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yardwork

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113. The Intercept?! Get that Russian propaganda off DU.
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:36 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
If Sanders is the nominee I will unite behind him 100%. mobeau69 Mar 2019 #1
:) No worry we'd have to gird our loins for that. Hortensis Mar 2019 #72
don't be so sure - it's our nightmare scenario.... getagrip_already Mar 2019 #114
I never vote in a primary with my heart. I have always voted for the primary candidate Autumn Mar 2019 #125
not fear... getagrip_already Mar 2019 #127
I always vote wisely. I vote for the Democratic candidate in the primary who best Autumn Mar 2019 #129
Me too. And then I enthusiastically get behind the eventual nominee emulatorloo Mar 2019 #186
:) Mine either, but they all share my principles Hortensis Mar 2019 #201
Yes that's what we do. The end game is to put the Democrat in office. Autumn Mar 2019 #207
Yes debates are key for me as well emulatorloo Mar 2019 #208
Same to you. Autumn Mar 2019 #212
I'm a head-over-heart kind of gal. ALWAYS. calimary Mar 2019 #221
one question that comes to mind G_j Mar 2019 #236
You have a right to express your opinion but Your stats on how Sanders supporters voted are bizarre. hedda_foil Mar 2019 #131
... lapucelle Mar 2019 #154
... lapucelle Mar 2019 #155
Thank you. I stand corrected. hedda_foil Mar 2019 #161
NP lapucelle Mar 2019 #215
Jill Stein is now officially the Ralph Nader of 2016. Cha Mar 2019 #172
Jill Stein wasn't the only one who tried to convince voters that Trump and HRC were both "evil". N/T lapucelle Mar 2019 #219
Yep. calimary Mar 2019 #224
That's right.. she Cha Mar 2019 #234
BOOM! calimary Mar 2019 #223
Misogyny pure and simple Dream Girl May 2019 #302
Those were the republicans Bernie won over that went back to the repub candidate onit2day Mar 2019 #192
Do you have a link with stats showing that BS to Trump voters were mostly Republicans? lapucelle Mar 2019 #214
That is pure speculation. Bernie has nothing to do with Stein and worked hard to get dems elected onit2day Mar 2019 #187
talk about revisionist history.. getagrip_already Mar 2019 #237
Too bad what it "sounds like" to you.. BS is .. Cha Mar 2019 #250
BS hired 3 stein voters for Cha May 2019 #299
I don't think winning the primary BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #240
Guess that's why he leads in all the polls, why polls showed him beating Trump onit2day Mar 2019 #177
You are relying on polls in a hypothetical matchup TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #200
Hypothetical matchups n/t BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #241
NO he Does NOT. Cha Mar 2019 #251
THIS!!!! +1,000 InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #280
With less than 30% support in the party, sanders is not electable Gothmog Apr 2019 #282
True story musicman65 May 2019 #290
sanders is polling far below 30%now Gothmog May 2019 #291
So what you're saying is Lazy Daisy Mar 2019 #2
I know right? Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #3
I will support the nominee of the party Gothmog Mar 2019 #9
Yes, unlike much of Sanders' top campaign staffers, we'll vote for the DEMOCRATIC nominee. George II Mar 2019 #90
And. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #12
The terms of service for DU members state that they can be banned if they discourage other members TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #24
Exactly this LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #77
Because E. Warren would be vice president and Bernie believes He is best candidate& wants the job onit2day Mar 2019 #191
It's far more likely that a Sanders/Warren would be a disaster. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #199
Doesn't that appear to be the primary goal BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #242
For the same reason people want Joe Biden. We like the policies!!! vsrazdem Mar 2019 #252
So if Sanders loses Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #274
How can sanders win key primaries with no support from African American voters? Gothmog Mar 2019 #8
