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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 11:32 AM

6. The mistake made in most of these sort of articles is the belief that the 2016 election

 

was a battle of the moderates and the left...it wasn't. Our candidate was damaged by both the right and the left which I will always view as a disgrace. And that hurt us no doubt. But what it was is a rebellion in the Mid West. The blue wall crumbled. Here in Ohio, I have heard often from neighbors that we see politicians once every four years...but nothing changes.

They took a chance that Trump (who is a God damned liar) would send help to their area which had not had the same sort of recovery that other states enjoy. The message from our side was 'the jobs aren't coming back back. While Trump said hey 'I am different and I can fix this...they took a chance on Trump because as one of my neighbors said, 'what have we got to lose'? None of my arguments swayed him. from this...and he doesn't even like Trump. But, Jobs gone, pensions gone...jobs shipping overseas and shitty pay were the deciding factor...and Pres. Obama pushing another shitty trade agreement...the TPP didn't help. It was viewed as a betrayal. After all Ohio had voted for Pres. Obama twice.

And you would think with Trump's shitty job,people would be lining up to vote against him and some are. He is weakened no doubt. But some are willing to give him more time. And that is very dangerous for us...and we nominate either Sanders or Warren, we will lose the general. There is great resentment about M4A taking away hard won really good union healthcare...and if you delay it ...it still goes away. They want it untouched period. So that is a mark against both Sanders and Warren. And She is now supporting Trump's NAFTA rewrite. which is the worst worst thing she she could do in this area...and her stated idea that improving working conditions overseas for those working in jobs that used to be American jobs as a way of leveling the playing field is a non-starter. Sure I get what she means...don't think it will work, but I get it. However, it is not seen as benefiting people working here in what is left in of once great manufacturing jobs. People here toil under some grim working conditions and really low pay. They want their working conditions improved. So Warren's idea is a non-starter. As I said ,they want THEIR lives improved not those who they view as taking their jobs.

So it seems that we refuse to learn the lesson of 16 in terms of blue wall states...and if we don't Trump will win an EC victory and have four more years to destroy this country. It is a mistake to think 2016 was an aberration and won't be repeated in 2020 if we nominate a candidate who doesn't understand the Mid West.
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