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136. Nobody was forced to make a big deal of it
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 12:22 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Yup.. As I've been repeatedly saying CONTEXT is everything. Such "issue mining" may backfire on all. hlthe2b Jun 2019 #1
It's tempting for candidates and their supporters to use things like that MineralMan Jun 2019 #6
K and r. cwydro Jun 2019 #2
Agreed Bayard Jun 2019 #3
I don't particularly like the circular firing squad analogy, but MineralMan Jun 2019 #8
... Duppers Jun 2019 #41
So you think republicans won't or have not done that research on their own Perseus Jun 2019 #77
I highly doubt Republicans will bring up being opposed to busing...it is worse coming from our Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #88
The problem is the vain attempt to explain the context. marylandblue Jun 2019 #4
So it would be fair if Harris treestar Jun 2019 #10
First of all, Fuck your feelings doesn't apply when it's in their interest. marylandblue Jun 2019 #26
I personally think Harris should face this too and Warren also. Hell all of our candidates...it Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #89
That's good, because that has nothing to do with my point. marylandblue Jun 2019 #96
He is the only one who can attract rustbelt voters...Trump takes Mi, WI and PA, he wins...that is a Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #102
Well, if you only believe in one nominee, what else could you think? marylandblue Jun 2019 #107
I believe in winning...if there was another nominee with a better chance, I would support him/her. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #109
Excellent response, I agree. saidsimplesimon Jun 2019 #128
Yes how come any supporter of anyone else treestar Jun 2019 #125
Prove any of the others can win treestar Jun 2019 #124
I've checked my crystal ball, and it proves that any of the following could win marylandblue Jun 2019 #148
The whole point of campaigning is to try to win treestar Jun 2019 #151
Other candidates have certainly made cases for themselves. marylandblue Jun 2019 #160
Not much there treestar Jun 2019 #162
Oh brother, have you been even watching the campaigns? marylandblue Jun 2019 #166
Obama didn't support marriage equality. ChiTownDenny Jun 2019 #39
actually Obama did support it but changed his position when he ran for president JI7 Jun 2019 #56
Well, that's totally different, then. ChiTownDenny Jun 2019 #68
No he didn't. He supported civil unions...Biden pushed for marriage. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #90
Plus, Trump has taught us that this stuff doesn't matter moose65 Jun 2019 #42
Yes, Warren does have a good story, and I don't hold her earlier MineralMan Jun 2019 #12
Agree completely. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #5
Wapo headline, 'Rivals attack Biden, with Harris leading the way on race issues', 6-28 empedocles Jun 2019 #7
Actually, it's not useful for those individuals, either. MineralMan Jun 2019 #9
As a VP nominee, Harris' negatives would be heavily used against the Dems, by rw media. empedocles Jun 2019 #14
Everyone's negatives will be used by the Republicans. MineralMan Jun 2019 #15
trump's 20% base will not be moved. The 80%, trump's next 20%, has spots for picking imo. Various empedocles Jun 2019 #19
Yes, exactly. We need some of those voters to pad our results MineralMan Jun 2019 #23
The larger the winning Dem margins the greater the repeal of trump disasters. empedocles Jun 2019 #38
I used to think she would be a great VP, but not after that cheap shot at Biden. colorado_ufo Jun 2019 #43
I don't think Dems cheering on these attacks do so with an eye to what's good for the party emmaverybo Jun 2019 #36
Good post. Support everything you said. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #11
Thank you! MineralMan Jun 2019 #13
When a candidate has nothing of themselves to offer and they resort democratisphere Jun 2019 #16
If Biden had of fixed the "boy" comments and apologized instead being defensive Indygram Jun 2019 #17
I think you are incorrect in that. MineralMan Jun 2019 #25
She had this planned before that...she was going to use it all along...but I see no reason why Biden Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #91
For the love of dog please treestar Jun 2019 #126
Agree, no candidate will be above reproach FloridaBlues Jun 2019 #18
Yup. I guarantee that every candidate has mistakes and things in MineralMan Jun 2019 #21
And because of Kamala's cheap shot, she has a target on her back unfortunately. wyldwolf Jun 2019 #20
Well, what happened happened. It can't be reversed. MineralMan Jun 2019 #22
It can be contained, though wyldwolf Jun 2019 #28
