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DrFunkenstein

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42. Should Biden Have Recused Himself To Avoid The Impression of Conflict?
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 06:24 PM
Sep 2019

While it seems like Rosemont Seneca conducted all kinds of deals that could be construed as unethical given the position of access that the sons of Biden and Kerry possessed while making in numerous international deals, I seriously doubt that anything rose to the level of illegality.

I know that Trump has taken a big leak on governmental ethics, but our leaders are supposed to recuse themselves to avoid even the least possibility of conflict of interest.

I am hardly claiming to know all the facts, but I did find this:

Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.

“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden recalled telling Poroshenko.

“Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time,” Biden told the Council on Foreign Relations event, insisting that President Obama was in on the threat.


https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived

Given his son was a board member the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings at the center of the wide-ranging corruption probe led by the guy prosecutor who got fired, I'd venture that Biden should have known that a recusal was the right way to go. Someone else could have led the negotiations at a personal level.

My guess is that this conversation elevates Biden to a rival of Trump, which helps him, but it may not leave him smelling very sweetly. Then again, do the American people even notice these sorts of thing?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
I've been saying.. I hope this BACKFIRES Cha Sep 2019 #1
People aren't going to start voting for another four-plus months BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #2
I see your point. So many supposed BIG things have died quickly. Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #3
As a stand-alone issue it should be huge BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #4
EVERY CANDIDATE -- not just Biden -- should make an issue of this. If this story is true, it's highplainsdem Sep 2019 #7
Oh god. is that what he did?.. Cha Sep 2019 #10
If the Dems don't win the senate, this story could impeach Biden. floppyboo Sep 2019 #18
This happened in 2014-15. Biden was sent by prez Obama to deal with a crooked Ukrainian AG Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #38
This is no corn pop... agree every candidate should be talking non stop about this. Get it out there Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #31
Yes.. it's been a big deal all day.. Cha Sep 2019 #5
However DownriverDem Sep 2019 #12
Briefly, what is the Ukraine thing. Sorry to have to ask. CurtEastPoint Sep 2019 #6
You need to google it. Too complicated to explain here. Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #8
See the link and all the replies, especially reply 9 for a link to more background: highplainsdem Sep 2019 #9
Thanks again.. I just had my link ready.. Cha Sep 2019 #11
John Harwood tweet: highplainsdem Sep 2019 #13
Yeah, that makes sense.. sounds like what the OP Cha Sep 2019 #25
The Ferret on this.. Cha Sep 2019 #30
maybe but those who consider these things as top issues JI7 Sep 2019 #14
It gives me hope that, if this is all they have on Biden, they don't have much. fleur-de-lisa Sep 2019 #15
Um no - It is about Joe. floppyboo Sep 2019 #20
See post #38 he wasn't in the Ukraine for his son!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #39
I have always worried they would try to capitalize on what got rolling with Bernie emmaverybo Sep 2019 #37
I think where it helps Biden is that it shows Trump REALLY fears him... Drunken Irishman Sep 2019 #16
If 'the Ukraine thing' diverts attention onto Hunter Biden crazytown Sep 2019 #17
Nope - the story is that Biden threatened the then Ukrainian gov't to fire the prosecutor floppyboo Sep 2019 #19
Is there information out there that contracts the WaPo account. crazytown Sep 2019 #21
this I don't know. I suspect they laugh at our outrage at corruption. floppyboo Sep 2019 #22
Back in 2014. Biden was sent by prez Obama to deal with a crooked AG. Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #40
+1 oasis Sep 2019 #49
We'll see how it goes.. Cha Sep 2019 #29
I don't see it hurting Joe Biden, crazytown Sep 2019 #33
I have no crystal ball.. we'll see. Cha Sep 2019 #34
If the whistleblower is Coates, as some have speculated, crazytown Sep 2019 #35
Here's hoping! Cha Sep 2019 #36
Oh that would be good news! I always kinda thought there was something behind that poker face Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #41
trump is clearly scared of Joe Biden Gothmog Sep 2019 #23
The Ferret! Thank you, Goth!!! Cha Sep 2019 #28
Actions speak louder than words-- Trump clearly fears Joe Biden as the nominee andym Sep 2019 #24
Well Trump's a moron jcgoldie Sep 2019 #43
He hates women. Only sees them as eye candy. Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #46
I believe China will also have a favorite candidate in 2020. Sneederbunk Sep 2019 #26
Joe should say : "Bring it on baby!". oasis Sep 2019 #27
Indeed Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #32
Let's hope the MSM portrays Joe as having the best of intentions. nt oasis Sep 2019 #50
Should Biden Have Recused Himself To Avoid The Impression of Conflict? DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #42
The hypocrisy when you look at the Trump mafia offspring and what those little shits are up to sunonmars Sep 2019 #44
They don't have the hypocrisy, shame, guilt, empathy genes. Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #45
I was saying this exact thing to someone earlier. NCLefty Sep 2019 #47
This story has been investigated by the press and the press has found nothing Gothmog Sep 2019 #48
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