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Act_of_Reparation

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77. I'm having some difficulty with this train of thought.

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 10:13 AM

Jul 2019

You're saying we need to run a centrist to win Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, but we ran a centrist in 2016 and lost Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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I don't agree that Biden is the most electable Democrat [View all] Goodheart Jul 2019 OP

I know what you mean rusty quoin Jul 2019 #1

People, People, People DENVERPOPS Jul 2019 #40

It's just like always for decades. We have to come out in overwhelming numbers. rusty quoin Jul 2019 #44

Well aren't you a ray of sunshine? Politicub Jul 2019 #76

Nonsense. MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #103

I feel the same IcyPeas Jul 2019 #2

Quite critical of Biden right now; but if he still is best bet to beat trump in March, Hoyt Jul 2019 #3

Of course, if after a few primaries Biden builds a delegate lead Goodheart Jul 2019 #7

I've never thought that Biden was electable for POTUS Chitown Kev Jul 2019 #4

Polls show him completely slaughtering Trump bearsfootball516 Jul 2019 #54

oh he's electable qazplm135 Jul 2019 #92

And you'll provide objective evidence supporting that "thought", yes? LanternWaste Jul 2019 #96

But you think Harris can win MI, Wi and PA...maybe FL...really. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #109

Different people are excited by different attributes. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #5

Personally I never found Joe Biden PatSeg Jul 2019 #10

the thought of any of the democratic candidates winning in November 2020 and getting rid of Trump JI7 Jul 2019 #50

Me too. I'm not looking for a rock star, I want someone who can beat Trump. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #74

This is not a base election...oh sure we need to turn out but this election will be won in Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #59

MFA, busing, reparations, Green Energy program, cancel student debt, healthcare all undocumented, emmaverybo Jul 2019 #105

Exactly right...get the presidency and then work on issues...run on the popular ones and try to Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #108

1,000,000,000,000 X's Agree. eilen Jul 2019 #132

Must be a sincere effort towards greater income equality, social justice, help for young people emmaverybo Jul 2019 #136

it would be exciting to have a sane president at all!! The Mouth Jul 2019 #91

Why do people constantly feel the need to mention they like Biden before they criticize him? BlueStater Jul 2019 #6

So we don't get attacked here? LOL. Goodheart Jul 2019 #8

Biden is being shoved down our throats big time. gldstwmn Jul 2019 #32

I agree that Biden is being pushed. potone Jul 2019 #49

Been Tired of the Pushing.... LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #79

I would say Harris is being shoved down our throats by the media and supporters. I do not believe Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #61

I agree, the same thought crossed my mind. Harris is being shoved down our throats katmondoo Jul 2019 #73

I agree and for the record. I have always like Warren and still do. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #75

+1 treestar Jul 2019 #85

She certainly was for her debate actions! treestar Jul 2019 #83

Agreed. There's a gang here that alerts on anyone critical of Saint Joe. backscatter712 Jul 2019 #66

Sounds a bit like.... LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #81

+1 Celerity Jul 2019 #98

That's campaigning, that's life treestar Jul 2019 #82

You obviously don't watch MSNBC. They are shoving Harris down our throats 24-7 redstateblues Jul 2019 #131

+1 obamanut2012 Jul 2019 #68

I too pretend oppression when I hold a minority opinion. LanternWaste Jul 2019 #97

Yup. That's the Soviet way. gldstwmn Jul 2019 #107

Because most people are quite aware that Joe is greatly loved and respected by others. Skya Rhen Jul 2019 #9

Probably because they know they'll get jumped on when they criticize Biden. n/t pnwmom Jul 2019 #11

I know most people here just come right out and hate Sanders from the get go. CentralMass Jul 2019 #12

Naw. I used to like him jberryhill Jul 2019 #15

Apparently it's contagious. . CentralMass Jul 2019 #20

Or consequential. MrsCoffee Jul 2019 #71

You must not remember the 'I like Bernie, but...' phenomena of the past couple years. aidbo Jul 2019 #19

That's funny BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #51

Because he is a good and likeable man MBS Jul 2019 #56

afraid of being hidden by the jury. nt RandiFan1290 Jul 2019 #60

This. And Skinner and the Mods let it happen. n/t MarcA Jul 2019 #123

That is itself might prove he is electable treestar Jul 2019 #84

He never was and is questionable now. Kind of Blue Jul 2019 #13

Joe is an excellent candidate and human being. IluvPitties Jul 2019 #14

Biden has already run for the nomination twice Chitown Kev Jul 2019 #21

His record as a public servant speaks for itself. IluvPitties Jul 2019 #64

Let me be clear...I don't dislike Joe Biden Chitown Kev Jul 2019 #112

I preface my comment by saying watoos Jul 2019 #16

I feel exact same way. He is much less exciting than Hillary was AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #17

In the GE he is, absolutely, no question. ucrdem Jul 2019 #18

You and a minority of others. Mme. Defarge Jul 2019 #22

Exactly. A minority view, according to the polls. highplainsdem Jul 2019 #27

It has nothing to do with liking or disliking him or finding him exciting or dull. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2019 #23

That crossed my mind too until he got mad. Then he delivered a right hook she didn't see coming ucrdem Jul 2019 #24

Not necessarily. Obama had a dismal first debate against Romney. I don't think highplainsdem Jul 2019 #26

A better sports analogy...or one that I have been using, in any event Chitown Kev Jul 2019 #48

