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66. Sanders is a social libertarian
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:03 PM
Dec 2019

who supports civil/gay/women's rights from that perspective, but isn't going to draw a line in the sand the way a social liberal would. Warren for example has the same/similar economic platform as Sanders, yet is disliked intensely (just as much as Hillary was) by the white heartland, because she is a fierce social liberal and a woman.

Basically Sanders would prefer that his voters support civil rights, but if they don't, as long as they support economic leftism - then he thinks that's good enough, as to him economics/class are the 'true oppression', where social issues are merely a side concern at best, and at worst only work to 'divide' the working class. He has given numerous speeches to this effect, about 'identity politics', about reaching out to Trump voters (and downplaying their racism/sexism), about not scaring away the white working class, etc.

Again, a social liberal, or 'social justice warrior' as some of his supporters would characterize it - does not view social justice as a choice but a mandate - the 'long march' of civil rights through the institutions of society, to correct historical inequities. Even a moderate social liberal like Bill Clinton or Obama viewed it this way, merely choosing incrementalism towards this end and making compromises along the way, while still believing in the ultimate goal in the long run.

And Sanders' supporters (who are mainly white) understand all of this on an intuitive level - that he isn't forcing them to accept social justice (in the short or long run), as long as they support his economic leftism and his populist narratives, which (surprise surprise) tend to center the white working class at its struggles and resentments, its small town sensibilities, its aesthetic - just like the old FDR/Dixiecrat Dem party used to.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
CNN surprised to find own head up own butt. A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2019 #1
lol LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #2
LMFAO!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #26
Seriously!! Bernie has support everywhere!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #76
Bernie Wawannabe Dec 2019 #3
Why so excited? LaurenOlimina Dec 2019 #4
Why so sarcastic and rude? Wawannabe Dec 2019 #6
Oh my! demmiblue Dec 2019 #13
You emulate your candidate well. LaurenOlimina Dec 2019 #19
Lack of energy and enthusiasm for Biden (and from him) are much underestimated! I would emmaverybo Dec 2019 #32
As you do a disservice to yours. LanternWaste Dec 2019 #73
sigh LaurenOlimina Dec 2019 #75
!!!!!!!!!!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #77
He can win, and he absolutely deserves it. He's paid his dues for longer than most. LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #7
Not! nt Wawannabe Dec 2019 #8
American people deserve a Sanders administration... Wawannabe Dec 2019 #9
I am getting close to a decision. I take it seriously LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #10
The poster that you are responding to TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #34
Thanks Texas Towelie for pointing that out. Wawannabe Dec 2019 #37
Yes TT is correct LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #47
The article specifically says it would be independents treestar Dec 2019 #59
Independents do not have their own party LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #62
The Senate will still be treestar Dec 2019 #69
"He would have to include a lot of those in the administration." Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #68
So, it's "His Turn"? What does has he paid to the Democrats? Ninsianna Dec 2019 #84
He has to earn the votes for it to be His Turn. Give me a reason to vote for him. betsuni Dec 2019 #90
Many see Sanders as what Democrats are supposed to be booley Dec 2019 #14
+1000 LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #16
it was spun derisively as "winning the confederacy..." LanternWaste Dec 2019 #74
Not really sure I understand that word salad. booley Dec 2019 #95
WELL SAID!! All Democrats would be smart to emulate Bernie... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #80
what does that mean? he doesn't deserve it? Actually i know. It's inherent . no its not. Kurt V. Dec 2019 #27
By your logic, it's Biden who can't win the nomination, since he couldn't win it in 1988 AND 2008 InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #28
Look at it this way CozyMystery Dec 2019 #44
Lucky indeed!! Why Bernie is a beloved Democratic icon. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #83
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #5
so much for the victim status of bernie not getting any media coverage nt msongs Dec 2019 #11
"He's being ERASED!" :eyes: NurseJackie Dec 2019 #12
Well it sounds like Bernie burned a few nerves. JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #17
I just can't abide by anyone claiming that the Democratic party is ideologically bankrupt... NurseJackie Dec 2019 #21
I feel like failure everyday. JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #22
How do you feel about the attacks and smears on the Democratic party that I mentioned above? NurseJackie Dec 2019 #23