I would call for that and for Booker to admit to the context in which Biden used the word "boy," emmaverybo Jun 2019 #45
True but after seeing her on Thursday...really doubt such a statement is coming. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #92
Yeah, Glass Houses and Shite. Cha Jun 2019 #24
You'd think everyone would know that already. MineralMan Jun 2019 #27
That's exactly right, Cha peggysue2 Jun 2019 #65
I don't think Biden is going Cha Jun 2019 #100
right Cha treestar Jun 2019 #127
Aloha, treestar! Cha Jun 2019 #169
Good post ... RHMerriman Jun 2019 #29
More likely the gaffes and Pathetic excuses will continue. n/t MarcA Jun 2019 #76
Patheic? RHMerriman Jun 2019 #82
Oh I don't know...perhaps you are being to hard on ...Harris. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #93
Oh, I know...I supported the free coinage of silver back in 1896... First Speaker Jun 2019 #30
Biden "went back decades" to talk about working with Eastland StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #31
Sorry, Joe bought this on himself. He's the one who originated... brush Jun 2019 #32
He did not work with them during the era in which they became well known and virulent emmaverybo Jun 2019 #50
"...a vote for segregation and against civil rights?" No one said that but you. brush Jun 2019 #57
Fair enough. I am referring to conflating a vote against federally forced busing with segregationist emmaverybo Jun 2019 #60
Biden isn't mischaracterizing himself. The detractors are. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #54
The problem is they are his words. He bought up working with segregationists 40 years ago; brush Jun 2019 #58
That is your summary and opinion LakeArenal Jun 2019 #61
Fair enough, but no more forty-year-old stories about segregationists, pls. brush Jun 2019 #64
Once again, your opinion. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #103
Harris is not the only African American offended by his recollection. He was panned... brush Jun 2019 #115
I heard here on DU he went up points. 🤷🏼‍♀️ LakeArenal Jun 2019 #117
I dunno, I have a feeling that maybe no matter what he says treestar Jun 2019 #131
It's worse than you think. Biden just said at an LGBTQ event... brush Jun 2019 #139
That was also my take on the situation. pazzyanne Jun 2019 #66
And Joe should know better than to bring up segregationists and the "boy" remark. brush Jun 2019 #116
I'm still with LakeArenal's post! pazzyanne Jun 2019 #120
It's also unforced error to make a really big deal of it treestar Jun 2019 #130
It's called politics, not bean bags. brush Jun 2019 #135
and people are sick of it treestar Jun 2019 #141
Really good post! ooky Jun 2019 #33
I want a tough as nails candidate to be our nominee watoos Jun 2019 #34
Its because it is an old issue, and she pulled the race card, like WAY early. colorado_ufo Jun 2019 #46
No it was a cheap shot FakeNoose Jun 2019 #62
Here is my take on that incident and your response. pazzyanne Jun 2019 #67
I never thought I would say this before Wednesday, but that person is Bill de Blasio Perseus Jun 2019 #81
I sort of saw a vulnerable child...exposed not tough as nails...she was that little girl after all. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #94
I'm amazed at the idea that this particular incident treestar Jun 2019 #134
Biden - National Treasure marieo1 Jun 2019 #35
Your guy dug this issue up all by himself. Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #37
At this point, aren't they all "our" guys? pazzyanne Jun 2019 #71
If you have selected one of the candidates Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #111
My selecting a candidate does not mean I am not interested in learning pazzyanne Jun 2019 #113
Exactly. And will continue to do. MarcA Jun 2019 #79
Nobody was forced to make a big deal of it treestar Jun 2019 #136
EXACTLY!!! Duppers Jun 2019 #40
Joe Biden went back decades and brought up the issue. CentralMass Jun 2019 #44
Hmmm. pazzyanne Jun 2019 #73
My point being that if this is being percieved as a wound, it is a self inflicted one. CentralMass Jun 2019 #97
Agree! I see the mayor of Atlanta came out the next day in support of Biden Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #47
Yes. colorado_ufo Jun 2019 #48
Its the response wsbradshaw Jun 2019 #49
If you were a sitting Senator and you had a bill you were trying... friend of m and j Jun 2019 #63
Its all over the internet wsbradshaw Jun 2019 #78
He opposed busing...so what...From what my Mom told me most did...you Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #95
I had hoped this would be a civil discussion without unnuendos or implying that.. friend of m and j Jun 2019 #122
His main point was how much worse it has gotten treestar Jun 2019 #142
Warren was a Republican, we could easily do this to her treestar Jun 2019 #138
