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Blue_true

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38. Senator Sander's behavior as Governor Shumlin struggled to get Single Payer in Vermont
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 06:40 PM
Sep 2019

is seared into my brain like a hot branding iron was put to my skull. He just totally disowned what was happening in Vermont and made zero effort to help. I can only guess that he was concerned that if Shumlin and the then heavily democratic Legistlature succeeded, one day one of them would run for his seat.

The result of Shumlin trying so hard is that his political career in Vermont was damaged enough that he either did not run for reelection or was defeated (I forget which), it resulted in a republican governor and more republicans in the Legistlature.

That fiasco is why I became a virulent Bernie Sanders phobe. I didn't know of some of the other things that have come out about what he is like, but all I needed was that Single Payer incident. Vermont tried to be first, and if they had succeeded, we may be having a vastly different discussion about healthcare today (just like Hillary's try in the 90s, an effort which House member Sanders weighed down with demands, then did lukewarm support for - how many people died because of a lack of adequate healthcare coverage between 1994 and 2010?)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
A Question I have for Bernie Sanders [View all] Otto Lidenbrock Sep 2019 OP
Shows a self-centered trait. nt BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #1
Yeah, because being interested in social justice and African American issues is self centered. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2019 #4
There is no independent proof that he was interested in it BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #8
There are actual voting records that show when sanders voted Gothmog Sep 2019 #9
Precisely BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #11
Why distort Sanders civil rights record? There is plenty of proof HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #14
actually there is independent proof that he was involved in civil rights back in the early 60's Celerity Sep 2019 #17
when does ignorance become distortion? HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #15
That ship sailed a long time ago. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2019 #22
Because no candidate in his lifetime was as awesome as him, I guess Clash City Rocker Sep 2019 #2
re: "if you need to be 'excited' by a candidate just to vote...you must be in a state of privilege" thesquanderer Sep 2019 #3
LBJ had arguably the two most iconic ads in presidential campaign history Otto Lidenbrock Sep 2019 #5
But did he target young voters? thesquanderer Sep 2019 #18
He didn't vote until he was almost 40 years old? LisaM Sep 2019 #6
I think the Math computes to an age of 32 n/t Tom Rinaldo Sep 2019 #12
Well, I looked up and he ran for mayor of Burlington in 1980 LisaM Sep 2019 #13
My first vote was for Jimmy Carter. Blue_true Sep 2019 #24
Me too! betsuni Sep 2019 #32
I am older than you are. My first vote was to elect him. Blue_true Sep 2019 #35
We do not need another egoist in the presidency. Though Bernie is a strong fighter on behalf emmaverybo Sep 2019 #7
I also would like to know the answer to this question Gothmog Sep 2019 #10
Do you really expect an answer from Bernie? aidbo Sep 2019 #16
It's a valid question and up for debate nini Sep 2019 #27
Voting is a marginal form of political activism... JackFrost Sep 2019 #19
but he didn't walk into the voting booth at all until he ran and he wanted to vote for himself JI7 Sep 2019 #21
Probably changed his political tactics and strategies... JackFrost Sep 2019 #23
Members of our military are deployed all over the world to defend Amercans' right to vote... George II Sep 2019 #36
I think my point on voting with the two posts I made in this thread is pretty clear no ? JackFrost Sep 2019 #40
maybe for the same reason he did nothing to help Vermont's democratic gov get single payer JI7 Sep 2019 #20
Exactly. Bernie said that it was essentially a Vermont issue. Can you imagine that? nt Blue_true Sep 2019 #26
So speaks "the most popular politician in the country"! George II Sep 2019 #37
Senator Sander's behavior as Governor Shumlin struggled to get Single Payer in Vermont Blue_true Sep 2019 #38
He says that when he saw a JFK/Nixon debate, what JFK said about the Cuban revolution betsuni Sep 2019 #25
He did not know that liberalism was not communism? Kennedy was hawkish on communism, emmaverybo Sep 2019 #29
I rarely understand what Bernie means when he says things. betsuni Sep 2019 #30
That's because he's a visionary, ahead of us all. emmaverybo Sep 2019 #31
Yes, my centrist establishment Third Way corporatist status quo brains cannot deal betsuni Sep 2019 #33
You can send him your question at roody Sep 2019 #28
Truth is, I don't really care why he didn't vote back then... TreasonousBastard Sep 2019 #34
A lot of people, both privileged and not privileged, become disenchanted with or aikoaiko Sep 2019 #39
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