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Fri Sep 13, 2019, 04:26 PM Sep 2019

Biden's answer on 'repairing the legacy of slavery' and 'inequality in schools and race' [View all]

...brought forward a response from the former VP which harkened back to something he got into hot water for in 2007.

...the question

Mr. Vice president, I want to come to you and talk to you about inequality in schools and race. In a conversation about how to deal with segregation in schools back in 1975, you told a reporter, "I don't feel responsible for the sins of my father and grandfather, I feel responsible for what the situation is today, for the sins of my own generation, and I'll be damned if I feel responsible to pay for what happened 300 years ago."

You said that some 40 years ago. But as you stand here tonight, what responsibility do you think that Americans need to take to repair the legacy of slavery in our country?


...Biden's answer:



BIDEN: Well, they have to deal with the -- look, there's institutional segregation in this country. And from the time I got involved, I started dealing with that. Red-lining banks, making sure that we are in a position where -- look, you talk about education. I propose that what we take is those very poor schools, the Title I schools, triple the amount of money we spend from 15 to $45 billion a year. Give every single teacher a raise, the equal raise to getting out -- the $60,000 level.

Number two, make sure that we bring in to help the teachers deal with the problems that come from home. The problems that come from home, we need -- we have one school psychologist for every 1,500 kids in America today. It's crazy.

The teachers are -- I'm married to a teacher. My deceased wife is a teacher. They have every problem coming to them. We have -- make sure that every single child does, in fact, have 3-, 4-, and 5-year-olds go to school. School. Not daycare. School. We bring social workers in to homes and parents to help them deal with how to raise their children.

It's not want they don't want to help. They don't -- they don't know quite what to do. Play the radio, make sure the television -- excuse me, make sure you have the record player on at night, the -- the -- make sure that kids hear words. A kid coming from a very poor school -- a very poor background will hear 4 million words fewer spoken by the time they get there.


Here's what I'm looking at here. I'm not 100% certain Biden was speaking specifically about black kids, but I'm fairly certain.

It's a problematic answer which assumes the things he's proscribing aren't already being offered children in black families. I don't know what he believes would precipitate bringing a 'social worker into homes,' or why he believes those families don't know how to raise their children.

It's a problematic answer, even if he's just referring to 'poor kids,' but it's an odd response to 'inequality' in schools, which I don't believe was meant to be a reflection of the financial status of families, but rather about the inequality in resources in black communities compared to others.

Going on about 'problems brought from home' appears to blame these children and their families for broken school systems which are beside the point about families which may be having difficulty.

And here's what's puzzling to me about Biden's answer. This is the same kind of response which got him into hot water a decade ago, interestingly, using much the same argument, but his spokespeople later insisting then that he was only talking about poor families, not black families.


here's what he said in 2007:

WASHINGTON (CNN) - In what the Washington Post is describing as a "stumble," Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden said in an interview with the paper Wednesday that Washington's high minority population is one of the reasons for the city's education problems.

Explaining why schools in Iowa are performing better than those in Washington, D.C., Biden told the Post, "There's less than one percent of the population of Iowa that is African American. There is probably less than four of five percent that are minorities. What is in Washington? So look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you're dealing with."

"When you have children coming from dysfunctional homes, when you have children coming from homes where there's no books, where the mother from the time they're born doesn't talk to them - as opposed to the mother in Iowa who's sitting out there and talks to them, the kid starts out with a 300 word larger vocabulary at age three. Half this education gap exists before the kid steps foot in the classroom," the Delaware Democrat added.

The paper reports Biden's campaign quickly sought to clarify the remarks, saying in a statement that the senator was not making a "race-based distinction" but rather a "socio-economic" one.


Where is Biden getting this stuff? It's offensive to ALL families, on its face, and just wild if he's talking about black families, in particular, which he appears to do in both instances.

