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Sloumeau

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13. It isn't really about Just Iowa and New Hampshire. The South is huge.
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 01:36 AM
Jan 2020

If a Democrat wins Iowa and/or New Hampshire, but does not do really well in the South, he often loses in the general election. That's because in order to do really well in the South, you have to have the Black vote. When Democrats do not have a strong enough support in the South, they often lose the election.

Carter and Clinton were both Southerners who killed in the South, and they both won in the General Election. Clinton didn't win either Iowa or New Hampshire, but that did not matter--he still won the nomation because of his big support in the South. Obama wasn't from the South, but he was Black, so he killed in the South too.

Do you know the last time the Democrats won a General Election with a liberal from New England? It was JFK in 1960, and that was before the Voting Rights Act was passed. After that happened, the racist White Democratic Dixiecrats fled the Democratic Party and became Republicans. Because of that, Nixon invoked his "Southern Strategy" in 1968 and the Republicans have been invoking it ever since. If the Democrats end up putting forth a nominee who is not really strong in the South, there is a good chance that that nominee will lose in the general. Fortunately, Biden is leading the polls nationwide and is very strong in the South.

In 1984, Walter Mondale won the nomination, but the only Southern state that he won in the primary was Florida. Most of the other Southern states were won by Gary Hart, with a few also being won by Jesse Jackson. Mondale got creamed in the General Election.

In 1988, Michael Dukakis only won Texas and Florida in the Primary. The other Southern states were won by Al Gore and Jesse Jackson. Dukakis lost in the General as well.

People are worrying a lot this year about exciting the youth vote when historically, exciting the black vote has been much more important. Hillary won a lot of the Southern States, but she still didn't get enough of the Black Vote--whether that was from voter suppression, or Russian dirty tricks, or whatever.

Do you know why Biden's strongest supporters are older Americans? Because a lot of us have watched all of these Presidential races, and we know what happened to folks like Michael Dukakis. The last thing we want to run is a White very Liberal guy from New England. We have been there, done that. At least Elizabeth Warren is a woman, and that could help balance things out. But a white very liberal guy from New England who is not really strong with Black support? To many of us Biden supporters, it is electoral suicide.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Come On, Biden! Cha Jan 2020 #1
When independents are added in, Bernie has a 2 point lead over Biden. This is a national poll. nt Doremus Jan 2020 #2
LoL Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #4
Not sure what's so funny. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #5
Independents get to vote in some primaries, not in others. Sloumeau Jan 2020 #7
Thanks. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #11
Ntl poll avg RCP: Biden 29.3 sanders 20.3 EW 14.8 538 Ntl: Biden 27.6 sanders 18.4 EW 16 Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #3
Yep, the averages give people a much better idea of what is going on. Sloumeau Jan 2020 #9
A three point lead? Brokered Convention. crazytown Jan 2020 #6
crazytown, it is one poll. Sloumeau Jan 2020 #8
I am only commenting on what this poll suggests. crazytown Jan 2020 #10
It isn't really about Just Iowa and New Hampshire. The South is huge. Sloumeau Jan 2020 #13
Great look back at what not to do !! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #14
Here come the scare tactics LeftTurn3623 Jan 2020 #17
Your narrative rather conveniently leaves out Al Gore, crazytown Jan 2020 #20
Al Gore won the south, won the popular vote, and was cheated out of the electoral college Sloumeau Jan 2020 #21
The election was close enough to steal, crazytown Jan 2020 #22
First, let me clarify something. Sloumeau Jan 2020 #24
I suppose I should clarify something as well. crazytown Jan 2020 #26
When I talk about the South, I am not just talking about Florida Sloumeau Jan 2020 #28
Thank you for your thoughtful, and well written posts. crazytown Jan 2020 #29
You are very welcome. Sloumeau Jan 2020 #30
Support Joe? LeftTurn3623 Jan 2020 #16
See crazytown Jan 2020 #18
Iowa only represents 54 delegates out of 4300.. proportionally distributed getagrip_already Jan 2020 #31
cf crazytown Jan 2020 #32
bs... bad stats.... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #35
Won't matter madville Jan 2020 #23
Thanks...Go Joe! Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #12
Great gif! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #15
I keep saying.. as one who has participated in caucuses in CO, people are persuadable. hlthe2b Jan 2020 #19
Bernie has the youth vote ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #25
how many blacks are in iowa? getagrip_already Jan 2020 #33
Oh I'm being very broad myself, obviously ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #38
ahh, got it... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #39
I'm trying to understand the poll. Serious question - can someone explain the results Nanjeanne Jan 2020 #27
independents doesn't mean non-partisan.... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #34
I understand but that doesn't answer my question about how Biden is 23% and Sanders is 20%. If you Nanjeanne Jan 2020 #36
You have to look at the polling data.... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #37
I'm not sweating anything. It's just that the polling breakdowns don't make sense. Nanjeanne Jan 2020 #41
Huh that is curious. David__77 Jan 2020 #40
Yeah. Makes no sense. Nanjeanne Jan 2020 #42
I got it. David__77 Jan 2020 #43
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