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betsuni

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65. "he was obviously an extraordinary candidate, brilliant man."
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 03:04 AM
Dec 2019

He was president for eight years, not a "candidate." Leader of the Democratic Party. He didn't just read speeches on the teleprompter at rallies and be charismatic. Responsible for the "business model" of "failure." Bernie doesn't seem to know that there was a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate for only four months and ten days when Democrats had that two year slight majority and unprecedented Republican obstruction the full eight years. The Republican Patty is organized crime/radically right-wing insane -- there is no "both sides."

As if Democrats could do anything they wanted but didn't, and as we know from the thousands of times he's said it, he thinks it's because of corruption: "The point that I make over and over ... is the ideas that I talk about are the ideas that the American people want. They don't get it because you've got a Congress indebted to wealthy campaign contributors."

So how was President Obama corrupt, Bernie? As Hillary Clinton pointed out: "President Obama took more money from Wall Street in 2008 than anybody ever had. And when it came time to stand up to Wall Street, he passed and signed the toughest regulations since the Great Depression, with the Dodd-Frank regulations."

And no, the ACA was not (as I've so often seen) some sort of proof of being in the pocket of Big Pharma and insurance. The bill with a public option passed Congress, couldn't get through the Senate because of a handful of moderates (obviously no Republican votes). Bernie knew how hard it was, that single payer was out of the question (2010): "I would say that in the Senate, there are at most 10 votes for a single payer plan. In the House I have no idea, but it's a small minority. It's absurd to say, 'Mr. President, go forward and make your bill single payer' when you've got 10% of the Congress supports you."

If he thinks Democrats are corrupt and failures, he should give examples. If he knows of elected officials taking bribes, why doesn't he expose them? It's baffling!

And the idea that Americans are carefully examining the Democratic and Republican platforms and rejecting the Democrats because it's not progressive enough so they'd rather go with Republicans is:

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Yeah, not taking any advice from BS. Cha Dec 2019 #1
I'm so tired evertonfc Dec 2019 #2
You're wrong. Scotch-Irish Dec 2019 #4
You're wrong Hekate Dec 2019 #6
Wrong... we will unite around Bernie. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #52
No we won't. MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #69
Polling doesn't indicate that outcome. nt fleabiscuit Dec 2019 #77
Not quite yet... but I see the polls turning in Bernie's favor. Of course, ultimately, the voters InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #80
Count me as outraged as well!! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #3
That is Bernie's schtick since the dawn of time & it has gotten very old for some of us. Hekate Dec 2019 #5
Bernie Always Critisises Republican Scum DanieRains Dec 2019 #7
Bernie did his part in revving up the attack machine against HRC and the establishment Dems. Lexee Dec 2019 #14
Yes he did! nt jrthin Dec 2019 #56
exactly Champion Jack Dec 2019 #29
"Far from perfect?" ehrnst Dec 2019 #33
Thank you for that... Bernie's heart is ALWAYS in the right place!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #53
Yeah.. he "tries" hard to bash my Cha Dec 2019 #63
I don't understand why the leadership allows him to play this "I'm a Dem when it's useful" game. cwydro Dec 2019 #16
I don't either. After 2016 I felt like, "Fool me once..." you know? Hekate Dec 2019 #31
+1000. ehrnst Dec 2019 #34
I agree. yardwork Dec 2019 #19
re: "he patronizingly dismissed President Obama on MLK day" thesquanderer Dec 2019 #8
People keep bringing up that "over the last 10 years Democrats have lost about 1,000 seats"... George II Dec 2019 #12
The quote was from before the 2018 elections. thesquanderer Dec 2019 #17
It's closer to 900 than it is to 1,000 - why not use 900? And in one day in November 2018.... George II Dec 2019 #36
Actually, I just googled, and found a number of references that it was *over* a thousand. thesquanderer Dec 2019 #42
The numbers aren't really the issue. It is the alleged cause of the losses. dansolo Dec 2019 #68
Exactly. Cha Jan 2020 #87
+1000. ehrnst Dec 2019 #35
"he was obviously an extraordinary candidate, brilliant man." betsuni Dec 2019 #65
Since when does the truth matter when it comes to bashing Bernie!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #70
Yeah, it was a diss. Cha Jan 2020 #86
If Bernie wins the nomination PatSeg Dec 2019 #9
He's alienating Democrats and few if any would side with him. He'd be a loner in the White House.... George II Dec 2019 #13
I'm picturing a very angry loner PatSeg Dec 2019 #15
He's alienated me. I've had enough. I can't support him. NurseJackie Dec 2019 #58
George.... i hope you are right trueblue2007 Dec 2019 #64
I just wish he would stop yelling at us all the time. He's stuck at one volume. Capt. America Dec 2019 #66
Sanders has a relatively poor legislative track record. yardwork Dec 2019 #20
I wonder what his vision of a Sanders presidency is PatSeg Dec 2019 #37
The vision is fairly authoritarian, I think. yardwork Dec 2019 #44
Yes, it would seem so PatSeg Dec 2019 #48
That's a nice way of putting it. George II Dec 2019 #38
He's like the loud guy at the end of the bar-- even when he's right, nobody of any... TreasonousBastard Dec 2019 #59
Attacking another Democrat only helps tRump!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #71
exactly, Bernie doesn't have allies to govern with Fresh_Start Dec 2019 #26
Hard to believe he cannot see that PatSeg Dec 2019 #39
yes, he can see that but he is too damn wrapped up in himself to care Fresh_Start Dec 2019 #72
That is rather sad PatSeg Dec 2019 #73
This is *exactly* why I don't support Bernie this time. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #78
I didn't support Bernie in 2016 PatSeg Dec 2019 #81
He acts like he doesn't care... Cha Jan 2020 #88
Good if more are paying attention to his messages of decades. Hortensis Dec 2019 #10
The spin is strong in this thread. StrictlyRockers Dec 2019 #11
No evidence offered in this post, just the statement that "open-minded people" will see them. yardwork Dec 2019 #22
so will the easily dupped and the choir easily see what they want to see Fresh_Start Dec 2019 #27
On MLK Day, Bernie Made a Patronizing Remark About President Obama... TomCADem Dec 2019 #49
There was no trivialization of Obama there. thesquanderer Dec 2019 #51
Yeah, that ridiculous statement didn't go over so well. Cha Dec 2019 #61
Sanders alienates yet another important component of the Democratic coalition. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #83
Yes, Bernie's usually right; not always, but anyone who's fair knows Bernie's heart InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #54
I'm curious, which candidate do you support? You only post OPs about Bernie, nothing positive Autumn Dec 2019 #18
Do you have anything to say about the post itself, rather than the poster? yardwork Dec 2019 #21
Asking questions of fellow DUers is allowed. If I were Undecided I would want to know about Autumn Dec 2019 #23
You didn't answer my question. yardwork Dec 2019 #24
I didn't ask you a question I asked the OP a question. You responded asking me a question Autumn Dec 2019 #25
As a former "undecided" who has actually decided and then switched... NNadir Dec 2019 #32
I have positive feelings about all but two or three of our candidates. George II Dec 2019 #40
I feel the same way about of a couple of the other candidates. Autumn Dec 2019 #43
As a scientist, I think if you are concerned about the planet... NNadir Dec 2019 #45
That's a matter of opinion. Mine differs. None of the candidates know science. nt Autumn Dec 2019 #46
No, it's a fact, not opinion. The scientific knowledge of candidates can be gleaned from... NNadir Dec 2019 #47
+++ still_one Dec 2019 #67
Thank you for pointin this out; just imagine if we quoted what Joe said about Obama. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #55
Certainly a reasonable question to ask. jcmaine72 Dec 2019 #76
Let's see... LakeArenal Dec 2019 #28
Dead on! Cha Dec 2019 #41
As a stroing supporter of President Obama, I am not happy with sanders' attacks Gothmog Dec 2019 #30
K&R betsuni Dec 2019 #50
One reason Why We Support President Obama.. Cha Dec 2019 #62
Some Democrats like this about Bernie. aikoaiko Dec 2019 #57
Thank for this, TomCADem.. I don't "like" BS ever since Cha Dec 2019 #60
I will support the nominee of the party Gothmog Dec 2019 #75
omg.. I hope NOT! Cha Dec 2019 #79
Ironically, Bernie Is Now Blaming Hillary for Creating Disunity By Attacking Him TomCADem Jan 2020 #82
The nature of the two-party system means that some people will be Democrats by circumstance... Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #74
K! Cha Jan 2020 #84
I am also outraged Gothmog Jan 2020 #85
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