I CLEARLY see the difference aikoaiko... so do others. The problem is, this involves Bernie... (Reply #202)

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202. I CLEARLY see the difference aikoaiko... so do others. The problem is, this involves Bernie...

and, you should know by now, NOTHING Bernie does will EVER be good enough. Why?! BECAUSE HE'S BERNIE!! You can't even misspell his name without receiving ridicule.

Even though I would never vote for Biden in the primary, unless he's the last Democrat running, I can still find good things to say about him, and DO, when he's occasionally right about something or if he makes some stride on his campaign, whether it's a poll, an endorsement, or if Joe evolves on some issue... but, for others, NOT WHEN IT COMES TO BERNIE, as that would go against the #1 Rule of Bernie Bashing: ALWAYS look for ANY opportunity to bash Bernie, careful to NEVER give him credit for ANYTHING!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!

Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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UPDATE! Fred Guttenberg: "I absolutely cannot support @BernieSanders [View all]	Cha	Dec 2019	OP
Mahalo, Fred Guttenberg..	Cha	Dec 2019	#1
+10000	Pachamama	Dec 2019	#103
Mahalo to you, Pachamama!	Cha	Jan 2020	#146
Happy New Year Cha!	Pachamama	Jan 2020	#154
Excellent wish for	Cha	Jan 2020	#157
Needless to say, he presses the issue. 😂	TheBlackAdder	Jan 2020	#191
Right	Cha	Feb 2020	#238
Good points. (nt)	ehrnst	Dec 2019	#2
Mr Guttenberg is determined..	Cha	Dec 2019	#4
Mr. Gutenberg is correct. That is indeed a RW/NRA gun lobby talking-point.	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#6
Fred Guttenberg has called out Sanders before..	Cha	Dec 2019	#14
Apparently Fred Gutenberg is making a lot of BS supporters a little testy...	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#16
A little?	ehrnst	Dec 2019	#136
To be honest with you... a different word came to mind...	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#137
I'm not a Bernie supporter	The Mouth	Dec 2019	#140
Many people share your feelings.	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#141
I don't care if they do or not	The Mouth	Jan 2020	#144
The more who care and share... the better odds we have that Trump won't pick any more USSC justices.	NurseJackie	Jan 2020	#167
Fred Guttenberg is talking about the Primary.	Cha	Jan 2020	#175
Good	The Mouth	Jan 2020	#176
Maybe reread his tweet. He is not supporting Bernie in the primary.	emmaverybo	Jan 2020	#226
That's too bad.. I stand with Fred Guttenberg.	Cha	Jan 2020	#148
In case anyone didn't know who Fred Guttenberg is:	George II	Dec 2019	#3
More from Fred Guttenberg on Sanders..	Cha	Dec 2019	#5
The families and friends of the victims of the Sandy Hook shooting were also disrespected by Sanders	George II	Dec 2019	#10
I remember that.. unthinkable what	Cha	Dec 2019	#15
Disqualifying.	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#22
An update from FG.. which comes as no surprise whatsoever..	Cha	Jan 2020	#158
Yes, not surprising whatsoever.	George II	Jan 2020	#159
In fact.. PREDICTABLE.	Cha	Jan 2020	#162
Those comments were crude and woefully ill-informed. He's sidestepping.	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#60
Tone deaf.	Cha	Dec 2019	#71
Jaime.	sheshe2	Dec 2019	#8
Beautiful family, she! Thank you so much for their pic!	Cha	Dec 2019	#38
Fred sure wishes we didnt know who he is, as in if this didnt happen in the first place his	Eliot Rosewater	Dec 2019	#46
Amen.	George II	Dec 2019	#49
Exactly	Cha	Feb 2020	#239
Cha, thanks for posting this.	Sloumeau	Dec 2019	#7
