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thesquanderer

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177. OTOH, the problem with "punting" is...

Sun Oct 27, 2019, 11:11 AM

Oct 2019

...as I said in another post...

Why would a person of color or a female EVER vote for a white male candidate, if instead of displaying some understanding of their unique issues, the candidate answered, "I can't really speak to that issue, because I'm not..." black/female/whatever.

Avoiding answering these questions is a bad idea, IMO.

And I bet the same people attacking Sanders for answering the question would be attacking him for not answering the question. "He avoided it because he doesn't have a good answer. Just more evidence that he doesn't understand black issues." Or some such.

Anyway, his answer doe not legitimize white supremacy... it recognizes certain uncomfortable realities. This is a situation a black person may find himself in, where even if he feels wronged/profiled/whatever, it can be more important to survive than to take a stand.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Bernie Sanders to black man: Be respectful so you won't get shot in the back of your head. [View all] WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2019 OP

My Dog, I hate this forum so f***ing much ... mr_lebowski Oct 2019 #1

LOL, I have a friend on here who describes this as 'that wretched hive of PatrickforO Oct 2019 #21

you must be wealthy then questionseverything Oct 2019 #25

Gosh, I could do without the snark, thank you. I was being genuine. If you don't like genuine, then PatrickforO Oct 2019 #26

i was being genuine questionseverything Oct 2019 #34

I think a poor black kid is more likely to have a bad run-in with a cop than a poor white kid. thesquanderer Oct 2019 #141

Indeed. I agree with that. PatrickforO Oct 2019 #217

i do not deny any of that questionseverything Oct 2019 #237

I am not wealthy and have never worried about the cops hack89 Oct 2019 #207

Yep. PatrickforO Oct 2019 #218

That is what Bernie should've said. Bringing up the spectre of the young man getting shot in the... brush Oct 2019 #85

He should have simply said that he wasn't equipped to answer that question, not being black himself. George II Oct 2019 #88

Had he said what you suggested he say... Bluepinky Oct 2019 #126

Well Bernie seems to have no problems bashing Dems, so that victim card is hollow. MrsCoffee Oct 2019 #133

+1 betsuni Oct 2019 #143

A few distortions, but okay. Bluepinky Oct 2019 #159

Excellent, MrsCoffee! Cha Oct 2019 #235

Thank you. KPN Oct 2019 #181

What an awful answer that would have been. thesquanderer Oct 2019 #142

why would come to a place that is 'that wretched hive of scum and villainy' ? stonecutter357 Oct 2019 #174

It's a joke. PatrickforO Oct 2019 #219

There are some videos out there where whites get shot treestar Oct 2019 #214

Pretty sure you can trash forums. cwydro Oct 2019 #51

I maybe could, but feel like I have to kinda 'keep an eye' on what's going on ... mr_lebowski Oct 2019 #59

'use this forum to build your candidate of choice' TwilightZone Oct 2019 #66

Good point. cwydro Oct 2019 #131

I doubt any political enemies care all that much redqueen Oct 2019 #155

Thank you. HerbChestnut Oct 2019 #92

+10000 Celerity Oct 2019 #121

I just read this on Twitter mcar Oct 2019 #2

I can't even................. George II Oct 2019 #3

Posting a stereotype gif of a comedic actor seems inappropriate and demeaning. bluewater Oct 2019 #13

That's your opinion. George II Oct 2019 #15

Indeed it is. bluewater Oct 2019 #16

No, it's not demeaning or inappropriate. Skya Rhen Oct 2019 #98

... sheshe2 Oct 2019 #106

They think it's funny RandiFan1290 Oct 2019 #138

I am no fan of Sanders but literally dozens and dozens dsc Oct 2019 #4

i am not black and i warn my kids the same way questionseverything Oct 2019 #6

What's wrong with it is that Sanders said it. thesquanderer Oct 2019 #14

Sadly, this is true. There are about ten people on here who genuinely loathe Sanders. PatrickforO Oct 2019 #24

A HUGE factor... in promoting so many progressive issues. Thankfully, most peeps InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #55

Have you ever heard of the Dingells, John Sr., John Jr., and Debbie? They started talking... George II Oct 2019 #87

What an absurdly irrelevant comment to make here. KPN Oct 2019 #183

Other than to post a gratuitous personal attack, what's your point? What's "ridiculous" about it? George II Oct 2019 #185

Quick edit I see. Here's what you originally said: "What a ridiculous comment." Why did you edit? George II Oct 2019 #186

Lol. No, quick response to a comment I see. KPN Oct 2019 #187

Well, since you responded to me the "My Posts" tab turns yellow, advising that I had a response. George II Oct 2019 #190

