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47. I don't need to prove shit to you
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 11:12 AM
Aug 2019

...you know this is a smear.

A smear fail.

All in defense of a politician who couldn't decide for decades whether to defend homosexuality, or stand with his church in opposition to it.

In 1993, as a United States Senator, Biden voted in favor of 10 U.S.C. §654, a section of a broader federally mandated policy that deemed homosexuality incompatible with military life thereby banning gay Americans from serving in the United States armed forces in any capacity without exception. The law was subsequently modified by President Clinton through the issuance of DOD Directive 1304.26 (subsequently nicknamed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" or DADT) which accommodated "closeted" service to the extent that a servicemember's homosexual sexual orientation was neither discovered nor disclosed. The ban was held unconstitutional in Log Cabin Republicans v. United States for violation of First and Fifth Amendment rights. The Obama Administration, in accordance with President Obama's unfavorable view of the law, pushed a legislative repeal of 10 U.S.C. §654 on December 15, 2010.

In 1996, Biden voted in favor of the Defense of Marriage Act (1 U.S.C. §7) which prohibited the federal government from recognizing any same-sex marriage, barring individuals in such marriages from equal protection under federal law, and allowing states to do the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Joe_Biden#LGBTQ_issues

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
If you are going to campaign at a church Loki Liesmith Aug 2019 #1
not Jeremiah Wright. he was pro lgbt rights JI7 Aug 2019 #12
Those aren't the same thing Loki Liesmith Aug 2019 #86
If this preacher were white they would not have gone there. Candidates need to stop CurtEastPoint Aug 2019 #2
+1 demmiblue Aug 2019 #5
Yes... All candidates need to stop pandering, but that won't happen, so at least hire staff hlthe2b Aug 2019 #6
Yes, that was a huge faux pas by their staffs (stavs?) in not even Googling Rev. Asshole. CurtEastPoint Aug 2019 #7
Or maybe they decided the risk was worth the payoff in AA votes in NV to get to 15% Princetonian Aug 2019 #13
Joe Biden ever visit a church and associate with priests who believes homosexuality is a sin? bigtree Aug 2019 #20
You tell me. Rev. Fowler is doing alot of damage to LGBTQ youth in his congregation with his views. Princetonian Aug 2019 #44
as opposed to the well-known homophobic Catholic church? bigtree Aug 2019 #54
Apple to apple would be if Joe was standing next to Harris embracing Rev. Fowler. Princetonian Aug 2019 #66
Biden's Catholic, isn't he?... SidDithers Aug 2019 #61
Yes. And as with many liberal Catholics in America, he does not follow all the dictates issued emmaverybo Aug 2019 #80
Sure, go with that... SidDithers Aug 2019 #81
He, as did Edward Kennedy, does not believe he should impose his personal religious belief on emmaverybo Aug 2019 #84
I went with this, emmaverybo.. Cha Aug 2019 #103
Biden's Early Support for Same-Sex Marriage Still Remembered for Impact Cha Aug 2019 #101
Excellent response, Cha! Let no one forget Biden's support for same-sex marriage. NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #119
They should be Thanking Biden since Cha Aug 2019 #121
And Mahalo back at you, Cha. Always cheered by your posts and your little crew there. emmaverybo Aug 2019 #129
lol@ ".. my little crew there.. "! Cha Aug 2019 #130
WHATABOUT! WHATABOUT! WHATABOUT! Cha Aug 2019 #98
Ha ha. You got it, Cha! NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #120
The Whatabout Biden is a big fail. Cha Aug 2019 #122
It's nothing new. demmiblue Aug 2019 #23
For a group of people, Staff is always Staffs in the plural. Blue_true Aug 2019 #128
Should have indicated I was joking but... CurtEastPoint Aug 2019 #131
Yeah, good idea, I can be humorless at times. nt Blue_true Aug 2019 #132
In this case, the plural of "staff" is also "staff," Curt... Glorfindel Aug 2019 #135
SHRIMP! LOL! CurtEastPoint Aug 2019 #137
That is one large photo of Harris happily embracing virulent homophobe Rev. Robert E. Fowler. Princetonian Aug 2019 #3
sad to see this CurtEastPoint Aug 2019 #8
I feel repulsed. Princetonian Aug 2019 #11
stay strong bigtree Aug 2019 #26
So? Is he campaigning for Vatican votes? Princetonian Aug 2019 #36
