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blm

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85. Denial much?

Reply to Demsrule86 (Reply #82)

Sun Aug 25, 2019, 01:39 PM

Aug 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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I am posting two Electoral College maps;one we win,the other we don't. (poll) [View all] Demsrule86 Aug 2019 OP

Michigan DownriverDem Aug 2019 #1

Michigan has some strong Trump supporters...if we run a really Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #4

HRC had a record that was only slightly to the left of Biden and she was more hawkish karynnj Aug 2019 #20

You are comparing apples too oranges...this was not a right left thing. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #43

Obama and Kerry both won those three states karynnj Aug 2019 #90

Michigan is not going to vote for Trump... SidDithers Aug 2019 #26

He's permanently lost at LEAST 5% of his 2016 voters in Michigan. blm Aug 2019 #28

The polls did not favor him in 2016 either...keep that in mind...all it Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #45

+1 -K&R onetexan Aug 2019 #92

It could also happen if we run Biden. ZZenith Aug 2019 #130

Anything could happen...but odds are in our favor that Biden can win Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #131

We don't have to take back the blue wall states TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #2

Beto didn't win Texas ub 2018... brooklynite Aug 2019 #3

And Biden hasn't won the blue wall states ever. TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #7

Democrats won MI, WI and PA in 2018. Democrats didn't win TX in 2018. brooklynite Aug 2019 #14

So if Democrats won MI, WI, and PA in 2018 without Biden on the ticket, TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #23

Those were not statewide races...we won in Texas too but not statewide with Beto. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #78

You need to start with house seats and the legislature...and a Senate seat...before we won Virginia, Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #148

Are you seriously saying winning Texas is easier than winning PA, MI and WI??? karynnj Aug 2019 #24

You are relying heavily on Joe riding Obama's coattails. TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #40

Joe helped Obama win the Mid west in 08 and 12. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #79

Mmm, a number of polls have shown one candidate ahead of Trump in Texas Rstrstx Aug 2019 #103

Yes he has. He won them for Obama...saw him to do it twice. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #47

No, people don't usually vote for the second spot on the presidential ticket. TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #97

Biden was sent to Ohio for exactly that...and Biden is well liked in Ohio... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #127

Your OP stated "show me how we win without the blue wall states." TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #133

I was talking about the mid west...Ohio is not a must win state...we need Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #134

I showed you the way. TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #139

Excellent point! bluewater Aug 2019 #91

And when pigs fly...we couldn't beat the most hated GOP in the Senate...we are Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #5

i thought we had a shot with TX due to the Hispanic vote. It is not to be taken for granted, however CTyankee Aug 2019 #109

I see where you are coming from...but we can't afford to put all our eggs in Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #110

i wish I had a crystal ball on this... CTyankee Aug 2019 #113

Me too...I went to High School in Ridgefield by the way...also lived in Brookfield... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #123

in New Haven. I love it here. I'm in a great community, a neighborhood near the Yale Bowl. CTyankee Aug 2019 #125

I used to sneak into the Yale Library...it was better than ours... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #132

Also you post shows why we need the blue wall...even with Texas we barely win. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #6

No, what it means is that we would only need one out of the three blue wall states TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #9

Which states does Biden not have a link to karynnj Aug 2019 #27

Voters have short memories and the auto bailout was over ten years ago. TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #38

The auto bailout saved thousands of jobs and probably the economy...people haven't Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #80

Joe Biden leads race for campaign donors in Delaware, but not Philadelphia PADemD Aug 2019 #118

Joe will take PA and money isn't votes...he has the best chance by far. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #145

Actually, individual donations are votes. PADemD Aug 2019 #153

Not even close to votes...Polls show Biden takes PA...not many out there but I am confident Biden Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #154

Actually that was based on a bait and switch article...they used numbers before Biden got in for Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #164

That is not true...we could end up with a tie if one of them wasn't WI. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #48

Sure and we could get Georgia, Arizona or Carolina... but the odds are not good...we Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #147

TX in 2020 is unlikely, Beto or otherwise. TwilightZone Aug 2019 #12

Just making the GOP have to fight for TX is HUGE NYMinute Aug 2019 #22

No it is not...without the blue wall, it would be useless...we can't Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #49

Texas will not flip until Dems re-establish some control at the State Level Lithos Aug 2019 #88

