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Garrett78

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104. That and people have convinced themselves that only Biden can win, based largely on...
Sat Sep 14, 2019, 08:48 PM
Sep 2019

...a false narrative about what happened in 2016 and why.

People honestly seem to think the key to winning is flipping Trump voters in PA, MI and WI. As opposed to boosting turnout among our base. Hundreds of thousands fewer people showed up for Clinton than showed up for Obama in key battleground states, but people think flipping Trump voters is the key. It's madness.

Jamelle Bouie wrote a piece about the Obama-Trump voter that I've posted several times before: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/11/why-did-some-white-obama-voters-for-trump.html

People can't seem to grasp that A) some racists voted for Obama (like the racists who are married to a person of color and, therefore, can't be racist) following 8 years of Bush-Cheney and B) some of those Obama voters had become completely blinded by racism after 8 years of racist attacks on Obama (and are never coming back). Instead, they insist that a key to winning in 2020 is winning back a fraction of a fraction of voters who happened to vote for both Obama and Trump (due to *white* economic anxiety, 'cause - you know - POC don't experience economic anxiety). And, therefore, we need to nominate an old white man to defeat an old white man. Again, it's madness.

Jamil Smith of Rolling Stone is exactly right that non-racism isn't enough. We need someone well-versed in anti-racism. That ain't Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
Lots of people are calling for a boycott of her show. This is not what she expected, I'm sure. Skya Rhen Sep 2019 #1
This MAY be a requirement of being given a show at all. Hortensis Sep 2019 #54
It's also NOT what she said. hedda_foil Sep 2019 #76
Reid didn't need to "say" it.. she's promoting Cha Sep 2019 #137
What will boycotting her show accomplish? Perseus Sep 2019 #85
oh i wish she woudnt do that... samnsara Sep 2019 #2
Bet she was hacked again nt VarryOn Sep 2019 #3
Poor thing LuvNewcastle Sep 2019 #75
Ha! Well done! Tipperary Sep 2019 #110
Joy has some kind of axe to grind with Biden. madaboutharry Sep 2019 #4
Maybe it was... cannabis_flower Sep 2019 #65
That is not true, she was for him after debate #1 Perseus Sep 2019 #91
Her comments and demeanor madaboutharry Sep 2019 #106
Joy sure as hell better clarify or walk it back, bigtime. oasis Sep 2019 #5
She has made it clear she s not a Biden fan. I've stopped watching, not just because of that but Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #21
Quit watching Joy some time ago. True Blue American Sep 2019 #31
I was a huge fan until about two months ago when I put her oasis Sep 2019 #43
Calls are growing for Biden to Drop Out ? ritapria Sep 2019 #6
That was the headline on the MSNBC video when this OP was written and until very recently. OilemFirchen Sep 2019 #93
What calls? Green Line Sep 2019 #7
I watched this morning iamateacher Sep 2019 #8
Turned off watching her several months ago when she made it clear her dislike FloridaBlues Sep 2019 #40
I watch her show every week, both hours from start to finish. BUT, I turned her off.... George II Sep 2019 #9
She was appointment TV for me until that time she dragged Kahuna7 Sep 2019 #11
Was that today? I know in her introduction she said she was going to do TWO segments... George II Sep 2019 #28
I turned Joy off True Blue American Sep 2019 #33
A lot of Democrats have been very frustrated about Pelosi's stand on impeachment Perseus Sep 2019 #96
You turned off too quick. She pushed back against the guest. He's the one who called for Biden... brush Sep 2019 #130
I gave my reasons for turning Joy off True Blue American Sep 2019 #139
Sorry, I responded to the wrong poster. brush Sep 2019 #144
As I wrote in another thread, Reid hasn't called for him to drop out. Garrett78 Sep 2019 #10
That's your opinion. It's like saying, I'm not saying you should...but Kahuna7 Sep 2019 #12
No, it's a fact. Show me where she called for Biden to drop out. Garrett78 Sep 2019 #14
You didn't hear me the first time? ... Kahuna7 Sep 2019 #16
I heard you but what you said is bogus. Garrett78 Sep 2019 #22
She shouldn't have people on HER show advocating that and then.. Kahuna7 Sep 2019 #36