...	Cha	Jan 2020	#150
I Fixed the "Chambi". I have no idea where that came from. I blame possessed autocorrect. :) eom	Sloumeau	Jan 2020	#151
It's quite alright. I	Cha	Jan 2020	#155
Sirota is being an asshole again.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Dec 2019	#9
Reality is starting to set in with some in the Sanders campaign leadership team	BannonsLiver	Dec 2019	#21
I wish!	Cha	Jan 2020	#188
+1	Cha	Feb 2020	#233
Fred Guttenberg..	Cha	Feb 2020	#252
Yes, Fred Guttenberg does have excellent reasons	Cha	Jan 2020	#178
I am shocked to see David Sirota accusing Guttenberg of hating Bernie.	Sloumeau	Dec 2019	#11
yeah.. that's the only go to they have.. when	Cha	Jan 2020	#180
Remind me again why i would support a candidate who hires Briana Joy Gray and David Sirota?	still_one	Dec 2019	#12
This.	sheshe2	Dec 2019	#13
Mahalo for the pic of Jaime & her father, Fred.. here's an update	Cha	Jan 2020	#164
This is disgusting.	sheshe2	Jan 2020	#165
And this is why I can't support you, Fred Guttenberg.	aikoaiko	Dec 2019	#17
That sounds punitive nt	Cary	Dec 2019	#18
Punitive isn't the word I'd have chosen... but it's safe.	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#19
Is Guttenberg running for something?	The Velveteen Ocelot	Dec 2019	#23
No, but he's pushing for gun control laws.	aikoaiko	Dec 2019	#25
Bernie Sanders and the Brady Bill... a review.	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#28
Bernie supports nearly all of what Guttenberg supports these days.	aikoaiko	Dec 2019	#35
Define "nearly"	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#39
I don't have much time for this, but here you go.	aikoaiko	Dec 2019	#55
I trust Fred Guttenberg to know what he's talking about..	Cha	Dec 2019	#77
trust through tweets.	aikoaiko	Dec 2019	#78
Keep laughing.. Fred Guttenberg is exaclty right about BS..	Cha	Dec 2019	#118
As absurd as mistrust through tweets	LanternWaste	Jan 2020	#161
thank you!	Cha	Jan 2020	#207
"Nearly"?	Cha	Jan 2020	#217
Very glad he has evolved.	betsuni	Dec 2019	#119
But rogan says BS is "insanely consistent".	Cha	Jan 2020	#213
People who say that don't want to think of Bernie as a politician.	betsuni	Jan 2020	#215
Or the dreaded "Establishment"	Cha	Jan 2020	#225
I trust Fred Guttenberg on this.. not BS.	Cha	Jan 2020	#189
He's a guy expressing his opinion. He is free to do that.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Dec 2019	#29
Of course he can. So can I about his opinions and politics.	aikoaiko	Dec 2019	#32
Sure, but he doesn't deserve to be trashed by a dishonest, vindictive bombthrower	The Velveteen Ocelot	Dec 2019	#33
Exactly.	Cha	Feb 2020	#243
So you would punish him for not being for Bernie Sanders	Cary	Dec 2019	#34
Its not that he doesn't support Bernie, its the framing that Bernie is opposed to gun safety laws	aikoaiko	Dec 2019	#36
I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but you did not refute my summary	Cary	Dec 2019	#123
You don't have to give me the benefit of the doubt.	aikoaiko	Dec 2019	#124
I don't have to do anything	Cary	Dec 2019	#129
Fred Guttenberg knows BS' record.	Cha	Jan 2020	#212
I CLEARLY see the difference aikoaiko... so do others. The problem is, this involves Bernie...	InAbLuEsTaTe	Jan 2020	#202
Fred Guttenberg doesn't want Sanders to be the nom.. I agree.	Cha	Feb 2020	#248
Fred Guttenberg doesn't like BS' past	Cha	Feb 2020	#230
Express away.. I'll take Fred Guttenberg's opinion	Cha	Jan 2020	#193
Who famously said:	George II	Dec 2019	#45
That's probably why he didn't say that death in VT is not the same thing as death in LA or Chicago	aikoaiko	Dec 2019	#68