I loved all those guys too True Dough Jul 2019 #63

The athletes I cited were ghosts of their former selves. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2019 #90

that was just one debate treestar Jul 2019 #87

far from just the debate buttressing that poster's positings Celerity Jul 2019 #101

until he proves otherwise, those would be valid comparisons IMHO nt Celerity Jul 2019 #99

He like they became ghosts of themselves. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2019 #100

His performance with Cuomo on CNN was essentially brilliant. gulliver Jul 2019 #139

Fact:Biden in his last two POTUS runs.... LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #25

these are different times, and at least right now the polls do not reflect the op comments Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #28

Both.... LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #41

Did it occur to you that the fact he's been the frontrunner for months during THIS run shows how highplainsdem Jul 2019 #30

One reason he's been the frontrunner for months is he has the highest name ID, followed by Sanders. PunkinPi Jul 2019 #58

The only way the other side can steal is if it's close. gldstwmn Jul 2019 #29

If we convince them the candidate is electable, they'll come. Every single poll I've seen that highplainsdem Jul 2019 #31

Mmmmhmmm... gldstwmn Jul 2019 #34

If you don't believe me, I suggest you go back through the polls that have been posted here. The highplainsdem Jul 2019 #38

Do you really want me to go back through the polls? gldstwmn Jul 2019 #39

No, the polls show what I said they did, over a period of months. We're a long way from any highplainsdem Jul 2019 #42

Only Joe can win the swing states and he will be our next President - facts support this. Skya Rhen Jul 2019 #43

You don't rebut then what what the polls show mentioned in the post you are responding to? NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #113

+1000. Kind of Blue Jul 2019 #37

If Joe is to be our nominee he needs to up his game a bit. comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #33

Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democratic Party has available Gothmog Jul 2019 #35

That's Joe's best talking point, watoos Jul 2019 #53

Joe Biden is the only Democratic candidate with a wide lead over President Trump Gothmog Jul 2019 #125

Sorry, heart-felt personal opinions add little to the dialogue-especially when they are 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #36

+1000 Skya Rhen Jul 2019 #45

It's very early, but I'm still making a prediction of an election. rusty quoin Jul 2019 #46

I don't see either of them winning a general in the states we need...sure I vote for whoever emerges Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #62

I would like to know what evidence you base that judgement on eilen Jul 2019 #133

How about the Senate map? How about the midterms...we can't even get 51 votes in the Senate in 20... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #134

Great Prediction... LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #86

New polls show Biden beating Trump...and not Warren or Harris. As I want Trump gone as do most Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #135

Every single poll out there shows Biden leading all the other candidates in head-to-head Skya Rhen Jul 2019 #137

let's go Joe ! stonecutter357 Jul 2019 #47

wait. what? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #52

CNN interview w/Joe on Friday, June 5th. nt oasis Jul 2019 #55

Not a Good sign.... LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #88

I've got a hunch Joe will do himself a lot of good. oasis Jul 2019 #102

No we need to win three states...MI, WI and PA...excitement might be feel good... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #57

I'm having some difficulty with this train of thought. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #77

She was despised because of NAFTA first of all...and we barely lost Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #89

despised because of NAFTA?!? jcgoldie Jul 2019 #110

Her husband was president so she was blamed more than Biden...and Biden redeemed himself after Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #111

Contrary to what she said, and borne out by fact, she was a major cheerleader for NAFTA. Nt emmaverybo Jul 2019 #114

Oh a cheerleader! jcgoldie Jul 2019 #120

Biden also supported NAFTA but regretted it and his votes are almost perfect years later. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #122

bullshit jcgoldie Jul 2019 #119

Yes it did...but we can agree to disagree that and the attacks from the right and th left. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #121

As long as Dems do not acknowledge Russia's role in 2016, and want to delisen Jul 2019 #93

Yeah, I think it's slightly more complicated than that. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #95

New Washington Post/ABC Poll ** Biden 29%, Sanders 23%, Harris 11%, Warren 11% Skya Rhen Jul 2019 #65

Thanks for posting this. NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #115

Me either -- I actually think it's Warren, and I didn't think that until recently obamanut2012 Jul 2019 #67

IMO he's the most unelectable Democrat we have running. Autumn Jul 2019 #69

You are spot on that hate and fear are great motivators. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #70

Seriously Goodheart.. I will pass on excitement and entertaining Peacetrain Jul 2019 #72

He's Not..... LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #78

No one else is, either treestar Jul 2019 #80

Exciting, really? peggysue2 Jul 2019 #94

👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 emmaverybo Jul 2019 #116

He looks totally old to me. Very beige and frail. sweetroxie Jul 2019 #104

Beige? Do you think his beige-privilege will be an issue or that he should get a fake tan? Agree emmaverybo Jul 2019 #118

Plenty of Dems thought Gore was electable in 2000 IronLionZion Jul 2019 #106

And he was. Rigged balloting. Voter suppression. Stolen election. NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #117

he was, it was stolen from him.too bad the so called green party didn't think the environment JI7 Jul 2019 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #126

Joe Biden Is The Only Democrat With A Clear Advantage Over Trump In New Poll Gothmog Jul 2019 #127

No question. Harris, good grief. ucrdem Jul 2019 #138

American electorate disagrees with you. NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #128

Back in 2008 I said over and over America wouldn't elect a black president doc03 Jul 2019 #129

I like Mayor Pete but honestly, Mayor Pete has 0% of African Americans in SC redstateblues Jul 2019 #130

Biden is out polling the other democrats Gothmog Jul 2019 #140