Democratic Primaries

billpolonsky

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7. Self reflection is unnecessary...

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 05:47 PM

Dec 2019

...if you think everything was great before and don't plan to do anything new.

The Establishment is a dominant group or élite that holds power or authority in a nation or in an organisation. It may comprise a closed social group that selects its own members, or entrenched élite structures in specific institutions. One can refer to any relatively small class or group of people that can exercise control as The Establishment. Conversely, in the jargon of sociology, anyone who does not belong to The Establishment may be labelled an "outsider&quot as opposed to an "insider&quot .

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[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Establishment|

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Nancy Pelosi, "Establishment Democrat," was elected the same year as Bernie & is the same age [View all] Cha Dec 2019 OP

So your definition of establishment democrats is based on age and year elected? Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #1

Your post has nothing to do with the OP. Cha Dec 2019 #2

"Nancy Pelosi, "Establishment Democrat," was elected the same year as Bernie & is the same age " Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #3

Nancy Pelosi with the help of the Moderate Dems who Cha Dec 2019 #4

Yeah right?! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #17

To Nancy Pelosi.. our National Treasure! Cha Dec 2019 #24

Seems to be a thing...among the far left wing.* Scurrilous Dec 2019 #66

Wow.. thanks for that, Scurrilous.. & then Dennis Cha Dec 2019 #94

You're welcome Cha! Scurrilous Dec 2019 #125

Establishment vs Established. progressoid Dec 2019 #136

So, which are you referring to? ehrnst Dec 2019 #147

"Ruling Class" StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #151

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2019 #155

Your post has Nothing to do with the OP.. Cha Dec 2019 #160

+1000. ehrnst Dec 2019 #172

Mahalo, ehrnst! Cha Dec 2019 #175

I agree Gothmog Dec 2019 #185

Thank you, Goth! Cha Dec 2019 #186

So what, progressoid? What are you trying to say? Cha Dec 2019 #187

".. ruling class.. "? What are you trying to say? Cha Jan 2020 #190

Wrong. Cha Jan 2020 #196

Well, let's take a look... Sloumeau Dec 2019 #23

When BS says he will take on the "establishment" Dems.. Cha Dec 2019 #115

Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #137

It appears to be based on the accomplishments from that time treestar Dec 2019 #133

There is essentially one candidate who goes out of his way to marginalize what he characterizes still_one Dec 2019 #5

Excellent post, still_one.. Thank you! Cha Dec 2019 #6

"There is essentially one candidate..." myohmy2 Dec 2019 #81

So let me understand this. Are you agreeing with the right wing talking point? still_one Dec 2019 #95

Ha! More WhataboutBiden from you.. you can't Cha Dec 2019 #112

...Actually, another candidate sends out others to do in their stead... ehrnst Dec 2019 #144

Self reflection is unnecessary... billpolonsky Dec 2019 #7

BS is the "establishment" just bc he's tries to use it as a slur it means Cha Dec 2019 #9

The Democratic Party WON the House Thanks to Nancy Cha Jan 2020 #195

I love Nancy Pelosi! The Valley Below Dec 2019 #8

MeToo :) Sloumeau Dec 2019 #10

Yes, Nancy is a National Treasure.. a Uniter not a Divider.. Cha Dec 2019 #19

Sorry, Senator Bernie Sanders, I love the Democratic Establishment. :) Sloumeau Dec 2019 #11

Yes, the Democratic Establishment lke John Lewis, Nancy Pelosi Cha Dec 2019 #106

The minute anyone gets to the point where they have the experience to actually get things done StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #148

Precisely, Starfish.. it's another Cha Dec 2019 #163

Maybe we take the time to listen to what Sanders actually says booley Dec 2019 #12

Oh don't worry, we do understand what he means by the establishment. It's not good. George II Dec 2019 #14

Then what is it? booley Dec 2019 #50

BS doesn't say what it is in the video. It's an applause line. lapucelle Dec 2019 #68

He gave a long list of people and institutions who he says oppose his policies booley Dec 2019 #70

A publicity stunt at Speaker Pelosi's office isn't local news... lapucelle Dec 2019 #84

Bit of a double standerd there booley Dec 2019 #96

"When people protest at Sanders office, they are grassroots" betsuni Dec 2019 #100

BS's own constituants protesting 10+ weekends against a BS program lapucelle Dec 2019 #117

Brilliant post, lapucelle. Thank you for laying Cha Dec 2019 #118

And there's this as well. lapucelle Dec 2019 #119

"Bernie Sanders is wrong -- twice -- in claim about defense budget voting record" Cha Dec 2019 #122

Thank you! sheshe2 Dec 2019 #152

Fact checkers that contradict Senator Sanders are suspect and in the pocket of ehrnst Dec 2019 #158

Sometimes I just have to wonder if it's just plain envy on the part of her haters. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2019 #146

Ha!.. BS gets protested for.. Cha Dec 2019 #103

Oh my! betsuni Dec 2019 #104

Now that's a real protest.. not some grandstanding "publicity stunt" Cha Dec 2019 #105