I know what to expect here questioning Biden on his comments on race, but I do not believe he's a racist. I do, however, think he's tone-deaf and outright regressive in these remarks.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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This message was self-deleted by its author bluewater Sep 2019 #1
I'm saddened by this, not so much for his response, which was awful bigtree Sep 2019 #2
+1000 bluewater Sep 2019 #3
That might be the worst answer I've heard from Joe... indeed, out of any candidate in the 3 debates. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #76
Joe's speech on Sunday was amazing Gothmog Sep 2019 #104
That Rolling Stone piece provides a perspective that is unfortunate, but based in fact. thesquanderer Sep 2019 #5
The inflamatory headline masked some really good points loyalsister Sep 2019 #18
That's being kind... Rolling Stone is right on target on this one. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #78
FYI: The rollingstone article referenced was posted this morning and admin immediately took it down Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #6
Jamil Smith is a prominent, mostly mainstream, black writer bigtree Sep 2019 #7
It's why I did not post his title and only a excerpt that was on point. bluewater Sep 2019 #9
Are people somehow entitled to not be upset? melman Sep 2019 #16
some are more equal than others questionseverything Sep 2019 #29
re: "Can't have folks here (or posts) calling for our Dems to withdraw." thesquanderer Sep 2019 #25
The rules aren't necessarily applied fairly n/t wellst0nev0ter Sep 2019 #39
Wait people post here they will never vote for Bernie or Castro needs to go but a mainstream media lunasun Sep 2019 #32
He needs to learn to say "disadvantaged families" as all AAs aren't poor. It's a small thing... brush Sep 2019 #51
+10,000 BlueWI Sep 2019 #58
Yes, it's not that hard. Symone Sanders is on his staff. This should be done ASAP as his lexicon... brush Sep 2019 #63
ABSO-FUCKIN-LUTELY!! Well said!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #89
I think this may end up as blm Sep 2019 #4
+1 oasis Sep 2019 #53
Joe can survive this, but only if he holds a press conference ASAP & apologizes for these remarks. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #82
Hate only hides, it doesn't go away. We have not relegated white supremacy and racism to the pages o Gothmog Sep 2019 #103
Spot on. BlueWI Sep 2019 #8
Hopefully before the backlash builds. This is tough. blm Sep 2019 #13
Thanks for the rec. BlueWI Sep 2019 #22
that article led me to go back and look at the transcript Celerity Sep 2019 #24
the problem is biden has no clue how poor you have to be to qualify for medicaid questionseverything Sep 2019 #30
+1 floppyboo Sep 2019 #45
No doubt Joe's advisors are working overtime tonight!! I think Joe's campaign can survive... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #83
I'm sorry but her reading and purposefully weaving that 40yr old quote into the 'question' gave it UniteFightBack Sep 2019 #10
What she did reminds me of Dr. King's "Letter From Birmingham Jail." Kind of Blue Sep 2019 #12
Yeah, can't bring up things that Joe is on record as saying wellst0nev0ter Sep 2019 #40
Gave what away? Garrett78 Sep 2019 #70
Yeah, god forbid he actually explain how his current views are different than his old views. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #95
It's going to get worse than that Rolling Stone article. blm Sep 2019 #11
"Biden blamed black parents..." bigtree Sep 2019 #15
I don't believe this is Biden's heart or thoughts. blm Sep 2019 #17
well, you were on to it when you said Biden was 'relying on past decades of popular thinking' bigtree Sep 2019 #19
It was the response of an older person fumbling for an answer and blm Sep 2019 #20
Sad is the right word... and shocking. Couldn't believe that rambling answer. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #109
A LOT worse... that's why Joe needs to immediately hold a press conference and apologize InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #90
K&R! Kind of Blue Sep 2019 #14
Biden is making a good point. Although he butchered it. Blue_true Sep 2019 #21
Joe butchered it alright... so why not just come out with an apology and statement InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #84
You mean that Cornguy story? The Obit for the guy has what Biden called him and Blue_true Sep 2019 #99
Biden's answer, besides being incoherent, was tone deaf paternalistic racism Fiendish Thingy Sep 2019 #23
Agreed. Name recognition and Obama's coattails will wear off. Garrett78 Sep 2019 #26
You are not going to be able to convince black voters crazytown Sep 2019 #27
Obama selecting him as his vice president doesn't absolve Biden of any responsibility for addressing StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #33
That was not what I said. crazytown Sep 2019 #34
I have several close friends who are white who have a long way to go on race StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #38
I do't think Biden is great on race either crazytown Sep 2019 #42
Insisting that questioning someone's record on race is an "attack" is a big part of the problem StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #43
