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yardwork

(63,583 posts)
122. This is very interesting.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 07:32 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Michigan DownriverDem Aug 2019 #1
Michigan has some strong Trump supporters...if we run a really Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #4
HRC had a record that was only slightly to the left of Biden and she was more hawkish karynnj Aug 2019 #20
You are comparing apples too oranges...this was not a right left thing. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #43
Obama and Kerry both won those three states karynnj Aug 2019 #90
Michigan is not going to vote for Trump... SidDithers Aug 2019 #26
He's permanently lost at LEAST 5% of his 2016 voters in Michigan. blm Aug 2019 #28
The polls did not favor him in 2016 either...keep that in mind...all it Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #45
+1 -K&R onetexan Aug 2019 #92
It could also happen if we run Biden. ZZenith Aug 2019 #130
Anything could happen...but odds are in our favor that Biden can win Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #131
We don't have to take back the blue wall states TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #2
Beto didn't win Texas ub 2018... brooklynite Aug 2019 #3
And Biden hasn't won the blue wall states ever. TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #7
Democrats won MI, WI and PA in 2018. Democrats didn't win TX in 2018. brooklynite Aug 2019 #14
So if Democrats won MI, WI, and PA in 2018 without Biden on the ticket, TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #23
Those were not statewide races...we won in Texas too but not statewide with Beto. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #78
You need to start with house seats and the legislature...and a Senate seat...before we won Virginia, Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #148
Are you seriously saying winning Texas is easier than winning PA, MI and WI??? karynnj Aug 2019 #24
You are relying heavily on Joe riding Obama's coattails. TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #40
Joe helped Obama win the Mid west in 08 and 12. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #79
Mmm, a number of polls have shown one candidate ahead of Trump in Texas Rstrstx Aug 2019 #103
Yes he has. He won them for Obama...saw him to do it twice. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #47
No, people don't usually vote for the second spot on the presidential ticket. TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #97
Biden was sent to Ohio for exactly that...and Biden is well liked in Ohio... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #127
Your OP stated "show me how we win without the blue wall states." TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #133
I was talking about the mid west...Ohio is not a must win state...we need Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #134
I showed you the way. TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #139
Excellent point! bluewater Aug 2019 #91
And when pigs fly...we couldn't beat the most hated GOP in the Senate...we are Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #5
i thought we had a shot with TX due to the Hispanic vote. It is not to be taken for granted, however CTyankee Aug 2019 #109
I see where you are coming from...but we can't afford to put all our eggs in Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #110
i wish I had a crystal ball on this... CTyankee Aug 2019 #113
Me too...I went to High School in Ridgefield by the way...also lived in Brookfield... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #123
in New Haven. I love it here. I'm in a great community, a neighborhood near the Yale Bowl. CTyankee Aug 2019 #125
I used to sneak into the Yale Library...it was better than ours... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #132
Also you post shows why we need the blue wall...even with Texas we barely win. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #6
No, what it means is that we would only need one out of the three blue wall states TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #9
Which states does Biden not have a link to karynnj Aug 2019 #27
Voters have short memories and the auto bailout was over ten years ago. TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #38
The auto bailout saved thousands of jobs and probably the economy...people haven't Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #80
Joe Biden leads race for campaign donors in Delaware, but not Philadelphia PADemD Aug 2019 #118
Joe will take PA and money isn't votes...he has the best chance by far. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #145
Actually, individual donations are votes. PADemD Aug 2019 #153
Not even close to votes...Polls show Biden takes PA...not many out there but I am confident Biden Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #154
Actually that was based on a bait and switch article...they used numbers before Biden got in for Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #164
That is not true...we could end up with a tie if one of them wasn't WI. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #48
Sure and we could get Georgia, Arizona or Carolina... but the odds are not good...we Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #147
TX in 2020 is unlikely, Beto or otherwise. TwilightZone Aug 2019 #12
Just making the GOP have to fight for TX is HUGE NYMinute Aug 2019 #22
No it is not...without the blue wall, it would be useless...we can't Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #49
Texas will not flip until Dems re-establish some control at the State Level Lithos Aug 2019 #88