"Guns in Vermont Are Not the Same Thing As Guns in Chicago or Guns in Los Angeles"	Cha	Jan 2020	#192
Bernie has not always been good on guns...why wouldn't Guttenberg be honest? And the GOP	Demsrule86	Dec 2019	#65
Thank you.	Paka	Dec 2019	#81
if bernie wants to point to one staged pic from 50 year ago to prove	mopinko	Dec 2019	#111
+1	betsuni	Dec 2019	#115
There are 2 falsehoods in your post. Guess which ones	scipan	Dec 2019	#125
are you calling me a liar?	mopinko	Dec 2019	#135
You posted something that is not close to accurate.	Hassin Bin Sober	Dec 2019	#138
No there are NOT.	Cha	Jan 2020	#218
+1	sheshe2	Dec 2019	#127
Then I guess we can forget dad, he only lost his baby girl.	sheshe2	Dec 2019	#37
Yes I do support gun control, but I wouldn't do it by smearing Bernie as anti-gun safety.	aikoaiko	Dec 2019	#41
Fred Guttenberg does Not "smear" BS..	Cha	Dec 2019	#50
I keep waiting for that old worn-out chestnut: "Guns don't kill people. People kill people."	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#51
Good for Fred Guttenberg calling out BS for his avoiding	Cha	Dec 2019	#61
Everyone who is serious about reducing gun violence is also talking about mental health treatment	aikoaiko	Dec 2019	#52
But that's Not all they should be	Cha	Jan 2020	#149
And Bernie isn't only talking about mental health in the context of gun violence.	aikoaiko	Jan 2020	#153
BS did then and that was Fred	Cha	Jan 2020	#156
I do not see a smear.	sheshe2	Dec 2019	#53
Where's the smear? He said only that he won't support Bernie	The Velveteen Ocelot	Dec 2019	#59
The smear is that Bernie doesn't care about gun safety.	aikoaiko	Dec 2019	#64
BS' voting record is open to the public	Cha	Jan 2020	#206
That's exactly true!	Cha	Dec 2019	#116
Not supporting BS's stance on gun control	MontanaMama	Dec 2019	#105
Yes!	betsuni	Dec 2019	#109
This message was self-deleted by its author	aikoaiko	Dec 2019	#114
They blow it up with their accusations..	Cha	Dec 2019	#117
Precisely, MontanaMama..	Cha	Feb 2020	#253
"They can't stop us"??? Who the eff is THEY?	MontanaMama	Feb 2020	#254
yeah.. not good	Cha	Feb 2020	#255
Someone recently told me...	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#44
Sigh	sheshe2	Dec 2019	#128
Good time to kick this	Cha	Feb 2020	#234
Is Fred Guttenberg running for office?	TexasTowelie	Dec 2019	#43
And, this is WHY I Do Support Fred Guttenberg FOR	Cha	Dec 2019	#48
I'm guessing Fred Guttenberg doesn't care.	Cha	Jan 2020	#179
We Support Fred Guttenberg.	Cha	Jan 2020	#196
Imagine being a speechwriter/journalist who doesn't know	pnwmom	Dec 2019	#20
Oh, he knows. He just doesn't care.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Dec 2019	#24
"I absolutely cannot support @BernieSanders"	myohmy2	Dec 2019	#26
Guttenberg isn't posting on DU. He opposes Sanders as a primary candidate,	The Velveteen Ocelot	Dec 2019	#30
That's not what he said.	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#31
Thank you!!!	sheshe2	Dec 2019	#42
Yeah, you "think" on that and get it Straight what Fred	Cha	Dec 2019	#57
"Yeah, you "think" on that..."	myohmy2	Dec 2019	#97
Keeping thinking..	Cha	Dec 2019	#98
False premise	LongtimeAZDem	Jan 2020	#169
Yes, but haven't you heard?! When it comes to BERNIE, an entirely different standard applies!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Jan 2020	#204
I stand with Fred	handmade34	Dec 2019	#27
Kind of a silly place to be standing...	Chicago1980	Dec 2019	#87
That makes 2 of us.	orangecrush	Dec 2019	#40
I disagree with Bernie on some gun issues.	Tiggeroshii	Dec 2019	#47
Fred Guttenberg wants what's	Cha	Jan 2020	#143
DU rec...nt	SidDithers	Dec 2019	#54