He can't. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #13
Of course he can FBaggins Mar 2019 #61
He did in 2016 onit2day Mar 2019 #193
Which states are those? TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #202
I'd love an expansion on this. Socal31 Mar 2019 #15
Good questions. LuvNewcastle Mar 2019 #132
I wouldn't say no support JonLP24 Mar 2019 #31
Higher than Kamala Harris and Corey Booker? I don't think so. yardwork Mar 2019 #60
Yes higher than Kamala Harris or Booker JonLP24 Mar 2019 #63
The Intercept?! Get that Russian propaganda off DU. yardwork Mar 2019 #113
They quote an actual poll JonLP24 Mar 2019 #122
Linking to the Intercept is an automatic loss of credibility. yardwork Mar 2019 #136
That is funny because Rachel Maddow used the Intercept whenever they break stories JonLP24 Mar 2019 #197
So on that poll, namahage Mar 2019 #143
Don't worry. They do this with every poll that shows Bernie up. vsrazdem Mar 2019 #255
LOL. If he had been anointed last time, he would be president vsrazdem Mar 2019 #253
Where were the African American voters at the recent event in South Carolina? Gothmog Mar 2019 #140
I watched it live JonLP24 Mar 2019 #198
Less than 4% of crowd was African American Gothmog Mar 2019 #209
I'm not sure I trust Washington Post which has a strong anti progressive bias JonLP24 Mar 2019 #211
I like living in the real world and I have a subscription to the Washington Post Gothmog Mar 2019 #213
I live in the real world too and the Washington Post bias is obvious JonLP24 Mar 2019 #220
Where are the non whites at this rally? Gothmog Mar 2019 #222
I'm not into counting people in a crowd JonLP24 Mar 2019 #229
I was a Clinton delegate to the National Convention Gothmog Mar 2019 #232
I didn't know you were a at the National Convention as a delegate. Stuart G Apr 2019 #269
This was not a fun experience Gothmog Apr 2019 #271
Huh? Thekaspervote May 2019 #303
Short answer GWC58 Mar 2019 #45
He's hired nina and briebrie to run cover for him and cornell to Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #62
That's nonsense. He has a great deal of support from A-A voters. He won key primaries last time onit2day Mar 2019 #179
No, sanders got little support from this demographic in the real world Gothmog Mar 2019 #182
Where were these supporters at an event at an African American church??? Gothmog Mar 2019 #246
No. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #10
Funny how his staff couldn't vote for the Democrat, but expect unity now... Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #64
+1 betsuni Mar 2019 #71
+++ sheshe2 Mar 2019 #126
+∞ LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #128
Seriously! Somebody should tell Bernie, who's leading all fellow Democratic candidates who've InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #11
Where in the world did you get that metric? fleabiscuit Mar 2019 #30
Could've sworn I said all fellow Democrats who've declared they're running in 2020... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #97
Interesting that a guy who hasn't even announced yet is in first place, by a LOT. George II Mar 2019 #99
Joes waiting until april to get in so he doesn't have to show .. aidbo Mar 2019 #119
He will not win the nomination. He'll probably be in the lower tier of candidates delegate-wise... George II Mar 2019 #91
Maybe we should wait to find out! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #98
We don't need another center right corporate dem with years of baggage that's for sure onit2day Mar 2019 #194
Why not at least nominate a progressive Democrat this time who is more representative of what InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #206
No. But we need more than regular voters coming out to vote. We need passionate, all out, support -- pnwmom Mar 2019 #35
He is saying... bobGandolf Mar 2019 #40
It is possible to support a candidate and work hard for them... brooklynite Mar 2019 #55
I agree that it is pretty basic common knowledge. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #56
Why is that funny? yardwork Mar 2019 #57
+∞ LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #81