I agree with this point too... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #163
trump... myohmy2 Aug 2019 #8
Policies are nothing if we can't win. I do not believe Sanders can win as Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #50
Any of them CAN win those states, though some have better chances than others. thesquanderer Aug 2019 #10
Well I can't change it now...but you are right...so put it in Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #51
Polls show others beating Biden in these states as well. thesquanderer Aug 2019 #59
Sander is the only one over 50 % besides Biden...but there are few state polls these Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #62
which you base on nothing qazplm135 Aug 2019 #77
One does not have to get over 50% to win. thesquanderer Aug 2019 #96
True that. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #100
We need to win big to circumvent the usual cheating by the Gop and not all of them can win...I stil Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #165
Bill Clinton carried Arizona in 1996 amb123 Aug 2019 #11
AZ more likely to go blue than getting all 3 iffy Midwest states imo lunasun Aug 2019 #31
No it is not...24 years since it went blue and before that didn't go blue either... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #63
Unlikely...we will be lucky to take the Senate seat...hope we do. But even if what you say is true.. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #149
A different world back then..he also carried Arkansas and Tennessee. I see Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #52
Biden MIGHT be able to take Arizona; none of the others would stand a chance LongtimeAZDem Aug 2019 #87
That is true...having him as nominee would help with the Senate seat also. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #135
I disagree that only a moderate can win MI, WI, and PA. yardwork Aug 2019 #13
Hillary Clinton boosted turnout in the Democratic cities... brooklynite Aug 2019 #15
Is that true? I hadn't heard that we did better in the cities than in 2012. yardwork Aug 2019 #16
Yes, according to the Ohio Democratic Party Chair brooklynite Aug 2019 #70
I'm asking about Pennsylvania. yardwork Aug 2019 #106
There is truth to that...and Biden will do better in rural counties too. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #64
Northampton County, PA, Election Results by Precinct PADemD Aug 2019 #18
Ok, but this is just one county. Rural voters usually vote R. yardwork Aug 2019 #21
College Towns in Northampton County, PA PADemD Aug 2019 #29
What was the turnout and percent of Democratic vote in 2012 vs 2016? yardwork Aug 2019 #30
See reply 116. PADemD Aug 2019 #119
Northampton County PADemD Aug 2019 #44
That supports my point, then. yardwork Aug 2019 #54
Clearly we need to get vote from different areas not just for the presidency but for the Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #65
Why do only BS supporters claim "no one stayed home" and "no one voted for Stein?" NYMinute Aug 2019 #25
Saw some Stein signs here Freddie Aug 2019 #32
I like all our candidates...just want to win. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #66
Total 2016 votes for Northampton County PADemD Aug 2019 #34
So obviously many stayed at home believing the narrative of DNC rigging. nt NYMinute Aug 2019 #36
Stein took 49,941 votes in PA. Tiggeroshii Aug 2019 #46
I'm asking for comparison with 2012. yardwork Aug 2019 #56
Biden saved Obama in 12...I saw it in Ohio...the first polls were a disaster for us. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #68
Interesting! yardwork Aug 2019 #107
I really was worried. Biden and Bill Clinton came repeatedly...in fact Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #111
The Dems didn't stay home in Northampton County PADemD Aug 2019 #116
This is very interesting. yardwork Aug 2019 #122
That is not really true...I live in the Mid West...and we lost because Trump Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #53
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2019 #17
Due to the disastrous efeects of Trump' tariffs NYMinute Aug 2019 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2019 #39
No they are not...not true at all...we all know that tariffs aren't bad when Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #55
Trump has permanently lost at least 2% of ALL voters and he isn't adding any. blm Aug 2019 #19
The jobs aren't coming back speech you have in mind will send them to the GOP Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #57
WTF you talking about? You just made up a reply based on RW attack blm Aug 2019 #67
That is not an attack...I am familiar...and I have seen no real solutions...on a Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #69
You haven't a clue how she's running. Your scare tactic here is made up and absurd. blm Aug 2019 #71
It is not a scare tactic...and she running on so many policy initiatives I have lost count... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #72
Let us know why you used aRW lie against Obama blm Aug 2019 #73
I love Obama worked for his campaign...never said that...taking that out of Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #74
What RW lie do you refer to...time to post it or stop the attack on me...which is Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #76
Oh please. Now you never heard of it? blm Aug 2019 #84
No I didn't actually, but then I don't read conservative crap often...however Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #86
You must not battle RWers on line then. blm Aug 2019 #89
No I don't battle right wingers online...occasionally reply to twitter but that is Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #95
