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radius777

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61. I agree with the superdelegate changes, caucuses should also be banned.
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 05:00 AM
Mar 2019

The goal for any political party should be to (a) maximize voter participation while preventing vote meddling/ratfucking, thus closed primaries w/early voting are best (b) prevent party leaders (superdelegates) from publicly stating how they intend to vote (c) prevent supers from voting on the first ballot (d) but in the case of deadlock, then the supers should decide the nominee on the second and subsequent ballots instead of unknown party hacks and backroom dealers. (e) the supers should take into account how the first ballot went ie how the voters voted and the overall feel of how the primaries went.

Sanders does have valid beefs against the 2016 nominating process, but he clearly benefited from the highly undemocratic caucus system which has low turnout and is dominated by activists.

He also clearly benefitted from the fact that the media loves to hate Hillary, loves a horserace, and was just aching to build someone up like Sanders.. who did excite an element of the base (the left and youth) but not most of the base which heavily includes party loyalists, moderates, women, PoC, etc.

The issue is that Sanders is not a Democrat, and has always branded himself an Independent, and railed against Dems well before the Clintons came onto the scene and moved the party to the center (saving the party from itself, which had suffered numerous landslides due to the perception of being out of touch w/mainstream voters).

It is not just that Sanders is to the left - he is alt (independent) left, and not a left-liberal in the Dem tradition. Thus, he saw no need to build strong ties within the party, raise money for the party etc over his many years in politics. This means he had no support from party leaders when he needed it. ALL parties (including far left ones that Sanders may be more sympathetic to) work this way, by you know, politicking and building relationships.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
The real danger is if it goes past the first round madville Mar 2019 #1
Exactly customerserviceguy Mar 2019 #3
Sanders will be long gone by then. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #6
Insert whoever you want madville Mar 2019 #9
The Democrats haven't had a brokered convention since the 50s SFnomad Mar 2019 #45
My guess is that if Biden and anyone but Bernie were 1/2 but short of winning the nomination Blue_true Mar 2019 #57
Sanders will never be gone, if history serves. LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #10
2016 was a much different situation. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #12
As long as his followers are chanting his name, he will never stop. I hope I'm wrong, LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #20
Bernie is going to have more money than most madville Mar 2019 #46
Money doesn't equate to votes. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #48
The gathering for Harris of South Carolina sorority women showed the problem for Bernie. Blue_true Mar 2019 #58
Nevada caucuses will be held 11 days after NH and a week before SC. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #59
Thanks. For some reason, I thought that Nevada came after South Carolina. nt Blue_true Mar 2019 #60
He'll stay in Vermont as an Independent. MrsCoffee Mar 2019 #13
I was a pledged Clinton delegate to the national convention Gothmog Mar 2019 #26
The only path to the nomination for Bernie is to win the first round madville Mar 2019 #32
Yes. Keep out the progressive. roody Mar 2019 #35
How will this keep out Warren and Harris? lapucelle Mar 2019 #39
Good question, lapucelle. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #52
+1000! mcar Mar 2019 #53
Sanders didn't invent progressivism and he's not the only progressive candidate emulatorloo Mar 2019 #40
There's more than one progressive candidate in the race. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #51
not necessarily a mess floppyboo Mar 2019 #55
I just have to point out there's been some revisionist history regarding media coverage. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #2
Excellent post. Completely agree. Hortensis Mar 2019 #5
I didn't say he lost because of SDs... TCJ70 Mar 2019 #7
Claims have been made and would, in response to your OP, be made again that... Garrett78 Mar 2019 #8
Super delegates had nothing to do with sanders losing in 2016 Gothmog Mar 2019 #30
I DIDN'T SAY THEY DID. Not sure how many times I have to repeat that... TCJ70 Mar 2019 #31
Wow LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #11
There are many that report it as a tie in NH and as Hillary increasing her lead due to Super D's CentralMass Mar 2019 #14
I just Googled "MSNBC 2016 New Hampshire primary" and here's the first article I found: Garrett78 Mar 2019 #15
Here are a few from my google . CentralMass Mar 2019 #16
See my last post. I addressed the fact that there was talk of superdelegates, as there always is. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #17
To my point click on that first link. CentralMass Mar 2019 #19
I support the members of the CBC Gothmog Mar 2019 #25
If the Republicans had a superdelegate system, Trump would not be president LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #21
Rep. Cedric Richmond, the Congressional Black Caucus chair, blasts proposed superdelegate changes Gothmog Mar 2019 #24
Bingo. Facts trump wishes. MineralMan Mar 2019 #34
I saw this close up Gothmog Mar 2019 #37
I remember it well. MineralMan Mar 2019 #38
Good post. emulatorloo Mar 2019 #41
A minor improvement, but don't think it'll matter squat. Hortensis Mar 2019 #4
I'm Not Me. Mar 2019 #18
+1 LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #22
If the criticism is accurate... TCJ70 Mar 2019 #29
That's Just It Me. Mar 2019 #33
I disagree-I stand with the CBC on this issue Gothmog Mar 2019 #23
Absolutely Agree Me. Mar 2019 #43
Eliminating Super delegates will not help sanders but will help Harris Gothmog Mar 2019 #27
I didn't say that it will help him... TCJ70 Mar 2019 #28
I strongly disagree Gothmog Mar 2019 #36
Precisely Me. Mar 2019 #42
The elimination of undermocratic caususes is a great move Gothmog Mar 2019 #63
Get This Me. Mar 2019 #64
Your experience as a delegate has nothing to do... TCJ70 Mar 2019 #50
The reason you give for the change of the super delegate system is wrong Gothmog Mar 2019 #62
Super-delegates were not eliminated madville Mar 2019 #56
Dunno, the most "inaccurate" thing I saw last time was misrepresented Open Secrets data emulatorloo Mar 2019 #44
I am also glad. No more misleading predictions. floppyboo Mar 2019 #47
I don't get people denying it happened... TCJ70 Mar 2019 #49
Maybe they just read the subject line? floppyboo Mar 2019 #54
I agree with the superdelegate changes, caucuses should also be banned. radius777 Mar 2019 #61
I am glad that there will be fewer caucuses in 2020 Gothmog May 2019 #65
Man, you really dug this up. And yeah, that's also a good change. N/t TCJ70 May 2019 #66
Super delegates may be in play at the convention Gothmog May 2019 #67
Democratic Candidates Are Preparing For A Contested 2020 Convention -- By Courting Superdelegates Gothmog May 2019 #68
You can stop... TCJ70 May 2019 #69
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