No, he's saying that moderate Republicans and Independents will never vote for a socialist LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #79
I don't think anyone said that at all. And you're talking about "making this shit up"? George II Mar 2019 #87
Will they receive a special dispensation because they don't like Bernie? Autumn Mar 2019 #111
No u can't Daisy...these endless Bernie bashin threads are gettin repetitive & frankly a lil boring. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #152
They bash every post a Bernie supporter puts up and when there aren't any, vsrazdem Mar 2019 #254
Beyond desperate... and mostly just sad. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #256
What he's saying.. and it's Cha May 2019 #313
For all candidates we need to think how they can handle the republican attack machine. California_Republic Mar 2019 #4
Mayor Pete has a LOT working for him to offset the attack machine for being gay mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #18
"I have a decent amount of faith he can handle the attack machine ... True Dough Mar 2019 #46
All good points N/T bobGandolf Mar 2019 #41
They'll go right past the socialist label Mr.Bill Mar 2019 #158
I agree-- he seems to be the "Trump of the Left" preferring fighting to governing... TreasonousBastard Mar 2019 #5
I agree, Stuart! Just look at the history. Cha Mar 2019 #6
I also believe that sanders is not electable Gothmog Mar 2019 #7
I know I won't forget GWC58 Mar 2019 #47
I believe Sen. Sanders is electable. You can argue, but this is true Devil Child Mar 2019 #14
Thank you. shanny Mar 2019 #116
It is a bit much and over the top IMO shanny Devil Child Mar 2019 #145
As it stands currently, Biden is the most electable in the GE Socal31 Mar 2019 #16
I don't understand why people think Biden is electable JonLP24 Mar 2019 #29
The numbers suggest otherwise. Socal31 Mar 2019 #32
This is where I based my comment off of JonLP24 Mar 2019 #33
Data is more credible are this juncture than op-eds. Socal31 Mar 2019 #36
The OP is saying Sanders is not electable and not providing any data JonLP24 Mar 2019 #37
Socialism is the biggest gaffe out there. R B Garr Mar 2019 #65
Most people polled equate "socialism" with equality JonLP24 Mar 2019 #69
Democratic Socialism DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #108
Actually, most people equate socialism with government control. R B Garr Mar 2019 #109
Most people according to the poll said equality JonLP24 Mar 2019 #244
A poll, one, doesn't change the government R B Garr Mar 2019 #247
I'm sure that when the Republicans were calling Obama a "socialist," namahage Mar 2019 #243
Me too. shanny Mar 2019 #117
But Bernie isn't the past? TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #203
Bernie has an "Established in 1990" plaque on his office door. betsuni Mar 2019 #204
On DU he is not treestar May 2019 #294
I already went through the "electable" arguments last time JonLP24 May 2019 #296
I also think that Joe Biden is the most electable candidate Gothmog Mar 2019 #141
I agree.....100%! chillfactor Mar 2019 #17
And he thinks the reason Trump won was because Dems ignored the working class. betsuni Mar 2019 #19
Yes, he's dead set on that.. Cha Mar 2019 #21
Keeping a straight face here. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #25
That's because Bernie has a yuuuuuge ego. yardwork Mar 2019 #59
In a nutshell, yep. LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #82
I always liked Bernie but you say you know best. rusty quoin Mar 2019 #20
i hear various... Mike Nelson Mar 2019 #22
I agree with you, but not for the same reasons. RDANGELO Mar 2019 #23
I still haven't figured out which candidate I like most Jarqui Mar 2019 #26
I don't know why this point is always overlooked: shanny Mar 2019 #118
"there is a large and virulent anti-Bernie faction here and I worry about PUMAs." Jarqui Mar 2019 #121
Makes sense. shanny Mar 2019 #134
There are a couple that are very unlikely for me Jarqui Mar 2019 #135
Why does this no infighting privilege other candidates? JonLP24 Mar 2019 #27
Time will tell, however any candidate not releasing their tax returns OnDoutside Mar 2019 #28
Only two Democratic candidates have released them Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #150