That's interesting. For many, that would be "disqualifying" in any other candidate. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2019 #145

omg,, YES! BS would be out there BLASTING Cha Dec 2019 #164

From your link. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #153

When one has ambitions far beyond representing one's home state ehrnst Dec 2019 #154

Sadly, true. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #156

Thank you for that, she! I feel for those people.. Cha Dec 2019 #166

So much for the Green New Deal. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #169

Yeah, don't talk to us Cha Dec 2019 #170

Anyone who disagrees with his economic policies. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #72

Here: betsuni Dec 2019 #82

Yeah, we've been paying attention for years. Cha Dec 2019 #107

Yes, good assessment KSNY Dec 2019 #15

Yes, and its so absurdly dismissive booley Dec 2019 #56

This isn't about "age".. the OP is saying BS Cha Dec 2019 #16

+1000 Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #20

Did you read the OP? booley Dec 2019 #54

You don't "understand" anything about me.. stop trying to act Cha Dec 2019 #79

You're right, I dont' know you. And you dont' know me booley Dec 2019 #97

Your Distraction about "AGE" is NOT Working. Cha Dec 2019 #99

She wrote the damn OP. lapucelle Dec 2019 #87

omg betsuni Dec 2019 #92

Yes I know booley Dec 2019 #98

"maybe she just didn't read what she was posting" betsuni Dec 2019 #101

It's not. It's evident the poster Cha Dec 2019 #110

lol! Cha Dec 2019 #109

IKR? ehrnst Dec 2019 #157

I don't even comment on Bernie Posts here RazBerryBeret Dec 2019 #31

That's right.. many of us don't like Cha Dec 2019 #102

Your post is trying to distract from what the Cha Dec 2019 #108

We know BS by.. thanks anyway. Cha Jan 2020 #189

Excellent tweet and post! Establishment Democrats made our party what it is today, and.... George II Dec 2019 #13

The video refers to the "establishment's" opposition to single payer healthcare KSNY Dec 2019 #18

Bull. Biden's Health plan is favored by more Voters and he's Cha Dec 2019 #21

Biden's plan is favored over Medicare for all? Citation? booley Dec 2019 #41

Here you go: ehrnst Dec 2019 #149

The "Establishment" isn't against single payer and it's NOT partly due to the influence... George II Dec 2019 #22

Do you have any proof? OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author booley Dec 2019 #45

sure, the context of the video KSNY Dec 2019 #53

Exactly how is that slanderous in a legal sense? n/t MarcA Dec 2019 #60

No, that's why Republicans oppose any attempt at universal health care. betsuni Dec 2019 #49

Agreed. An inconvenient truth for some. And certainly Not MarcA Dec 2019 #55

Is it possible that they don't think treestar Dec 2019 #134

Of which there are two essentially. YOHABLO Dec 2019 #27

Yeah, BS ignores all that the Brilliant Achievements that the Dem Party has Accomplished Cha Dec 2019 #123

Besides Bernie can't walk in high heels. Nor look as good. YOHABLO Dec 2019 #25

Looks have nothing to do with this.. Nancy is a Uniter Cha Dec 2019 #28

Nancy is not running for President of the Untied States. YOHABLO Dec 2019 #30

Really! Joe Biden is.. and he's Uniter, too! Cha Dec 2019 #39

Okay, what ever you say. YOHABLO Dec 2019 #43

Whatevs. ehrnst Dec 2019 #74

I speak the truth.. so yeah. Cha Dec 2019 #80

The "whatever" response ehrnst Dec 2019 #140

Yeah, he's a uniter. Just look at all the Democrats uniting behind him!! progressoid Dec 2019 #138

Biden sure as hell isn't a divider. Cha Dec 2019 #161

So why is Bernie saying that he's taking on "the Democratic Establishment?" ehrnst Dec 2019 #73

The "Democratic Establshment" is on the Front Lines Fighting Cha Dec 2019 #162

Nancy opposes MFA and the Green New Deal ritapria Dec 2019 #26

So! Nancy wants to WIN and thinks Building on ACA/:Obamacare Cha Dec 2019 #33

Neither of those two, as presented, are practical, sensible, or passable. George II Dec 2019 #35

But when Pelosi disagrees with someone, she just says they have a difference of opinion StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #165

+1 betsuni Dec 2019 #167

"Establishment" as a derogatory term is such a drawback to the Nixon era, it's funny beastie boy Dec 2019 #29

beastie boy, hahaha. Sloumeau Dec 2019 #37

Mahalo, beastie! Cha Dec 2019 #40

"Establishment" took me way back, when I was wearing an afro and bell bottom jeans. beastie boy Dec 2019 #44

I was too white and my hair too blond to ever have a an afro... Sloumeau Dec 2019 #52

Technically, I am white too, but some Jews used to don mean afros back then. beastie boy Dec 2019 #57

Hahaha, yes, Seth Rogen has been known to sport a fine looking one of those. :) Sloumeau Dec 2019 #59