I agree with this point too... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #163

trump... myohmy2 Aug 2019 #8

Policies are nothing if we can't win. I do not believe Sanders can win as Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #50

Any of them CAN win those states, though some have better chances than others. thesquanderer Aug 2019 #10

Well I can't change it now...but you are right...so put it in Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #51

Polls show others beating Biden in these states as well. thesquanderer Aug 2019 #59

Sander is the only one over 50 % besides Biden...but there are few state polls these Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #62

which you base on nothing qazplm135 Aug 2019 #77

One does not have to get over 50% to win. thesquanderer Aug 2019 #96

True that. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #100

We need to win big to circumvent the usual cheating by the Gop and not all of them can win...I stil Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #165

Bill Clinton carried Arizona in 1996 amb123 Aug 2019 #11

AZ more likely to go blue than getting all 3 iffy Midwest states imo lunasun Aug 2019 #31

No it is not...24 years since it went blue and before that didn't go blue either... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #63

Unlikely...we will be lucky to take the Senate seat...hope we do. But even if what you say is true.. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #149

A different world back then..he also carried Arkansas and Tennessee. I see Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #52

Biden MIGHT be able to take Arizona; none of the others would stand a chance LongtimeAZDem Aug 2019 #87

That is true...having him as nominee would help with the Senate seat also. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #135

I disagree that only a moderate can win MI, WI, and PA. yardwork Aug 2019 #13

Hillary Clinton boosted turnout in the Democratic cities... brooklynite Aug 2019 #15

Is that true? I hadn't heard that we did better in the cities than in 2012. yardwork Aug 2019 #16

Yes, according to the Ohio Democratic Party Chair brooklynite Aug 2019 #70

I'm asking about Pennsylvania. yardwork Aug 2019 #106

There is truth to that...and Biden will do better in rural counties too. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #64

Northampton County, PA, Election Results by Precinct PADemD Aug 2019 #18

Ok, but this is just one county. Rural voters usually vote R. yardwork Aug 2019 #21

College Towns in Northampton County, PA PADemD Aug 2019 #29

What was the turnout and percent of Democratic vote in 2012 vs 2016? yardwork Aug 2019 #30

See reply 116. PADemD Aug 2019 #119

Northampton County PADemD Aug 2019 #44

That supports my point, then. yardwork Aug 2019 #54

Clearly we need to get vote from different areas not just for the presidency but for the Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #65

Why do only BS supporters claim "no one stayed home" and "no one voted for Stein?" NYMinute Aug 2019 #25

Saw some Stein signs here Freddie Aug 2019 #32

I like all our candidates...just want to win. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #66

Total 2016 votes for Northampton County PADemD Aug 2019 #34

So obviously many stayed at home believing the narrative of DNC rigging. nt NYMinute Aug 2019 #36

Stein took 49,941 votes in PA. Tiggeroshii Aug 2019 #46

I'm asking for comparison with 2012. yardwork Aug 2019 #56

Biden saved Obama in 12...I saw it in Ohio...the first polls were a disaster for us. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #68

Interesting! yardwork Aug 2019 #107

I really was worried. Biden and Bill Clinton came repeatedly...in fact Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #111

The Dems didn't stay home in Northampton County PADemD Aug 2019 #116

This is very interesting. yardwork Aug 2019 #122

That is not really true...I live in the Mid West...and we lost because Trump Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #53

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2019 #17

Due to the disastrous efeects of Trump' tariffs NYMinute Aug 2019 #37

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2019 #39

No they are not...not true at all...we all know that tariffs aren't bad when Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #55

Trump has permanently lost at least 2% of ALL voters and he isn't adding any. blm Aug 2019 #19

The jobs aren't coming back speech you have in mind will send them to the GOP Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #57

WTF you talking about? You just made up a reply based on RW attack blm Aug 2019 #67

That is not an attack...I am familiar...and I have seen no real solutions...on a Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #69

You haven't a clue how she's running. Your scare tactic here is made up and absurd. blm Aug 2019 #71

It is not a scare tactic...and she running on so many policy initiatives I have lost count... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #72

Let us know why you used aRW lie against Obama blm Aug 2019 #73

I love Obama worked for his campaign...never said that...taking that out of Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #74

What RW lie do you refer to...time to post it or stop the attack on me...which is Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #76

Oh please. Now you never heard of it? blm Aug 2019 #84

No I didn't actually, but then I don't read conservative crap often...however Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #86