"By the way, remind me again, is Bernie a Democrat or an independent?"	PJMcK	Dec 2019	#56
Well... there's this.	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#63
Nothing else is needed	Zeus69	Dec 2019	#89
Oh, there's more. There's a clip (a debate? a town-hall?) where he's...	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#95
Thanks for posting this, Cha! K&R!	highplainsdem	Dec 2019	#58
Bernie has been fighting the good fight for over 50 years	ritapria	Dec 2019	#62
+1	Paka	Dec 2019	#85
Wow all the Bernie bashers together in one thread!	LiberalLovinLug	Dec 2019	#66
NO.. all those Supporting Fred Guttenberg's Fight For	Cha	Dec 2019	#73
So, Mr. Guttenberg,	guillaumeb	Dec 2019	#67
Ask him again if he actually becomes our party's nominee...	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#72
fred is a one issue activist. Understandably so. he's a hero of mine which is very few.	Kurt V.	Dec 2019	#69
Because a person has an issue that they see as most important doesn't	Blue_true	Dec 2019	#99
Exactly. So no one can dismiss it .. as	Cha	Dec 2019	#107
Cha, you seem to be fully aware of the double standard that is used	Blue_true	Dec 2019	#133
Fred Guttenberg most certainly is	Cha	Dec 2019	#108
K&R! nt	TexasTowelie	Dec 2019	#70
gee, another trumpster's opinion, who cares? nt	yaesu	Dec 2019	#74
The guy loaths Trump.	Blue_true	Dec 2019	#100
I hope he would support Bernie over...	JoeOtterbein	Dec 2019	#75
That's Not what he's saying.. this is the Primary.	Cha	Dec 2019	#76
This is from Fred's tweet:	JoeOtterbein	Dec 2019	#79
Too bad.. Fred Guttenberg is telling why he doesn't BS	Cha	Dec 2019	#82
I have no clue how you are reading that as a threat.	sheshe2	Dec 2019	#131
Yeah, that wasn't a nice way to describe	Cha	Dec 2019	#132
IKR?!	sheshe2	Dec 2019	#134
Perfectly said, she!	Cha	Jan 2020	#142
Only if sanders is the nominee	Gothmog	Dec 2019	#94
Distortion much.	Blue_true	Dec 2019	#101
Hope youre right, but then its Bernie we're talkin bout;would be a shame, but not a surprise if PUMA	InAbLuEsTaTe	Jan 2020	#205
Okay...	Rob WA	Dec 2019	#80
The kind of bullshit argument we don't need.	Chicago1980	Dec 2019	#83
Fred Guttenberg is talking about the Primary..	Cha	Dec 2019	#96
This is the Primary! IT's Not Fred Guttenberg	Cha	Jan 2020	#199
You can't win them back. You can't. So stop saying that Bernie can.	paleotn	Dec 2019	#84
Please someone fill me in on what and which GOP voters Bernie can woo? Every puke I know is hair on	UniteFightBack	Dec 2019	#86
The First of Many	McKim	Dec 2019	#88
Parkland was totally negligent.....stop blaming Bernie Sanders!!	skh500	Dec 2019	#90
I strongly disagree	Gothmog	Dec 2019	#93
Bernie needs to answer for his past votes on gun legistlation.	Blue_true	Dec 2019	#102
Shame on you.. Fred Guttenberg did NOT say	Cha	Dec 2019	#110
Well, yeah, he kind of did:	LongtimeAZDem	Jan 2020	#171
I truly admire and respect Fred Guttenberg	Gothmog	Dec 2019	#91
GRRRRR	Me.	Dec 2019	#92
There are certainly reasons to not support Bernie	TheFarseer	Dec 2019	#104
Fred Guttenberg does his homework..	Cha	Dec 2019	#106
K&R	betsuni	Dec 2019	#112
I'm with Fred. n/t	Tarheel_Dem	Dec 2019	#113
K&R	brer cat	Dec 2019	#120
With various possible reasons and not recognizing his name,	Hortensis	Dec 2019	#121
David Sirota just loves to be spanked n/t	PhoenixDem	Dec 2019	#122
sirota is a divider..	Cha	Dec 2019	#130
..	Cha	Jan 2020	#183
Yeah, well, neither can I... in the primary.	LakeArenal	Dec 2019	#126
As will I; though if it comes to that, we'll likely lose the whole thing	LongtimeAZDem	Jan 2020	#170
Fuck. You. Fred.	The Mouth	Dec 2019	#139
Really?	MrsCoffee	Jan 2020	#145
