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Buzz cook

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55. A concerted effort by her opponents and the media
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:34 PM
Dec 2019

To keep the Overton window to the right.

The majority of voters did support M4A, now they don't' That's because they are being poorly informed.

Biden is of course the liar in chief by conflating the cost of insuring all Americans with M4A. Adding the cost of inclusion as if it doesn't effect any health care plan that tries to be universal.

He also uses the lie that payments to medicare are a tax. They are not. Just as with SSI, Medicare/Medicaid are insurance payments. No tax increase involved you just change insurers.

The cost of M4A is dwarfed by the cost of keeping our current system. Even the minor changes that right wing democrats propose are bandages,

Of course Biden is not alone in this, Buttigieg, who earlier this year said M4A/single payer was the compromise position, has now compromised that to .. what? a public option of some sort.

Of course the media as always is the main culprit in this. From constant questioning of cost, to asserting M4A as too costly was a very short evolution.
As I've pointed out elsewhere only Warren and Sanders have been asked to define policy positions in detail. All of the other candidates have health care plans that will cost trillions of dollars over that ten year period that Warren and Sanders have had to justify, and the media doesn't say boo about that. Even when those plans may cost more than M4A or only cost less because they don't cover all Americas.

Mayor Pete was right, M4A is the compromise position. The full loaf would be a national health care system such as Britain has.
Yet here we have the media and senior democrats beating back the compromise, just to keep a system that is a white elephant.
The cost savings and carry on benefits are enormous with M4A and we're being asked to ignore that so as to protect the feelings of for pay insurance and because we're too afraid we'll be called commies.

To quote Joe Biden, "We're better than this".

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
why? evertonfc Dec 2019 #1
What happened to Chris Cillizza? OilemFirchen Dec 2019 #2
Majority of Dems do not support her healthcare plans and others helpisontheway Dec 2019 #3
Yeah, this. wellst0nev0ter Dec 2019 #62
She screwed up on M45. She got on the defense. But leadership is knowing how to emmaverybo Dec 2019 #4
Bernie up. Bernie down. Biden up. Biden Down. Warren up. Warren down. Mayor Pete up... progressoid Dec 2019 #5
Biden's been the front-runner all year. highplainsdem Dec 2019 #8
All politics are local. progressoid Dec 2019 #13
Says the undecided one. SCVDem Dec 2019 #14
Not undecided. progressoid Dec 2019 #17
I perfectly understand SCVDem Dec 2019 #21
no prob. progressoid Dec 2019 #22
A relatively young moderate exboyfil Dec 2019 #51
I like Klobuchar a lot, too. nt tblue37 Dec 2019 #58
I don't doubt there has been a decline...but was she ever really ahead? and are the numbers Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #6
Two Main Reasons colsohlibgal Dec 2019 #7
"female" is a cop out. If Michelle Obama were running she'd be leaps ahead of everyone. oldsoftie Dec 2019 #11
I think you'll find hundreds/thousands of posts on DU about Hillary losing because she is a woman. progressoid Dec 2019 #15
Sexism is more complicated than people saying they won't vote for a woman. StevieM Dec 2019 #20
Yeah. But I worked for a rabid RWer in the Bill Clinton years. progressoid Dec 2019 #26
And this explains Warren's dip how? emmaverybo Dec 2019 #30
I never said it did. StevieM Dec 2019 #32
Fair enough. emmaverybo Dec 2019 #43
The Golden Couple Have Private Everything When It Comes To Email Me. Dec 2019 #49
Oh definitely. People dont want to look at the REAL reasons; just excuses. oldsoftie Dec 2019 #40
Yes, we shall see. BlueMTexpat Dec 2019 #33
She was female a month ago too. n/t Chemisse Dec 2019 #35
Hahahahahahaha! oldsoftie Dec 2019 #41
Does it not ocurr to you that if she can't get Democrats on board, she has no chance in a general? Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #56
Chris Cillizza and the constant drumbeat of the media's pundit class blm Dec 2019 #9
This. BlueMTexpat Dec 2019 #34
Bingo loyalsister Dec 2019 #64
Looks Like Cilizza Has Him A New HRC Me. Dec 2019 #10
✔️ blm Dec 2019 #19
Always telling when people attack the motives of the messenger rather than the facts of the message brooklynite Dec 2019 #47
THe Messenger Has A History Of Misogyny Me. Dec 2019 #48
MFA, proposals that can't be paid for and people know it, and a few other Hoyt Dec 2019 #12
+1000 Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #23
Good point about "demonizing the rich" when they Cha Dec 2019 #24
+1000 emmaverybo Dec 2019 #31
Excellent points. n/t Tarheel_Dem Dec 2019 #38
I wouldn't say she Turin_C3PO Dec 2019 #39
Remember the "luxury tax" from 20-30 yrs back. Total flop. oldsoftie Dec 2019 #42
She tried to please everone on MFA ritapria Dec 2019 #16
I'm surprised people here have not explored what the first two years would actually look like. crazytown Dec 2019 #18
Bernie's MFA Bill has a four-year transition period with a public option BeyondGeography Dec 2019 #25
As a Warren supporter I think you have this right. Aaron Pereira Dec 2019 #61
I heard she won endorsement of San DIego Democrats this week, but skipped the CA convention. Liberty Belle Dec 2019 #27
IIRC, the November poll had a higher sample of moderates and conservatives Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #28
She waffled way too much in the debates relayerbob Dec 2019 #29
The Medicare For All plan became less popular over the past few months. Chemisse Dec 2019 #36
Actually, health care was the issue she talked about the least BeyondGeography Dec 2019 #37
If she isn't talking about health care, she should be. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #52
I think she has sort of run out of steam. MineralMan Dec 2019 #44
This is absurd. TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #45
Well to be fair at that time she was on an upward trajectory and Biden was sinking then.. honest.abe Dec 2019 #53
Thank you for backing up how ignorant the statement is. NT TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #54
She's doomed. Doomed. crazytown Dec 2019 #46
I was actually surprised with her high numbers back in October. honest.abe Dec 2019 #50
A concerted effort by her opponents and the media Buzz cook Dec 2019 #55
Biden "Liar in Chief"? brooklynite Dec 2019 #59
What's with the "liar in chief" insult to Biden??? honest.abe Dec 2019 #60
Biden has lied about M$A. That's just a fact. Buzz cook Dec 2019 #66
Thanks for posting a jumble of numbers that few can decipher. honest.abe Dec 2019 #67
She hurt herself with M4A & with not being able to name more than 3 important black influences. nt tblue37 Dec 2019 #57
Good faith? Worry-mongering? fpublic Dec 2019 #63
I know I'm a broken record, but The Mouth Dec 2019 #65
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