Out of how many who have actually declared? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2019 #257
agree! Thekaspervote Mar 2019 #34
The question for me is vlyons Mar 2019 #38
Yes some assholes will Freddie Mar 2019 #43
Or vote for Jill LIES stein like Cha Mar 2019 #49
Like BS's campaign co-chair, and his speechwriter, and his press secretary, and . . . LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #86
Yeah, like those suckers who encouraged Cha Mar 2019 #89
Since most Sanders supporters voted for Hillary in 2016 I think they will again. We know the Nanjeanne Mar 2019 #73
Did you vote for her? lunamagica Apr 2019 #283
Of course. Dont know anyone of my Bernie supporter friends who didn't. But we are all Nanjeanne Apr 2019 #284
Almost certainly, because they will double down on the "he got robbed" canard LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #84
If you look at some of his top staffers, they won't stay home but they won't vote for the Democrat. George II Mar 2019 #102
My word, never thought I'd see this OP. bobGandolf Mar 2019 #39
Thank you for this Freddie Mar 2019 #42
2016 changed things KayF Mar 2019 #44
You bet 2016 changed things. It's called Cha Mar 2019 #48
The "safe candidate lost", because some self-identified progressives refused to vote for the still_one Mar 2019 #66
Exactly LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #170
She had 3 opposition campaigns working against her. R B Garr Mar 2019 #67
+1. Opponents supercharged by Russian analytics and disinformation dalton99a Mar 2019 #88
Trump/Stein/Sanders/Putin/USM$M******! Cha Mar 2019 #93
Yes, indeed - Fox News and CNN being the most prominent 24/7 megaphones dalton99a Mar 2019 #95
& Andrea Mitchell.. But her emails. Cha Mar 2019 #96
And, as well as those you mentioned Cha Mar 2019 #92
And I believe that Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #50
who thought trump was electable? pick your favorite candidate and Kurt V. Mar 2019 #51
A lot of people thought Trump was electable; that's why we tried to warn Sanders supporters LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #80
Agreed. The past will be the same as the future. democratisphere Mar 2019 #52
+Millions! Cha Mar 2019 #53
If Bernie got the nomination, I have no doubt he'll go toe to toe with Trump. Kanoko Mar 2019 #54
BS is too Divisive.. he's made it clear Cha Mar 2019 #68
He has hired senior staff who are hostile to the Democratic party. ehrnst Mar 2019 #70
+1 dalton99a Mar 2019 #101
Bernie believes if he isn't the democratic nominee njhoneybadger Mar 2019 #58
Exactly. It's why he says in his rally speeches that he will support the Dem nominee and Nanjeanne Mar 2019 #76
A lot of similarities for sure. -NT. Amimnoch Mar 2019 #83
+1 dalton99a Mar 2019 #124
The single most important idea that we have in this forum in this group of people: honesty. Stuart G Mar 2019 #74
Bernie was never vetted in the 2016 primary campaign. kstewart33 Mar 2019 #105
Unelectable AND damaging the chances for the rest imo. Amimnoch Mar 2019 #75
Yes, and there is proof..if you accept it. Stuart G Mar 2019 #85
Amen! Cha Mar 2019 #94
Great post. dalton99a Mar 2019 #104
Sanders is having no friction with the other candidates Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #151
Google" David Sirota" "journalistic ethics" "political operative." ehrnst Mar 2019 #230
Sanders is wasting people's time and energy. And they will be angry when he goes nowhere. Again. PubliusEnigma Mar 2019 #78
Of course he's not electable. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #100
A guy that ran an extension cord to his basement apartment because he couldn't pay his bills LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #103
Anybody that reads my posts knows I am one of the most sanguine posters on our chances. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #106
The abomination has the entire GOP apparatus behind him dalton99a Mar 2019 #107
The data suggests Trump is an underdog and I believe he is. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #112
The idiot is no Superman. But we need a strong turnout driven by a strong ticket. dalton99a Mar 2019 #115