The work I used was unkind crazytown Sep 2019 #44
Criticism about someone's approach to race does not a"malign the heart" StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #46
Are you suggesting that Obama calling Biden brother has some bearing BlueWI Sep 2019 #48
I am saying that putting the worst spin on Biden's words crazytown Sep 2019 #49
These so-called defamations are based on what Biden said. BlueWI Sep 2019 #57
Racism is not "unequal opportunity". crazytown Sep 2019 #60
Debating what's in someone's heart is a 1970s conversation. BlueWI Sep 2019 #65
Yeah well crazytown Sep 2019 #66
If anyone's selling Biden as a racist, it's Biden himself. BlueWI Sep 2019 #113
Biden as running mate was a strategic choice. Obama didn't want Biden to run for president. Garrett78 Sep 2019 #37
Biden had to be stage-managed in the 2008 race wellst0nev0ter Sep 2019 #41
Thanks for pointing that out... worth noting. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #110
Thankfully, no one argued it ab absolved Biden of responsibility. Only you mentioned it as such. LanternWaste Sep 2019 #97
Biden worries me True_Blue Sep 2019 #28
Biden has never been a good candidate for president. Not in 88, 08 or now. Garrett78 Sep 2019 #36
We can't afford to make any missteps in 2020... this election is WAY too important!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #86
Thank you for posting this janterry Sep 2019 #31
Anyone who objects to affirmative actions because "I ain't my fault" is wallowing in their privilege McCamy Taylor Sep 2019 #35
OK I love you ChubbyStar Sep 2019 #47
Very well said!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #111
Biden's a man of his generation and time DeminPennswoods Sep 2019 #50
We don't have to nominate a man of his generation BlueWI Sep 2019 #59
Don't disagree, just noting DeminPennswoods Sep 2019 #61
Fair enough. BlueWI Sep 2019 #62
Biden is clearly not versed in anti-racism. It's one thing to read a speech. Garrett78 Sep 2019 #71
I agree. BlueWI Sep 2019 #112
That's a sad but true commentary on the current front-runner. Garrett78 Sep 2019 #68
Interesting take... clearly Joe's time has come and gone. That third debate pretty much sealed it. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #88
Reparations for slavery ya say. tirebiter Sep 2019 #52
OMG, I think you're on the wrong site. You might fit in at Stormfront. Garrett78 Sep 2019 #69
I'm going to let that pass one time tirebiter Sep 2019 #75
Wrong site. You're so misinformed it's sad. brush Sep 2019 #87
The question is a complex one, not ideal for a debate format, and it does involve one's environment still_one Sep 2019 #54
Warren resolves these 'gaffe' issues for me. NCLefty Sep 2019 #55
Biden leads with black voters treestar Sep 2019 #56
Hillary led with black voters at this point, against Obama, something Biden acknowledged bigtree Sep 2019 #64
the average voter is not like Harris treestar Sep 2019 #67
your new thing is to accuse posters of holding/expressing an opinion or other to 'advance Harris' bigtree Sep 2019 #72
Still not working treestar Sep 2019 #92
Not being part of the black community it's clear you're not aware of recent developments. There is.. brush Sep 2019 #80
Keep trying treestar Sep 2019 #93
Most polls don't separate age groups among demographic segments but if they did they'd find... brush Sep 2019 #94
FYI: He leads with older black voters. Many GenXers and Millenials have issues with many stances... brush Sep 2019 #85
This is a bit concerning. Joe941 Sep 2019 #73
It's more than a bit concerning. It's not 1950 and this isn't a Republican Primary. Garrett78 Sep 2019 #74
Well reasoned and thought out but brace for in-coming fire. brush Sep 2019 #77
A BIT concerning?! Now there's an understatement!! Joe needs to call a press conference tomorrow InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #81
Just wow!! Joe's debate answer was shocking...didn't realize tho just how offensive it really was InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #79
Today, we honor Addie Mae, Cynthia, Carole, Denise, and recommit to defeating the poisonous ideology Gothmog Sep 2019 #106
Joe Biden Speaks At The 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama tirebiter Sep 2019 #91
I am shocked that more Dems just dismiss his answer and are fine with it. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #96
I might be ok with them just dismissing it StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #100
Or they point to a scripted speech to suggest his unscripted moments don't matter. Garrett78 Sep 2019 #114
Yes. That, too. StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #115
We are in a battle for the soul of this nation Gothmog Sep 2019 #105
Not shocked at all... it's clear what's going on. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #107
Biden has plenty of black Americans on his staff IronLionZion Sep 2019 #98
Good advice! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #108
Why does Joe say this stuff ? ritapria Sep 2019 #101
Biden-We must give hate no safe harbor. Gothmog Sep 2019 #102
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