Wonder if Joy contradicted Wise? True Blue American Sep 2019 #48
Oh please. She has been bashing Biden since he announced. redstateblues Sep 2019 #112
If you don't know who Tim Wise is, you might want to find out EffieBlack Sep 2019 #18
Spare me. I've spent 65 years on earth not knowing or caring Kahuna7 Sep 2019 #20
I'm not shaming you. You're shaming yourself by proudly touting ignorance EffieBlack Sep 2019 #23
So now you're calling me ignorant because I don't know who Tim Wise is??? Kahuna7 Sep 2019 #27
No, Effie is very clearly stating that you're ignorant of who Tim Wise is. Garrett78 Sep 2019 #92
Why lie about it? Mostly everybody here can read. I CLEARLY said she's calling me Kahuna7 Sep 2019 #94
Effie said you're touting your ignorance of who Tim Wise is. Your response was: Garrett78 Sep 2019 #98
I have nothing else to say to you. Capiche? Kahuna7 Sep 2019 #99
This. I have been amazed at the defensiveness of Tipperary Sep 2019 #113
Especially if one of them suggested that the answer to repairing the legacy of slavery is... Garrett78 Sep 2019 #116
"Defensiveness of Biden supporters"? If it had been Cha Sep 2019 #132
My not watching Joy has nothing to do True Blue American Sep 2019 #140
I do not know True Blue American Sep 2019 #141
That was uncalled for! True Blue American Sep 2019 #49
+++ hlthe2b Sep 2019 #56
+++ demtenjeep Sep 2019 #63
It was indeed. The black members of DU don't educating about racism on TV, myself included. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2019 #133
Oh oh.. and you're just insulting. Cha Sep 2019 #131
I do not know who Tim Wise is! True Blue American Sep 2019 #35
I looked up his books on Amazon. His target audience seems to be Kahuna7 Sep 2019 #37
I am quite sure you could. True Blue American Sep 2019 #41
He was attempting to cite some out dated study. They all do it. nt Kahuna7 Sep 2019 #73
I bet he would welcome your teaching wellst0nev0ter Sep 2019 #90
How are more people not outraged? How can people be more outraged that Joy Reid... Garrett78 Sep 2019 #95
Privilege and white fragility still a lot of ordinarily loquacious tongues ... EffieBlack Sep 2019 #102
That and people have convinced themselves that only Biden can win, based largely on... Garrett78 Sep 2019 #104
Well, can't ignore that most black voters back Biden wellst0nev0ter Sep 2019 #103
I think it's just a matter of time before his support collapses. Garrett78 Sep 2019 #105
Yes, exactly this. nt Tipperary Sep 2019 #115
Joy is the biased one. True Blue American Sep 2019 #34
You mean these tweets? EffieBlack Sep 2019 #13
Among others, yes. Garrett78 Sep 2019 #17
You are entitled to your opinion. Biden will do just fine handling dotard. It doesn't matter who Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #24
The point isn't that Trump will be more nasty with Biden. The point is that his camp will... Garrett78 Sep 2019 #32
I don't want Biden either but qazplm135 Sep 2019 #64
No, it isn't. It worked in 2016. Garrett78 Sep 2019 #70
Trump surrogates will be out in force trying to suppress turnout regardless of who the nominee is Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #123
first of all qazplm135 Sep 2019 #125
SC is the bellwether for the AA vote. Biden polls at 43% there which mirrors Ntl polls as well Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #129
If Sanders and Warren are still unknowns, Mr.Bill Sep 2019 #25
They aren't, but about 20 others pretty much are. Garrett78 Sep 2019 #30
This is a five-person race. TwilightZone Sep 2019 #46
Many are not paying attention at this juncture. And that's exacerbated by the size of the field. Garrett78 Sep 2019 #50
Five person--'1,2,3,4' and whooo? eom sprinkleeninow Sep 2019 #114
The Biden support collapse has been touted for months now Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #124
Sanders has nearly 100% name recognition. Warren's is 90+%. TwilightZone Sep 2019 #42
Again, I'm not talking about Sanders or even Warren. Garrett78 Sep 2019 #51
Support your candidate don't bash others esp the front runner FloridaBlues Sep 2019 #47
Agree. nt No Vested Interest Sep 2019 #67
This!! Thank you Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #128
Well if Tim Wise says so..... Kahuna7 Sep 2019 #19
I've heard the name but Cha Sep 2019 #52
Well, Cha True Blue American Sep 2019 #142
She sure is playing it up though: George II Sep 2019 #29
I have mentioned Reid before. SCVDem Sep 2019 #15