Exactly. You want to get people to vote for him again? Nominate a socialist carreer politician LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #123
Counterpoint: you're wrong. aidbo Mar 2019 #110
OK, I won't argue that you believe Bernie is not electable BobMcWan Mar 2019 #120
Thanks for this reply, Bob. RobertDevereaux Mar 2019 #133
How exactly will any president achieve Medicare for all? yardwork Mar 2019 #138
I will vote for our parties nominee no matter who. Stuart G Mar 2019 #139
I'm in Florida radical noodle Mar 2019 #196
If it's a referendum election Trump is likely done. If he can make it a choice he isn't. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #130
Thank goodness we have you to tell us what is true. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #137
Opinion: The myth of ideology, and why Democrats' energy isn't all on the left Gothmog Mar 2019 #142
So do you "believe," or is it "true"? Which is it? MadDAsHell Mar 2019 #144
If you say so. dogman Mar 2019 #146
I agree with the OP, to a point, as a Sanders supporter in 2016 BlueWI Mar 2019 #147
I agree. we can do it Mar 2019 #148
Last point - I want to lift up the name of George McGovern. BlueWI Mar 2019 #149
We need a candidate who is a loyal Democrat, who is a member of the Doodley Mar 2019 #153
"believe" being the key word. we have religious freedom, thank God. pdsimdars Mar 2019 #156
I am voting Democrat in November. Male of this what you will robbedvoter Mar 2019 #157
Interesting Freudian slip LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #168
I think that Sanders would take a coast to coast beating... MarianJack Mar 2019 #159
So do I. And then we are truly screwed. We can nominate someone who Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #189
Good Analysis Mjolnir1956 Mar 2019 #160
e: "We need to be totally united to beat them" thesquanderer Mar 2019 #162
Agree with you about Sanders zentrum Mar 2019 #163
It's definitely true that you believe that. No argument there. Gore1FL Mar 2019 #164
You admit that you believe Sanders isn't electable. man4allcats Mar 2019 #165
The OP is right.. BS is too Divisive. Cha Mar 2019 #169
Why not let the OP speak for her/himself? man4allcats Mar 2019 #174
The OP has spoken for hmself.. didn't you Cha Mar 2019 #175
So you admit that you and the OP have nothing more than opinion. man4allcats Mar 2019 #178
BS is too Divisive.. our Dems are more Cha Mar 2019 #181
I appreciate the match-up info. man4allcats Mar 2019 #185
And who is? quakerboy Mar 2019 #166
If BS is the answer ... it must be a terrible question n/t SFnomad Mar 2019 #167
Infight? RadicalProgressive Mar 2019 #171
Um. No. OhZone Mar 2019 #173
Exactly, OhZone! Aravois and Krugman weigh in on that, too.. Cha Mar 2019 #180
NO. BS is too divisive by his own Cha Mar 2019 #176
Last time around, BS supporters tried to blame things on Secretary Clinton SFnomad Mar 2019 #195
Messina Says Sanders Can't Beat Trump Gothmog Apr 2019 #273
Bernie is hoping for a brokered convention. Gothmog Apr 2019 #286
Maybe you are right or maybe you are wrong but regardless if Sanders should win the nomination cstanleytech Mar 2019 #183
You haven't learned yet what a corporate centrist with years of baggage does for the race? onit2day Mar 2019 #184
A Warren Sanders ticket will lose badly in the rustbelt states we must win. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #190
NO seta1950 Mar 2019 #188
It's way too soon to be having this discussion. Let the process flow first. YOHABLO Mar 2019 #205
Sanders will never be the nominee for two reasons madville Mar 2019 #210
I have removed some language from the original post. Sorry if I offended anyone Stuart G Mar 2019 #216
Didnt see the original post. For me this is simple, I will ONLY vote for a Democrat. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2019 #227
Shocking, another anti-Bernie post. nt USALiberal Mar 2019 #217
I stated an opinion in the original post. Stuart G Mar 2019 #218
I expect this to be the case for supporters of almost every candidate LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #228
Time for Ideas Not a Horserace: Campaign? McKim Mar 2019 #225
I agree customerserviceguy Mar 2019 #226