He may have 'evolved'....again. n/t zackymilly Aug 2019 #56
Anything for votes FiveGoodMen Aug 2019 #79
Guilt by association, no?... Kahuna7 Aug 2019 #16
It says alot. Princetonian Aug 2019 #24
hypocritical bigtree Aug 2019 #28
Ha ha. Not according to THIS!!! Kahuna7 Aug 2019 #29
The Pope is not a virulent homophobe: "God Made You This Way,' Pope Is Said to Have Told Gay Man" Princetonian Aug 2019 #31
she held back documents to protect identities of victims from attorneys and news reporters bigtree Aug 2019 #37
Then how come her predecessors cooperated with survivors? A lawyer for clergy abuse victims says... Princetonian Aug 2019 #41
Becerra gave them lip service bigtree Aug 2019 #46
Says you. Not according to clergy abuse victims and their lawyers... Princetonian Aug 2019 #48
Yep, This is definitely something she will need to address. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #60
Can you imagine if these clergy abuse survivors and their lawyers were to hold a news conference? Princetonian Aug 2019 #143
I would imagine the bitterness and anger would be awful...some have comitted suicide. Justice needs Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #145
I had an OP on this...and that is just not true...previous DA's had released the information for Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #59
Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #76
What is "alot"? mobeau69 Aug 2019 #78
yeah bigtree Aug 2019 #22
"Pope Francis says transsexuals and gay people should be embraced by the Catholic Church" (10/4/16) Princetonian Aug 2019 #25
yeah, he's a peach bigtree Aug 2019 #30
He's a damned sight better than Rev. Fowler. For Pope Francis' personal beliefs, see Reply #31. Princetonian Aug 2019 #38
well, you cling to that. bigtree Aug 2019 #40
And, you "cling" to what you're trying to do, bigtree. Cha Aug 2019 #114
What about Pope Benedict and John Paul II? You know, the ones in the pictures. aidbo Aug 2019 #45
So? Was Joe running for President then? Princetonian Aug 2019 #50
No, but in one of them he was the Vice President at the time. aidbo Aug 2019 #57
The Vice President was sent by the President on official business not campaigning for President. Princetonian Aug 2019 #63
I was just pointing out that you weren't comparing apples to apples. aidbo Aug 2019 #69
Wrong. Princetonian Aug 2019 #71
Lol. You too aidbo Aug 2019 #73
Nope. Princetonian Aug 2019 #74
Well, that's uncomfortable...nt SidDithers Aug 2019 #82
Really disappointing. demmiblue Aug 2019 #4
A Baptist church. Of course a preacher in a place like that believes that nonsense. Autumn Aug 2019 #9
Which leads me to ask who are they pandering to-LGBTQ or blacks? 58Sunliner Aug 2019 #10
+1 n/t FreeState Aug 2019 #142
Anti-gay bigotry from the pulpit affects children at their core. Politicub Aug 2019 #14
+1,000. Not to mention crimes against LGBTQ. 58Sunliner Aug 2019 #144
was it a Catholic church? bigtree Aug 2019 #15
Baptist church. nt Autumn Aug 2019 #17
Joe Biden Is a Practicing Catholic bigtree Aug 2019 #18
Take it to the bank. They are churches and it's in their books. Autumn Aug 2019 #21
What books? lapucelle Aug 2019 #35
They find it in their holy books, that's where they find all that intrinsic moral evil stuff . nt Autumn Aug 2019 #64
Catholics don't find the idea that homosexuality is a sin in their "holy books". lapucelle Aug 2019 #88
Seriously. Read what you post. Autumn Aug 2019 #89
I'm "not doing Joe's religion any favors" by correcting a mistaken and facile characterization lapucelle Aug 2019 #100
Lulzd. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #104
I recommend that you do some research before you "lulzd". George II Aug 2019 #110
What are you "lulzd" about, Voltaire?! Cha Aug 2019 #133
So you are saying that Biden's priest is a virulent homophobe who feels as Rev. Fowler does? Princetonian Aug 2019 #34
ask them about their views on homosexuality bigtree Aug 2019 #39
No, you made the claim, you prove it. Princetonian Aug 2019 #42
I don't need to prove shit to you bigtree Aug 2019 #47
Tsk, tsk! If you make a claim, do not expect me to "ask" if it is true. You have to prove it. Princetonian Aug 2019 #51
I think many people would be surprised. George II Aug 2019 #117
Biden's church is officially homophobic Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #97
See Replies #80 and #84 and #91. The Pope's personal beliefs are revealed in Reply #31. Princetonian Aug 2019 #99
Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #102
Wrong. "God Made You This Way,' Pope Is Said to Have Told Gay Man" (New York Times, 5/21/18) Princetonian Aug 2019 #106
Neither of your conclusions is true. George II Aug 2019 #123
No it isn't.. you're Wrong, Voltaire. Cha Aug 2019 #126
"Do the priests at those churches believe 'Homosexuality is a sin'?" So glad you asked! Nope. lapucelle Aug 2019 #90
Catholics do not believe that homosexuality is a sin. lapucelle Aug 2019 #91
Catholic Church.. "having a homosexual orientation itself is not a sin." Cha Aug 2019 #108
Thank you for that. lapucelle Aug 2019 #115
Their "WHATABOUT" failed. Cha Aug 2019 #116
A distinction without a difference 2020Junker Aug 2019 #125
Correcting misinformation about any belief system is exactly what we should all be doing. lapucelle Aug 2019 #140
Thank you StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #113
Biden supporters shoudn't get so cocky over this pandering SharonClark Aug 2019 #19
Hopefully this article will spur all of the campaigns to do a better job at Jose Garcia Aug 2019 #27
Still, rules are rules. People in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones. nt Kahuna7 Aug 2019 #32
Biden is also a practicing Catholic obamanut2012 Aug 2019 #83
Yes. In response... Princetonian Aug 2019 #87
That's right! Cha Aug 2019 #107
Hey! I'm not "cocky", Sharon. Cha Aug 2019 #105
"you don't pay your tithes" lapfog_1 Aug 2019 #33
Yeah, that popped out at me. demmiblue Aug 2019 #49
This is going to happen, especially in Southern Baptist churches 2020Junker Aug 2019 #43
Well said, +2 ... and boy u gotta love waking up to our good ol' circular firing squad (nt) mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #52
Joe Biden supporters wake up to that every morning ever since the first debate. Princetonian Aug 2019 #53
every candidate (except Gabbard), including Joe Biden, has moved on from the debate bigtree Aug 2019 #55
So? I don't see any shortage of OPs attacking Joe. Princetonian Aug 2019 #58
It's all subjective 2020Junker Aug 2019 #68
Ha! I am one of those routinely getting "absolutely hammered" in Bernie threads. Princetonian Aug 2019 #70
Sanders threads are very "Here there be dragons" 2020Junker Aug 2019 #72
no kidding qazplm135 Aug 2019 #112
first of all, baloney qazplm135 Aug 2019 #77
You got all those strawmen from one short sentence? lol Princetonian Aug 2019 #85
oh no it was premeditated! qazplm135 Aug 2019 #95
That's correct. You may not care but right about now, Harris is tanking in the latest Quinnipiac. Princetonian Aug 2019 #96
Well she did, so others are supposed to let her do it over and over again treestar Aug 2019 #93
mom, she started it! qazplm135 Aug 2019 #94
I consider calling, implying that Biden being is a racist which Kamala did during both Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #62
I don't really care who's fans are arguing with who, nor (usually) even what it's about ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #65
I don't care whose fans are fighting with anyone else's either, but I can tell you this. cwydro Aug 2019 #75
I don't like it either. But when a candidate attackes another breaking an agreement...it opens the Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #138
This is like the Hillary and Kissinger photos treestar Aug 2019 #92
I'll vigorously disagree with you on the Obama inauguration 2020Junker Aug 2019 #109
Quick to point out everybody else's sins isn't he? (Fowler)...hmmm...what is that saying that ... SWBTATTReg Aug 2019 #67
We keep hearing about how we're supposed to go into Trump country to reach out to Trump voters. StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #111
I have never heard. Who is saying we have to go into Trump country to reach out to Trump voters? Princetonian Aug 2019 #118
The "we need to reach out to Trump voters" is a common refrain EffieBlack Aug 2019 #134
+1 StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #136
In other words, it's heresay. Princetonian Aug 2019 #139
I have been very anti-Sanders, and neither Harris or Booker are in my top tier. Amimnoch Aug 2019 #124
"Pay your tithes or you're going to burn in hell. I tell you God will punish you" Blue_true Aug 2019 #127
Wow. I would totally NOT fit in at that church. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #141
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