastard
Jun 2019
#293
You honestly think Trump would care if he "hurt" her or that she could shame him? He'd just mug
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#384
That is all too true, but shaming him isn't really the point, since...
TreasonousBastard
Jun 2019
#386
Good point. But her effectiveness to challenge Biden relied in part on discombobulating
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#388
Joe walked straight into a left hook in the main event slugfest, down for the count!
Baclava
Jun 2019
#299
I find it hard to believe that Joe Biden is so sensitive that the other candidates have to make nice
dawg day
Jun 2019
#310
He can't be tough...why she was a 'hurting little girl'...she played it so a gentleman like Biden's
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#333
By saying he hurt her? Trying to make him say sorry to "that little girl?" And how much does
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#383
To compare how biden did against harris and how he will do against dotard is not a good comparison
Thekaspervote
Jul 2019
#400
Too bad Biden wasn't coldly calculating all the attacks that would be coming his way. He was
TeamPooka
Jun 2019
#375
Her story was misleading. She made herself the poster-girl for Federally mandated busing, but
emmaverybo
Jul 2019
#391
Yes. Berkley Ca. for the past 150 years has been a liberal bastion. In fact, it has a
emmaverybo
Jul 2019
#422
The free speech movement was about civil rights, not just saying the F word. Harris's school board
emmaverybo
Jul 2019
#425
As Harris pointed out, Berkeley did not integrate until 2 decades after Brown v. Bd. Of Ed.
SunSeeker
Jul 2019
#428
Gives me a lot to think about. Thanks. More fed money for schools, but people need housing help,
emmaverybo
Jul 2019
#431