I agree, and for one primary reason: MineralMan Mar 2019 #231
Complete agreement, on all points LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #233
If he's nominated don't continue infighting. Aaron Pereira Mar 2019 #235
If he is nominated, I will zealously promote him to the very best of my ability. Period. LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #238
If he is nominated, I will support him as best I can. With money and work. We must win Stuart G Apr 2019 #265
What "institutional support within the Party" that "went to Nixon" are you talking about? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2019 #239
I don't know about "1972" but funny he didn't bring up 2016.. Cha Mar 2019 #249
You mean like the "mistake" they made Cha Mar 2019 #248
Never heard of Steven Leser before, glad to see him excited about Buttigieg Celerity Mar 2019 #258
The Democrats Trump Fears Most Gothmog Mar 2019 #245
If the economy is strong, trump can win Gothmog Mar 2019 #259
You are correct. He is not the answer. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #260
Bernie Sanders is not electable in this country Awsi Dooger Mar 2019 #261
Unfortunately I think you are correct..Using Florida as an example is perfect. Stuart G Mar 2019 #263
I was all in on Sanders in 2016 Horse with no Name Mar 2019 #262
Washington Post-'Electability' and 'Bernie' don't belong in the same sentence Gothmog Apr 2019 #264
If sanders is the nominee, trump wins Gothmog Apr 2019 #266
According to this study trump could win Gothmog Apr 2019 #267
According to this study trump could win Gothmog Apr 2019 #268
So, I will say again..If Bernie is nominated, he already has divided the Democratic Party.!!! Stuart G Apr 2019 #270
According to Jim Messina, trump will beat sanders easily Gothmog Apr 2019 #272
Why just call out Sanders? artislife Apr 2019 #275
The voters will decide this and they like him across party lines. BeckyDem Apr 2019 #276
This message was self-deleted by its author doompatrol39 Apr 2019 #277
He is unless moderates decide to sit out the election if they don't get their way. doompatrol39 Apr 2019 #278
Agreed 100% NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #279
sanders want to get the nomination with only 30% support Gothmog Apr 2019 #281
Nate Silver- Sanders Can Win, But He Isn't Polling Like A Favorite Gothmog Apr 2019 #285
The choice may be Woke or Win Gothmog Apr 2019 #287
Opinion: If the economy keeps its momentum, 2020 will be Trump's to lose Gothmog May 2019 #288
I saw the light musicman65 May 2019 #289
bernie didn't even vote for mcgovern Otto Lidenbrock May 2019 #292
Get behind the nominee, whoever that is. Iggo May 2019 #293
I worked Beatleman May 2019 #295
can they just stop saying johannsyah May 2019 #297
Yeah, just like the bloated asshole currently sitting in the WH wasn't electable in 2016 either. mtnsnake May 2019 #298
Most Believe Socialism Is Not American Gothmog May 2019 #300
Most Americans don't know what "Socialism" is.. Stuart G May 2019 #301
But then many Americans who say they support Socialism emmaverybo May 2019 #304
This grows more and more true daily nt Celerity May 2019 #305
If Bernie loses support among youth, what is left??? Gothmog May 2019 #306
The message. aikoaiko May 2019 #307
sanders was counting on a brokered convention Gothmog May 2019 #308
I understand what you're saying and if things stay the same, you'll be right. aikoaiko May 2019 #309
Kick because of the ridiculous Biden copycat thread...nt SidDithers May 2019 #310
Agreed Gothmog May 2019 #312
Well said. Kick. WeekiWater May 2019 #311
Gallop-Less Than Half in U.S. Would Vote for a Socialist for President Gothmog May 2019 #314
Who is best musicman65 May 2019 #315
Bernie's mystery Soviet tapes revealed Gothmog May 2019 #316
This is interesting Gothmog May 2019 #317
New CNN poll: A majority of Americans say they think President Trump is going to win a second term Gothmog Jun 2019 #318
Washington Post-Sanders wants Americans to buy into socialism. He's got some convincing to do Gothmog Jun 2019 #319
New poll: Capitalism is more popular than socialism Gothmog Jun 2019 #320
Thanks, Goth.. Cha Jun 2019 #321
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