Was Biden actually 2 votes short on his anti-busing bill or are you delisen Jun 2019 #106
Delisen, My hypothetical really was not intended to .. friend of m and j Jun 2019 #121
Oh, please. Really? treestar Jun 2019 #137
I wonder if maybe having things come out now will make the issues obsolete in the future- dawg day Jun 2019 #51
Right wsbradshaw Jun 2019 #83
True, though the Orange Horror will in most cases treestar Jun 2019 #146
That really was funny in a horrible way, that Trump doesn't even know what 'busing' refers to- dawg day Jun 2019 #167
Well, there is that issue of Trump previously being registered as a Democrat. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2019 #52
This is a current issue loyalsister Jun 2019 #53
Yes, racism is a current issue. One we should be attacking Republican policies and their ooky Jun 2019 #59
The bigotry that drove the most vocal opponents loyalsister Jun 2019 #84
That's exactly what's going to happen in the general. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #55
Attacking a good Democrat and a Vice president...deliberately taking his words out of Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #98
I don't see it as an attack. He brought it up gldstwmn Jun 2019 #118
Strongly disagree Bucky Jun 2019 #69
Misses The Point DallasNE Jun 2019 #70
The Crap I done 45 years ago (never went to Jail) I couldn't run for dog-catcher. I'm not the same demosincebirth Jun 2019 #72
Good try, but what Biden is facing today is not only things he did in the past but things Perseus Jun 2019 #74
Enjoy today because I really think after being out and about today that Biden will weather this Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #99
Biden is playing to third party 2016 tRump KPN Jun 2019 #75
Sorry, but this incident says a lot more about Biden not bothering to prepare stopbush Jun 2019 #80
Everyone has a history that can be exploited... and I will take VP Biden any day over some of the Peacetrain Jun 2019 #85
So are you saying that... UncleTomsEvilBrother Jun 2019 #86
A candidate running on a decades-long record should expect opponents to "go back" decades to check o StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #87
"We" nothing. shanny Jun 2019 #101
She had it planned a long time ago...there is a post right here on it...so it was a hit job. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #105
lol shanny Jun 2019 #114
"Food fight vs. food on the table". Kamala cleverly cleared the decks oasis Jun 2019 #104
Yes, noted. Grasswire2 Jun 2019 #145
I don't like the idea of anyone wounding our best chance oasis Jun 2019 #158
agree nt Grasswire2 Jun 2019 #165
Make that remark and then start a food fight treestar Jun 2019 #149
When a candidate can't win on their own merits and then resorts to oasis Jun 2019 #161
But sooo many here demanded hard vetting of others and now they are getting it. aikoaiko Jun 2019 #108
See that is where you are wrong...I never wanted hard vetting during a primary for Democrats... Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #110
I vaguely remember you being pretty harsh on Bernie as a candidate. aikoaiko Jun 2019 #112
Exactly! nt Raine Jun 2019 #119
You can't take the prosecutor out of the presidential candidate. McCamy Taylor Jun 2019 #123
No. Someone just has to go back a couple of weeks. n/t Politicub Jun 2019 #129
Flinging poo leaves you with dirty, smelly fingers. MineralMan Jun 2019 #133
People need to defend themselves and their communities at times. And Biden supporters Politicub Jun 2019 #144
Agree completely, MineralMan lanlady Jun 2019 #132
Mandatory busing ended a long time ago, too, because MineralMan Jun 2019 #140
Yes, why are our Dems doing the oppo research on each other for the benefit of Republicans????? Grasswire2 Jun 2019 #143
Desperation. That's why. MineralMan Jun 2019 #150
But it's a failing transparent strategy, ultimately. Grasswire2 Jun 2019 #152
You're right about that. It's weak sauce, really, when MineralMan Jun 2019 #154
Well, she did get a buzz from the media. Grasswire2 Jun 2019 #156
She got a temporary bounce, which has already disappeared, MineralMan Jun 2019 #157
Democratic goals not personal egos Dickbaker Jun 2019 #147
Dems run the risk of having a low AA voter turnout if oasis Jun 2019 #168
Biden supporters are on the defensive. They need to realize that Joe put himself stopbush Jun 2019 #153
Not really. We will defend Biden, of course, MineralMan Jun 2019 #155
It's usually the Rs who are warning the Ds that doing something politically savvy stopbush Jun 2019 #163
They Are Dogged colsohlibgal Jun 2019 #164
I understand your point and bias may color my opinion, but: I don't think what Harris did was about Chemisse Jun 2019 #159
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