Not nearly as sorry as I feel for folks without insurance who lose everything... JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #24
Right on Joe!! Bernie is a hero to those whose lives hang in the balance. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #30
The lies and smears only benefit the GOP. It weakens the Democratic party by creating division.... NurseJackie Dec 2019 #33
And yet, in all these years, he hasn't legislatively helped any of those.... George II Dec 2019 #38
Please don't include me in your sweeping generalization. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #43
Those lies and smears generate negativity. Negativity... NurseJackie Dec 2019 #31
Why is this so hard to understand? mcar Dec 2019 #39
It's the trap of the cult of personality... and vanity. NurseJackie Dec 2019 #42
I feel terrible for those people too, all the discussion is about Ninsianna Dec 2019 #85
I think that Bernie burned some bridges along the way also. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #35
There was also Matt Orfalea and Darius Khalil Gordon. I'll leave it at that. George II Dec 2019 #40
The video is from The Rationa National. lapucelle Dec 2019 #79
And how much time does he get compared to those other four stalwards? LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #18
... sheshe2 Dec 2019 #54
The topic was Michael Moore's appearances. Not Sanders. LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #63
K n R ! Thanks for posting! nt JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #15
Kentucky has the correct demographic...nt SidDithers Dec 2019 #20
Bernie has a D next to his name last I checked. Joe941 Dec 2019 #25
Yep. And he is part of the Senate Democratic Leadership Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #29
Do you know what the function of that "leadership" position is? It's essentially a do-nothing job. George II Dec 2019 #41
And for good reason!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #81
The last time I checked he still was the independent senator from Vermont TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #36
You haven't check lately then... Joe941 Dec 2019 #45
Bernie also signed a pledge that he wouldn't attack other Democratic candidates TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #48
BS claimed he'd remain a Democrat forever the last time. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #49
Link please Kentonio Dec 2019 #71
"Sanders' campaign says he'll stay a Democrat after election" [2016] The Valley Below Dec 2019 #72
Bernie has to defend himself. He is constantly being attacked from all sides. Joe941 Dec 2019 #55
It's one thing to play defense and I accept that all candidates will have to do that within the TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #56
DU has been telling be that Bernie has been in free fall for months. Joe941 Dec 2019 #58
I don't expect to be voting for him TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #60
Interesting Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #86
Oh well, my farce was discovered. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #87
I also found the CNN poll for Texas extremely interesting today. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #88
. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #70
Attacked how? booley Dec 2019 #64
I can't reply without giving you the opportunity to alert my post. nt TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #67
BOOOOOOOOM!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #82
Yes, Bernie is running as a Democrat and will serve as the next Democratic POTUS. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #46
I wouldn't count on it. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #50
I am... there's no stoppin the unbeatable team of Bernie & Elizabeth!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #51
Sanders and Clinton Wabbajack_ Dec 2019 #52
No surprise, he's the hero of the white left, radius777 Dec 2019 #53
+10000000000000000000000 betsuni Dec 2019 #57
Righteous truth right there. BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #61
Since when do only white people care about health care? booley Dec 2019 #65
Sanders is a social libertarian radius777 Dec 2019 #66
The more I read the less I thought you had ever listened to Bernie Sanders booley Dec 2019 #92
The Rational National... lapucelle Dec 2019 #78
Another CNN Surprise corbettkroehler Dec 2019 #91
The Bernie Blackout is very real LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #93
Reminds me of the buildup to the Iraq War booley Dec 2019 #94
Good analogy boo LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #96
Already setting up the narrative for when Bernie isn't chosen to be the nominee? TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #97
Thanks for your support for Bernie! LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #98
Well, TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #99
Yourself and Nurse Jackie are the only two I've seen pull this stunt LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #101
You're welcome to do so. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #102
OMG you"ve revealed the real culprits LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #103
Well, what is this all abut? TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #104
BTW. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #100
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