Well that clears that up! Cha Dec 2019 #114

Oh yeah.. Groovy! Cha Dec 2019 #71

"Us" and "Them": Democrats are lumped in with Trump/Republicans and evil corporations as "Them." betsuni Dec 2019 #32

You said it, betsuni! :) Sloumeau Dec 2019 #36

Thank you. ehrnst Dec 2019 #75

Yeah.. he is fooling NO ONE. Cha Dec 2019 #93

How odd that you are calling Planned Parenthood an Establishment Democrat. You know Autumn Dec 2019 #38

He did however call them part of the Establishment. nt sheshe2 Dec 2019 #42

He didn't say anything about Planned Parenthood in that clip. And PP is not Autumn Dec 2019 #48

Not in that clip. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #51

I'm certainly denying that he said PP is part of the Establishment in the clip the OP posted. Autumn Dec 2019 #58

OP: "Planned Parenthood is the 'establishment' ... ." betsuni Dec 2019 #83

SHE DIDN'T CALL PLANNED PARENTHOOD AN ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRAT. lapucelle Dec 2019 #89

Yeah, she kind of did. She lumped an organization in with "the Establishment Dems". Autumn Dec 2019 #141

That's actually using the term in a way that points out how "non-establishment" they really are. ehrnst Dec 2019 #142

She included the unfortunately telling "PP is the establishment" gaffe lapucelle Dec 2019 #143

+1 progressoid Dec 2019 #139

Hey! paleotn Dec 2019 #46

That should burn anyone with a shred of self-awareness Hekate Dec 2019 #47

The Internet is singing with multiple memes of Nancy socking it to the Establishment, & looking good NBachers Dec 2019 #61

If you've been in Congress for 35 years and you're NOT "establishment," you're doing it wrong StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #62

Thanks a million establishment Dems! We wouldn't be where we are today without ya! jalan48 Dec 2019 #63

We've IMPEACHED trump with the Democratic Cha Dec 2019 #90

I support Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Party Gothmog Dec 2019 #64

Yes, I support the "Establishment" that BS is Cha Dec 2019 #126

+1 TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #65

Nice infighting here. warmfeet Dec 2019 #67

Yes, its pathetic. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #69

So you obvilusly missed this Eliot Rosewater Dec 2019 #77

Compare their records of achievement also...the results are stunning. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2019 #76

K&R. Thanks, Cha! highplainsdem Dec 2019 #78

He's a year and a half younger Polybius Dec 2019 #85

Yeah, I knew that.. but this is about Cha Dec 2019 #91

So tired of that guy. W_HAMILTON Dec 2019 #86

Bernie is losing it PhoenixDem Dec 2019 #88

So it all comes down to if you want status quo, vote Joe. If you want a better way, vote Warren or brutus smith Dec 2019 #111

BS Disses himself. We call him out. There are no "status quo" Cha Dec 2019 #113

Status quo right now is Trump and Republicans. betsuni Dec 2019 #116

I didn't diss any Dems. Nice try tho! brutus smith Dec 2019 #127

Yes, you did: "if you want status quo, vote Joe" LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #130

Aaaaa, no I didn't. I made an observation brutus smith Dec 2019 #131

Status quo is another such term treestar Dec 2019 #135

Thank You!!! Peacetrain Dec 2019 #120

Exactly well put, Peacetrain! "It's time to stand up for our Cha Dec 2019 #124

Yeah, lots of luck with that Bernie. cwydro Dec 2019 #121

Why is being an establishement Democrat a bad thing? Gothmog Dec 2019 #128

I completely agree. cwydro Dec 2019 #129

+1 TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #150

When will he take on the Republicans? treestar Dec 2019 #132

Well, Biden's taking on trump NOW! Cha Dec 2019 #159

+1 treestar Dec 2019 #171

Divisive rhetoric NYMinute Dec 2019 #168

Way too Diviive! It never ends. Cha Dec 2019 #174

I stand with Spezker Pelosi Gothmog Dec 2019 #173

And there it is underthematrix Dec 2019 #176

Thank you for this, underthematrix! Cha Dec 2019 #177

Thank you. I really really try to avoid criticizing any of the candidates but underthematrix Dec 2019 #178

+1 betsuni Dec 2019 #179

I like being an Establishment Democrat Gothmog Dec 2019 #180

Thank you for that, Goth.. it shows Cha Dec 2019 #181

It takes years of hard work to earn a slot to the National Convention Gothmog Dec 2019 #182

And, most of us Appreciate all the diligence of Dems who Cha Dec 2019 #183

If the Democratic Establishment is so terrible, why'd they impeach Trump? betsuni Dec 2019 #184

We're not suppose to notice Cha Jan 2020 #188

Nancy Pelosi! Cha Jan 2020 #191

K&R RandySF Jan 2020 #192

I WISH we were a country where Pelosi and Planned Parenthood were "establishment" (nt) ehrnst Jan 2020 #193

Amen! Cha Jan 2020 #194