What IS relevant, if you followed the discussion, is that someone stated that thanks to.... George II Oct 2019 #189

We? That's not true. Some ... and actually not KPN Oct 2019 #192

Here's the statement to which I responded. Yes, it was stated "we"... George II Oct 2019 #195

Well, sure. Let's have a bit of history. In concept, a national health care plan dates clear back PatrickforO Oct 2019 #188

Thank you. I'm not sure of the full history, but the Dingells (John Sr. in particular) have been... George II Oct 2019 #191

I did not know that - about Dingell Sr. PatrickforO Oct 2019 #193

When looking for when Dingell first introduced his legislation, I found this: George II Oct 2019 #197

More about my "absurdly irrelevant comment" (see post #183), in addition to the Dingells.... George II Oct 2019 #205

Well...OK. I'm cool with that. I remember John Conyers. PatrickforO Oct 2019 #208

When I posted that, I hadn't heard the news today. John Conyers passed away this morning at age 90. George II Oct 2019 #209

Yes, rest in peace, John. The world is a better place because he lived, PatrickforO Oct 2019 #210

+1000! JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #41

This. nt redqueen Oct 2019 #49

Ding! Ding! Ding! We hava winna!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #53

Lol. There is a contingent here who pretty much thinks he can say or do no wrong. MrsCoffee Oct 2019 #136

What advice would you have given? N/t TCJ70 Oct 2019 #148

Exactly. KPN Oct 2019 #182

I do, too... CozyMystery Oct 2019 #139

Get Home Safely: 10 Rules of Survival Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #5

... redqueen Oct 2019 #54

... Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #60

Where is the part about "getting shot in the back of the head"? lapucelle Oct 2019 #86

That's good advice for anyone treestar Oct 2019 #215

Black people are getting shot in their homes doing nothing! OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #7

Botham Jean mcar Oct 2019 #10

I didn't see any body excusing the cruel unwarranted deaths of black men ChubbyStar Oct 2019 #27

Really? mcar Oct 2019 #29

Nah, sorry didn't see any excuses ChubbyStar Oct 2019 #37

so you think the advise should be what? questionseverything Oct 2019 #17

The truth. OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #20

see if you think whites do not fear cops you are just wrong questionseverything Oct 2019 #22

The difference between whites and blacks is MASSIVE. OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #33

my neighborhood is very mixed questionseverything Oct 2019 #45

You cannot possibly be comparing mcar Oct 2019 #36

if 8 out of 10 murders by police are of blacks, how does that help the 2 white guys? questionseverything Oct 2019 #44

No! Not just like blacks do. OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #50

a huge part of the problem is hiring vets home from iraq/afganistan with ptsd questionseverything Oct 2019 #82

Nothing was going to stop Bush OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #84

obama didnt back bush.it wasn;t all democrats questionseverything Oct 2019 #91

That would be the kiss of death for a candidate. flor-de-jasmim Oct 2019 #129

yes, but when you are stopped by a cop, what do you do? CharleyDog Oct 2019 #32

The fact that getting pulled over is not the ONLY way to get shot is no reason not to have... thesquanderer Oct 2019 #144

That's another issue treestar Oct 2019 #216

:O Skittles Oct 2019 #8

Yes. Thank you. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #9

Don't bring on your own death, or rape mcar Oct 2019 #11

Better to learn how to behave so you don't get shot... thesquanderer Oct 2019 #145

You are saying that young black people don't know how to behave? mcar Oct 2019 #150

No, I am saying that being polite probably increases one's odds of survival. thesquanderer Oct 2019 #158

Lol. Sometimes people try too hard. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2019 #28

lol WTF ! stonecutter357 Oct 2019 #12

Good advice. Autumn Oct 2019 #18

it's the inference that courtesy alone is the root of the problem Skittles Oct 2019 #30

I've taught that to my grandson, he doesn't have to mean it, he just has to pretend. nt Autumn Oct 2019 #35

I am always extremely polite to police Skittles Oct 2019 #43

"Driving While Brown" is an issue. nt Autumn Oct 2019 #47

yes Skittles Oct 2019 #58

It had been addressed time and again and our children still die. Politenes has nothing to do with it Autumn Oct 2019 #62

There is no inference that courtesy is the root of the problem. thesquanderer Oct 2019 #147

it is more about not giving the cop an "excuse" questionseverything Oct 2019 #238

Tell Philando Castile mcar Oct 2019 #39

Exactly DesertRat Oct 2019 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author DesertRat Oct 2019 #101

