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intheflow

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16. There are many moral cases to be made against Trump,
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 06:31 PM
Aug 2019

and many that have already been made. Casting Biden - or any Democrat - as a moral authority on anything is problematic for two reasons. First, morality is a religious concept using religious language. (The secular term is ethics/ethical.) Biden is not a religious authority, and liberals in general aren't religious and/or keep their faith private. Thus, many conservatives would view such framing by Biden as hypocritical. But secondly, it's not going to swing any Trump supporter to vote blue, as they are a living in a morality-free zone. They have no morals themselves, and yet they can hide behind their Christian "faith" and American culture just accedes their religious authority.

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everyone knows who trump is. huge chunks do not care and never will. it has to be about more msongs Aug 2019 #1
I think Sullivan shows how crucial Biden's grounds for attacking Trump are to emmaverybo Aug 2019 #4
The 2020 election will ultimately be a referendum on Trump and Trumpism peggysue2 Sep 2019 #28
This is well said by Sullivan.. not a fan but Cha Aug 2019 #2
Mahalo, Cha for citing one of the best parts. I usually avoid Sullivan. But then he has been a long emmaverybo Aug 2019 #7
Andrew Sullivan described Cha Aug 2019 #11
What's this "biggest wave of immigration" he's talking about? Recursion Aug 2019 #12
This, for sure Hekate Aug 2019 #19
THIS! And if you follow Lakoff (like I do!) you know this is the key EveHammond13 Aug 2019 #3
Wait until Joe invites Trump to go jogging with him world wide wally Aug 2019 #5
LOL! Yeah, I don't think Cha Aug 2019 #8
Hahahaha! peggysue2 Sep 2019 #29
"The sheer sociopathic narcissism in the face of such grief and trauma beggars belief." ucrdem Aug 2019 #6
Sullivan has a way with words. That line jumped out at me too. NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #9
Did Andrew Sullivan accidentally stumble on to a true fact? comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #10
I think a morals case is a very wrong way to head ... Auggie Aug 2019 #13
Horrible person said what? Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #14
Andrew Sullivan said it brilliantly. Cha Aug 2019 #22
Another embarrassed republican. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2019 #31
K&R nt Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #15
There are many moral cases to be made against Trump, intheflow Aug 2019 #16
I don't think the intention of Sullivan's essay was to cast Biden in the role of moral authority for emmaverybo Aug 2019 #17
Oh good, we can prosecute him in 'moral court'. aidbo Aug 2019 #18
Excellent OP. It's a pity so many miss the point. nt Hekate Aug 2019 #20
It is. You have a different preferred candidate, but know his was not a campaign speech and emmaverybo Aug 2019 #21
Joe Biden reminded all of us of what a presidential president would sound like Gothmog Aug 2019 #23
Everyone knows he is immoral. His voters don't care. aikoaiko Aug 2019 #24
Joe's appeal to independents is what will win this election. Princetonian Aug 2019 #26
Great read. Thank you! Princetonian Aug 2019 #25
Joe Biden's childhood struggle with a stutter: How he overcame it and how it shaped him Gothmog Sep 2019 #27
K&R Tarheel_Dem Sep 2019 #30
Hopefully around this time next year the real moral majority will kick the Idiot out of the WH with onetexan Sep 2019 #32
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