I am presuming he means in the GENERAL election	The Mouth	Jan 2020	#147
I understand and support Fred Guttenberg	Gothmog	Jan 2020	#152
Fred is not alone.	R B Garr	Jan 2020	#160
A response from Fred Guttenberg	Gothmog	Jan 2020	#163
Don't see too many lectures in here.	redqueen	Jan 2020	#166
I really think that the attacks on Mr Guttenberg are inappropriate	Gothmog	Jan 2020	#168
Mahalo, Goth..	Cha	Jan 2020	#172
Hey Cha	Gothmog	Jan 2020	#173
As do I.. a grieving father who puts	Cha	Jan 2020	#174
Jesus- Fred! will you please just STOP!	James48	Jan 2020	#177
No, I do NOT want Fred Guttenberg to stop	Cha	Jan 2020	#181
I would hope that if Bernie gets the nomination that he will change his mind.	totodeinhere	Jan 2020	#182
Quibbles?	The Valley Below	Jan 2020	#184
K	Cha	Jan 2020	#185
K&R	RandySF	Jan 2020	#186
Who is surprised that sanders supprters are attacking this fine man	Gothmog	Jan 2020	#187
His choice, just as it's my choice to disregard anything Guttenberg has to say...	Devil Child	Jan 2020	#190
Is Stein-supporting Sirota the right person to kvetch about	tishaLA	Jan 2020	#194
If he means in the primary, that's his right	The Mouth	Jan 2020	#195
I love this ad	Gothmog	Jan 2020	#197
Thank you for this, Goth	Cha	Jan 2020	#198
I really admire Fred Gutenberg	Gothmog	Jan 2020	#200
I would definitely vote for Bernie in the General -	OhZone	Jan 2020	#201
It concerns me that he's the GOP choice for Dem candidate.	ehrnst	Jan 2020	#203
Bernie's from Vermont	democrattotheend	Jan 2020	#208
We all know that.	Cha	Jan 2020	#209
The attacks by sanders supporters on this man disgust me	Gothmog	Jan 2020	#210
Yep. And that feeling is growing fast.	Amimnoch	Jan 2020	#211
Mahalo, Amimnoch.. I just Updated the OP	Cha	Jan 2020	#221
Thanks for that update! They're dowright insulting imo.	Amimnoch	Jan 2020	#222
Threats?	Cha	Jan 2020	#224
So he'd vote Trump over Sanders or not vote at all?	Gore1FL	Jan 2020	#214
K&R	Scurrilous	Jan 2020	#216
Fred Guttenberg-sanders is again showing that dealing with gun violence is not a priority.	Gothmog	Jan 2020	#219
omg.. I should UPDATE OP..	Cha	Jan 2020	#220
You are welcomed	Gothmog	Jan 2020	#223
I feel the same.. as a parent.	Cha	Jan 2020	#227
My heart bleeds for this man	Gothmog	Feb 2020	#228
I know, Goth.. Thank you so much for	Cha	Feb 2020	#229
When I saw that it was this father who spoke out, I knew why	Gothmog	Feb 2020	#231
Mahalo, Cha! It's me AgadorSparticus. Hope you have been well.	Vivienne235729	Feb 2020	#232
Aloha!	Cha	Feb 2020	#237
I am also glad that Biden discusses sanders' sad record	Gothmog	Feb 2020	#235
He's right, you know? I feel the same way. Fred speaks for me.	NurseJackie	Feb 2020	#236
These attacks by sanders supporters are sad	Gothmog	Feb 2020	#240
JHC.. I didn't know they went that far.	Cha	Feb 2020	#241
Understandable	Bradical79	Feb 2020	#242
Here is another reason to not support sanders	Gothmog	Feb 2020	#244
Wow.. this needs to go Viral!	Cha	Feb 2020	#245
I am pissed by this stunt	Gothmog	Feb 2020	#246
It's a stupid stunt.. Retweeted Fred's tweet..	Cha	Feb 2020	#247
Has sanders condemned this stunt yet?	Gothmog	Feb 2020	#249
I support Fred's incredible advocacy to #EndGunViolence !	Gothmog	Feb 2020	#250
Thank you..	Cha	Feb 2020	#251
Fred is worried about down ballot candidates	Gothmog	Feb 2020	#256
Excellent info... Thank you, Fred..	Cha	Feb 2020	#257
+1	dalton99a	Feb 2020	#258
Fred has some good comments here	Gothmog	Feb 2020	#259
Thank you, Fred.. Retweeted!	Cha	Feb 2020	#260
Fred Guttenberg endorses Joe Biden	Gothmog	Mar 2020	#261
Oh Wow.. this should be an OP	Cha	Mar 2020	#262

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