I do Rebl2 Sep 2019 #26
She said on today's show that at the CBC conference yesterday, every black woman over 40... hedda_foil Sep 2019 #77
I just had to reply to that tweet. FloridaBlues Sep 2019 #38
It wasn't Joy who called for Biden to drop out. stopbush Sep 2019 #39
Joy passed that long ago True Blue American Sep 2019 #44
who cares what Joy Reid thinks evertonfc Sep 2019 #45
you should delete this post. Joy Reid did not say anything about Biden stepping down. bigtree Sep 2019 #53
Thank you. Some here seem terrified of any criticism Tipperary Sep 2019 #117
Biden will handle dotard and repugs well. Even if he is not the nominee they will go after who ever Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #127
I agree. We need a true progressive atop the ticket, not someone who makes us nostalgic for Obama. LonePirate Sep 2019 #55
Obama was a GREAT president!! 5starlib Sep 2019 #68
It's fine to be nostaligc of him. It's not fine when that's the only driving force behind a campaign LonePirate Sep 2019 #69
If middle of the road means a more robust Obamacare 5starlib Sep 2019 #72
There are things True Blue American Sep 2019 #143
Some of the bold ideas are not feasible, others are plain bad. Prune and prioritize. Existing emmaverybo Sep 2019 #109
Nothing is feasible if you don't try and he proposed nothing new or inspiring. LonePirate Sep 2019 #111
Inspiring? We do not need to cancel 95 percent of student debt or put another 200 a month into emmaverybo Sep 2019 #118
It's post like this one which make me wonder what happened to the Underground portion of DU. LonePirate Sep 2019 #119
It is alive and well, as shown by the fact that there are very few posts like mine challenging emmaverybo Sep 2019 #120
Indeed a lot less will be feasible if we loose the WH. Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #126
She has an irrational hatred of Biden treestar Sep 2019 #57
there's nothing she's said that shows ANY hatred of Biden bigtree Sep 2019 #59
I've seen it myself treestar Sep 2019 #62
you misrepresented what she actually said bigtree Sep 2019 #66
She's been Bernie bashing for awhile now. Interesting to see she's going after Biden. jalan48 Sep 2019 #58
Joy Reid did not 'go after Biden.' bigtree Sep 2019 #61
Misleading title. Biden's not my preference, KPN Sep 2019 #60
No it doesn't wrongly malign her. She's the one who posted it. She didn't have to. nt Kahuna7 Sep 2019 #74
it's a news blurb bigtree Sep 2019 #78
It's a news blurb because she made it so. nt Kahuna7 Sep 2019 #79
but YOU made it into something false bigtree Sep 2019 #86
I changed the title to she's "promoting" it, not saying it. Happy now? nt Kahuna7 Sep 2019 #88
I disagree. You wrote a title in your thread that misleads. It's KPN Sep 2019 #135
All I can say to Joy and anyone else that bashes Biden, you better be careful what you wish for world wide wally Sep 2019 #71
Joy Reid did not 'bash Biden' bigtree Sep 2019 #81
Good then. world wide wally Sep 2019 #87
It wouldn't surprise me if the lower rated MSNBC hosts wouldn't prefer Trump. He's been a.... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2019 #134
Reid just had this guy on to Bash Biden.. Cha Sep 2019 #138
Perhaps her account was has hacked again Jose Garcia Sep 2019 #80
she's not the one who posted this false thread. bigtree Sep 2019 #82
For everyone who's defending her, many times she has insulted Biden supporters... Kahuna7 Sep 2019 #83
that's nonsense. It does not justify the lie that she called for Biden to step down bigtree Sep 2019 #84
I updated my title to she's promoting it, not saying it. Happy now? Kahuna7 Sep 2019 #89
it's still false. bigtree Sep 2019 #100
It's backfiring whether you think it's "false" or not. Cha Sep 2019 #107
She doesn't explicitly call for him to drop out, but she encourages "pundits" who do: George II Sep 2019 #101
Apparently she posted a question on FB asking "..if Biden Cha Sep 2019 #122
Reid is promoting it.. on her her show and Cha Sep 2019 #136
I doubt there are many real calls for him to get out of the race. book_worm Sep 2019 #97
Joy Reid should drop out of journalism BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #108
Tell our front runner to drop out? Bayard Sep 2019 #121
AMJOY had a sanders supporter on yesterday and today two of AMJOY's guests attacked Biden Gothmog Sep 2019 #145
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