That's not bad advice... Mike Nelson Oct 2019 #19

What's wrong with that advice? TheFarseer Oct 2019 #23

it's the inference that courtesy alone is the root of the problem Skittles Oct 2019 #31

Thank you! That was a bullshit answer. tulipsandroses Oct 2019 #67

Your "better answer" is not an answer to the question. TCJ70 Oct 2019 #76

I doubt this young man was looking for fatherly advice tulipsandroses Oct 2019 #80

So you're upset Bernie didn't answer a question he wasn't asked. TCJ70 Oct 2019 #81

Then why did he ask this? ChubbyStar Oct 2019 #83

Thank you for this post mcar Oct 2019 #95

+1 betsuni Oct 2019 #103

The problem was not in telling him to act respectful -- it was this part: pnwmom Oct 2019 #38

People are willing to defend or ignore every tone deaf thing Bernie says dansolo Oct 2019 #130

It's common sense to behave respectfully around a cop with a gun. thesquanderer Oct 2019 #151

This response reminds me of my kids TheFarseer Oct 2019 #200

Philando Castile is what is wrong with that advice mcar Oct 2019 #42

I found the "so you won't get shot in the back of your head" to be very interesting. Autumn Oct 2019 #48

Tamir Rice would like a word mcar Oct 2019 #56

Not a damn thing!! Good for Bernie!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #57

I feel like this question was a set up agalisgv Oct 2019 #40

I hope the kid that asked the question doesn't get doxxed. OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #52

Biden got a similar question mcar Oct 2019 #149

It doesn't matter. Anything Bernie said would be criticized. vsrazdem Oct 2019 #46

aw, because he is such a victim Skittles Oct 2019 #71

No because I read this board and it never fails. vsrazdem Oct 2019 #97

Be polite to ANYONE who has a gun 4139 Oct 2019 #61

Again, Tamir Rice would like a word mcar Oct 2019 #63

And those are policing problems. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2019 #201

Here's a way Bernie could have answered that effectively. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2019 #64

Thank you. Somebody that gets it! tulipsandroses Oct 2019 #78

Exactly loyalsister Oct 2019 #114

Excellent response. brer cat Oct 2019 #125

But that doesn't answer the question he was asked! (n/t) thesquanderer Oct 2019 #152

I'm a fan of white people punting on giving advice to black people and POC about moving through WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2019 #171

OTOH, the problem with "punting" is... thesquanderer Oct 2019 #177

Yeah, "punting" is a poor choice of word. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2019 #178

Recognizing something bad exists is important. Recognizing it does not legitimize it. thesquanderer Oct 2019 #179

I don't believe Sanders did so effectively in his answer. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2019 #180

Inherently, recognizing something does not mean the same thing as legitimizing it. thesquanderer Oct 2019 #184

Being respectful is not bad advice. cwydro Oct 2019 #65

Does he really think that all the black men and women mcar Oct 2019 #68

Exactly Me. Oct 2019 #102

He didn't say that. He did say that being polite can help you survive. Different. (n/t) thesquanderer Oct 2019 #153

... mcar Oct 2019 #154

So your point is that instead of "so you won't get shot" he should have said... thesquanderer Oct 2019 #160

What advice would you give? N/t TCJ70 Oct 2019 #156

I'm not a presidential candidate mcar Oct 2019 #157

Didn't realize you had to be one to answer a question TCJ70 Oct 2019 #161

I wouldn't presume that a young black man would not be respectful mcar Oct 2019 #167

But if asked for advice, what would you say? Be disrespectful? N/t TCJ70 Oct 2019 #168

What a silly question mcar Oct 2019 #199

Oh jeezus Lunabell Oct 2019 #69

No Sanders fan. But if you watch the video, I think he's giving good advice and he is ashamed Hoyt Oct 2019 #70

Thank you. Lucky Luciano Oct 2019 #79

At least he didn't remind everyone again that he was at the March on Washington and saw MLK. betsuni Oct 2019 #72

Sounds like a strong criticism and indictment of the police forces of the USA by Bernie. Lucky Luciano Oct 2019 #73

What's the correct answer, those who are upset by this? TCJ70 Oct 2019 #74

I took a stab in post 64. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2019 #89

But that's not an answer to the question asked. TCJ70 Oct 2019 #90

I'm a fan of white people punting on giving advice to black people and POC about moving through WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2019 #170

EVERYONE READ THIS PERSONS RESPONSE. TCJ70 Oct 2019 #172

This was a truly horrible response by sanders Gothmog Oct 2019 #75

Biden didn't answer the question. He changed it. TCJ70 Oct 2019 #77

the idea that biden is gonna wave a majic wand and fix it is bs too questionseverything Oct 2019 #94