You must not battle RWers on line then. blm Aug 2019 #89

No I don't battle right wingers online...occasionally reply to twitter but that is Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #95

You are right TheFarseer Aug 2019 #94

I never suggested Warren would say that...she is smart...we were talking in Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #99

My mistake TheFarseer Aug 2019 #105

Maybe I wasn't clear...no worries. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #120

I made no mention of Pres. Obama so I have idea where you got that... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #75

YOU referred to the"jobs aren't coming back speech" blm Aug 2019 #81

Um...that was said way before Obama...as far as I know Pres. Obama never said that... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #82

Denial much? blm Aug 2019 #85

Any way you look at it, we've got a large red swath of stupid going on in this country. YOHABLO Aug 2019 #33

This is why I believe Biden is the best perhaps the only one who can beat Trump Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #58

Kick to show it will not be easy lunasun Aug 2019 #35

Those who believe anyone can beat Trump and it will be easy are wrong. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #60

Trump's approval #'s in WI, MI, & PA jcgoldie Aug 2019 #41

2016 approval rating...Health care is the issue to run on. It worked Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #61

I don't accept the premise of the question FBaggins Aug 2019 #42

Nor Do I Me. Aug 2019 #83

At this point I think it's Cha Aug 2019 #93

I agree Cha! Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #98

The Rust Belt Myth lives on, sadly. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #101

No, thanks just the same... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #102

There have been so many articles about it that it's hard to believe people still fall for the myth. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #104

Irony is dead. Princetonian Aug 2019 #115

That has absolutely nothing to do with the Rust Belt Myth. Try again. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #121

"But you can believe whatever you want. Ignorance is bliss." Princetonian Aug 2019 #124

The maps I posted show what happens if we we win the blue wall states and if we don't... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #126

The myths center around what happened in 2016 and why. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #129

Seriously? I want Biden because he can win specific states that others Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #136

"Statement politics" means everything to some and can distort reality to suit the passion for emmaverybo Aug 2019 #143

Well that explains a great deal...I have been unable to understand why some think certain Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #150

OP never said that. Resorting to a flimsy strawman is a sign of a losing argument. Princetonian Aug 2019 #146

Florida is a big swing state that should not be ignored IronLionZion Aug 2019 #108

Amen... absolutely right on target. Florida will be not forgotten. Princetonian Aug 2019 #117

In 2008, Biden supporters were the most respectful and polite of all the candidates IronLionZion Aug 2019 #155

We lost a sitting Senator in Florida...and Biden would help with this state too... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #137

I worry about wisconsin. I fear it is become more red as time goes on. Joe941 Aug 2019 #112

Me too...and it is a must win state...but we do have a senate seat there so... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #138

I don't see your second map happening at all. LincolnRossiter Aug 2019 #114

The second map is if we win the three states back. It shows what happens if we do win the states, Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #141

I think Biden can take those three states to stop Trump...and maybe more. he has ties to Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #158

it is unfortunate that these maps are taken seriously. Kurt V. Aug 2019 #128

Are you kidding...this is how we win...and how we lost in 16... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #140

Actually we lost in 2016 Andy823 Aug 2019 #142

It certainly hurt us Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #152

If we win WI, PA, and MI, Trump on has 3 remotely possible paths to win, and 2 are 269-269 ties Celerity Aug 2019 #144

Interesting post... I think it is unlikely that Nevada goes red...taking the rust belt is our best Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #151

just now on MSNBC, these 4 states are what Trump is going to focus on a lot to flip Celerity Aug 2019 #160

I don't believe that...his best chance for those states was 2016. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #162

Don't believe he is going to focus on those, or don't believe he can flip them? Celerity Aug 2019 #166

I wanted to add thanks...and I have to say ...Trump must be desperate to pin his chances on Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #167

+1 Celerity Aug 2019 #168

Back at you great find...you should consider making it a post on DU primaries... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #169

Don't Write Off Texas And Arizona Vogon_Glory Aug 2019 #156

We need to go after every state and maybe get the Senate that way...but the easiest way to Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #157

Florida removes the need for any 2 of those states (nt) Recursion Aug 2019 #159

We lost the governorship in 18 and a sitting Senator...Florida is unlikely and can't be counted on.. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #161

Now we have proof that Joe is the only Democrat can beat Trump. Princetonian Aug 2019 #170