You are right TheFarseer Aug 2019 #94
I never suggested Warren would say that...she is smart...we were talking in Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #99
My mistake TheFarseer Aug 2019 #105
Maybe I wasn't clear...no worries. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #120
I made no mention of Pres. Obama so I have idea where you got that... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #75
YOU referred to the"jobs aren't coming back speech" blm Aug 2019 #81
Um...that was said way before Obama...as far as I know Pres. Obama never said that... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #82
Denial much? blm Aug 2019 #85
Any way you look at it, we've got a large red swath of stupid going on in this country. YOHABLO Aug 2019 #33
This is why I believe Biden is the best perhaps the only one who can beat Trump Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #58
Kick to show it will not be easy lunasun Aug 2019 #35
Those who believe anyone can beat Trump and it will be easy are wrong. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #60
Trump's approval #'s in WI, MI, & PA jcgoldie Aug 2019 #41
2016 approval rating...Health care is the issue to run on. It worked Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #61
I don't accept the premise of the question FBaggins Aug 2019 #42
Nor Do I Me. Aug 2019 #83
At this point I think it's Cha Aug 2019 #93
I agree Cha! Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #98
The Rust Belt Myth lives on, sadly. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #101
No, thanks just the same... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #102
There have been so many articles about it that it's hard to believe people still fall for the myth. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #104
Irony is dead. Princetonian Aug 2019 #115
That has absolutely nothing to do with the Rust Belt Myth. Try again. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #121
"But you can believe whatever you want. Ignorance is bliss." Princetonian Aug 2019 #124
The maps I posted show what happens if we we win the blue wall states and if we don't... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #126
The myths center around what happened in 2016 and why. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #129
Seriously? I want Biden because he can win specific states that others Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #136
"Statement politics" means everything to some and can distort reality to suit the passion for emmaverybo Aug 2019 #143
Well that explains a great deal...I have been unable to understand why some think certain Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #150
OP never said that. Resorting to a flimsy strawman is a sign of a losing argument. Princetonian Aug 2019 #146
Florida is a big swing state that should not be ignored IronLionZion Aug 2019 #108
Amen... absolutely right on target. Florida will be not forgotten. Princetonian Aug 2019 #117
In 2008, Biden supporters were the most respectful and polite of all the candidates IronLionZion Aug 2019 #155
We lost a sitting Senator in Florida...and Biden would help with this state too... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #137
I worry about wisconsin. I fear it is become more red as time goes on. Joe941 Aug 2019 #112
Me too...and it is a must win state...but we do have a senate seat there so... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #138
I don't see your second map happening at all. LincolnRossiter Aug 2019 #114
The second map is if we win the three states back. It shows what happens if we do win the states, Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #141
I think Biden can take those three states to stop Trump...and maybe more. he has ties to Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #158
it is unfortunate that these maps are taken seriously. Kurt V. Aug 2019 #128
Are you kidding...this is how we win...and how we lost in 16... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #140
Actually we lost in 2016 Andy823 Aug 2019 #142
It certainly hurt us Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #152
If we win WI, PA, and MI, Trump on has 3 remotely possible paths to win, and 2 are 269-269 ties Celerity Aug 2019 #144
Interesting post... I think it is unlikely that Nevada goes red...taking the rust belt is our best Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #151
just now on MSNBC, these 4 states are what Trump is going to focus on a lot to flip Celerity Aug 2019 #160
I don't believe that...his best chance for those states was 2016. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #162
Don't believe he is going to focus on those, or don't believe he can flip them? Celerity Aug 2019 #166
I wanted to add thanks...and I have to say ...Trump must be desperate to pin his chances on Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #167
+1 Celerity Aug 2019 #168
Back at you great find...you should consider making it a post on DU primaries... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #169
Don't Write Off Texas And Arizona Vogon_Glory Aug 2019 #156
We need to go after every state and maybe get the Senate that way...but the easiest way to Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #157
Florida removes the need for any 2 of those states (nt) Recursion Aug 2019 #159
We lost the governorship in 18 and a sitting Senator...Florida is unlikely and can't be counted on.. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #161
Now we have proof that Joe is the only Democrat can beat Trump. Princetonian Aug 2019 #170
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