SSSSHHHHHH.....the record player shall not be mentioned ChubbyStar Oct 2019 #96

If Bernie had answered the way Biden did, he wouldn't be getting rightfully flamed on social media. Skya Rhen Oct 2019 #109

Sure he would. The complaint would have been that he... TCJ70 Oct 2019 #122

Why use the word pander? You know exactly what he meant, which is that it is less likely a white emmaverybo Oct 2019 #112

The question didn't include anything about being pulled over... TCJ70 Oct 2019 #123

I assumed it did or the questioner would have stated the circumstances, However, does not change emmaverybo Oct 2019 #198

How many of those white kids.. sheshe2 Oct 2019 #113

What advice would you have given the questioner? N/t TCJ70 Oct 2019 #124

Here is Biden's full answer Gothmog Oct 2019 #203

Does Joe not realize a white man can have a black daughter? aidbo Oct 2019 #212

See, if you're nice to the police officer, he might shoot you in the chest instead Clash City Rocker Oct 2019 #93

And if you're REAL nice. . . Hunt 4 Blue November Oct 2019 #99

And then you might get an open casket funeral. That's better, right? LenaBaby61 Oct 2019 #127

+1 betsuni Oct 2019 #128

Ugh! DesertRat Oct 2019 #104

Oh no. He really said that? dewsgirl Oct 2019 #105

here DesertRat Oct 2019 #107

Yikes! dewsgirl Oct 2019 #108

Interesting comments in that thread. betsuni Oct 2019 #110

Mahalo, DR.. 2 more tweets on that thread.. Cha Oct 2019 #111

Yikes DesertRat Oct 2019 #118

I remember these clips Gothmog Oct 2019 #119

Well, well, well... very interesting background info. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #134

It sure Does, Jackie! Cha Oct 2019 #234

Two things. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #115

"Bernie Sanders: Be respectful..." myohmy2 Oct 2019 #116

If he'd left out the part about getting shot in the back of the head, his answer would've been fine MustLoveBeagles Oct 2019 #117

Is there a DU rule against thread titles this misleading? NT Eric J in MN Oct 2019 #120

SMDH n/t PhoenixDem Oct 2019 #132

Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #135

Last person I would take advice from on being respectful. MrsCoffee Oct 2019 #137

What an odd and inappropriate response. honest.abe Oct 2019 #140

What advice would you give? N/t TCJ70 Oct 2019 #146

How about leave off the comment about being shot in the back of the head. honest.abe Oct 2019 #162

But that's not the advice, is it? N/t TCJ70 Oct 2019 #163

But that's what makes it inappropriate and odd. honest.abe Oct 2019 #164

Not really. I bet parents all over this country say it... TCJ70 Oct 2019 #165

"Be nice or get shot" ?? honest.abe Oct 2019 #166

What would you say? Lay it out. You still haven't done that. N/t TCJ70 Oct 2019 #169

The first part of what he said is fine... honest.abe Oct 2019 #173

So you'd give the same advice. Got it. N/t TCJ70 Oct 2019 #175

No. honest.abe Oct 2019 #176

Oh brother! More Bernie hate. I don't get it and. KPN Oct 2019 #194

"..the usual suspects..."? REALLY? George II Oct 2019 #204

really KPN Oct 2019 #211

Repeating Bernie's own words is "Bernie hate?" ehrnst Oct 2019 #222

In Bernie's case. There is no question that KPN Oct 2019 #223

A certain portion of Bernie supporters believe that any dissent is an "attack" or "hate." ehrnst Oct 2019 #224

I do understand being disturbed over his criticisms of the party. I'm not sure I would call them KPN Oct 2019 #227

He's running on a Democratic Party ticket. ehrnst Oct 2019 #229

It's not popular here, but I am pro-ass kissing to cops Polybius Oct 2019 #196

Biden's answer was superior to sanders response Gothmog Oct 2019 #202

Out of touch old white guy answer. Afromania Oct 2019 #206

Of all the responses and explanations posted in reply... NurseJackie Oct 2019 #213

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2019 #226

Here is how Joe Biden answered the same question: George II Oct 2019 #220

So how, exactly, is Biden going to end systemic racism? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #228

I am not surprised in the least. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2019 #221

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2019 #225

Welcome to DU! radical noodle Oct 2019 #230

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2019 #231

I'm not black and I'll react as I believe appropriate. Hortensis Oct 2019 #232

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2019 #233

CNN-Racism, Bernie Sanders and the limits of 'respect' Gothmog Oct 2019 #236