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DonCoquixote

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14. Even if the whole Franken mess could be erased from time
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 08:06 AM
Feb 2019

The fact is, she is a hard centrist candidate in an election where even many moderate voters want to at least tilt the balance more to the left, thanks to trump's outright breaking of the balance. It is one thing to promise that once you are in power, that you will start to lean leftward, well, in part thanks to Hillary Losing, in part because Trump has already done decades of damage, people will not buy that tune as easily as they would have in 2016. We will not something stronger to get the taste of trump out of our mouth, especially since we now know that W. was not a fluke:there really ARE a bunch of Americans who are in no way interested in common good, fairness or even their own damned GOP principles. There really re Americans who are working to make sure the 21st century has the slave markets, the witch hunts, the illiteracy, the deadly working conditions and all the old horrors that never should have survived the 18th century.

In other words, when your health goes from being a bad cold to Pneumonia, you need the stronger doses.

PS: If people consider Gillibrand a crusader for women, they better hope they donot run into the fellow that put in and defended VAWA. Joe Biden may have hang ups, but when it comes to women, or goading Obama into finally supporting Gay marriage, or supporting Obama Care, he has done things that are, to use his words, a "BIG f***ing Deal."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
That tripling down is exactly why she won't win. LakeArenal Feb 2019 #1
Frankly, I wasn't terribly fond of Gillibrand Control-Z Feb 2019 #2
What investigations? Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #21
There were no investigations that I'm aware of. Control-Z Feb 2019 #103
Nor would there have been Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #104
I'm not quite sure what the point is you're Control-Z Feb 2019 #122
Actually he asked for an ethics committee hearing Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #123
Nor was I. Now I really don't like her. ailsagirl Feb 2019 #111
+1 n/t area51 Feb 2019 #173
+2 Owl Feb 2019 #191
i agree with you 947567385 percent !!! trueblue2007 Mar 2019 #227
"Eight credible allegations" my ass. Canoe52 Feb 2019 #3
"corroborated" "in real time" "by the press" crazytown Feb 2019 #4
Allegations of what? Funtatlaguy Feb 2019 #15
Exactly. We're supposed to take her word for it. catrose Feb 2019 #29
+1. She has been very disrespectful to Franken and his legacy dalton99a Feb 2019 #44
What exactly is Franken's legacy? Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #124
She continues to practice the "big lie" technique... brush Feb 2019 #102
I'm not going to vote for Gillibrand. No regrets. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2019 #5
Bingo workinclasszero Feb 2019 #17
that's the best response! RazBerryBeret Feb 2019 #35
There are far better candidates. dalton99a Feb 2019 #39
And that's the end of that. defacto7 Feb 2019 #45
She won't even get through South Carolina ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #119
Gillibrand is a proven opportunist quickesst Feb 2019 #6
Proven opportunist? Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #22
Thanks for reminding me about Harris and Booker. defacto7 Feb 2019 #47
Thanks to the Smollett case, Booker may be learning to wait for evidence LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #51
Well.... quickesst Feb 2019 #63
So... Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #76
Most people change their minds on some issues over time, PatSeg Feb 2019 #179
I agree Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #184
Yes and you have belabored PatSeg Feb 2019 #187
So others get to evolve and she doesn't? Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #189
We will all look at the various candidates PatSeg Feb 2019 #190
This is not about the primary Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #192
In a thread of about 200 comments, PatSeg Feb 2019 #207
It's not about me either Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #208
I punch a time clock. Jakes Progress Feb 2019 #217
Yeah PatSeg Feb 2019 #218
I always know Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #219
Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #221
Thank again Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #222
I stand by everything I said quickesst Feb 2019 #89
Do you really believe that the Republicans Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #91
Looks like... quickesst Feb 2019 #95
Thank you for laying it out so clearly. brush Feb 2019 #105
"gives opportunism a bad name" DBoon Feb 2019 #49
You are right quickesst Feb 2019 #66
Franken matter aside, I don't think she's going to gain any traction. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #7
The only thing that will keep her going is money Trenzalore Feb 2019 #12
I agree Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #23
Make up your mind. Weren't you just expounding in her favor a few posts above? brush Feb 2019 #106
No Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #108
Nice try, but you're all over that thread defending her. brush Feb 2019 #110
Yes I am Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #114
BS, she screwed Franken and deserves the scorn. brush Feb 2019 #118
She and over 30 other Senators Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #120
You keep pushing the same inaccuracy when I told you on the last thread... brush Feb 2019 #132
Sorry but that is not the truth Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #138
I presume you know how to use google. Research the Gillibrand interview... brush Feb 2019 #145
Your making the accusation Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #146
There you go again. Dec. 6, the same as other Dems is not accurate. brush Feb 2019 #147
No that is the truth Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #148
You can't rewrite history. Many of us followed the Franken story... brush Feb 2019 #175
I'm not the one trying to re-writer history Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #176
No regrets? WTF. democratisphere Feb 2019 #8
"He had eight credible allegations against him..." dchill Feb 2019 #9
I agree about Tweeden Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #30
Except that's not how it works. It's not up to the accused to prove that accusers are lying LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #42
That is the bar for criminal prosecution Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #46
It's the bar for all forms of critical analysis; law, debate, the scinentific method, etc. LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #48
So then Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #53
I said the same thing then; just because I despise someone, doesn't mean I don't require proof. LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #54
So what is your proof? Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #58
I don't have any; that's why I said "I believe" and "I think". I could make a case for it, but LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #61
He could have chosen to stay and fight Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #62
Ridiculous; it was a witch hunt, and anyone who defended him would have gone down wth him LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #65
So Franken was a victim Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #71
I won't quibble with that LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #72
I agree with your assessment PatSeg Feb 2019 #180
that link with Frankens responses makes her look worse. LiberalLovinLug Feb 2019 #133
So are you accusing all the other 7 women of lying? Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #139
Its reported - You decide LiberalLovinLug Feb 2019 #140
Well I wouldn't accuse anyone of lying with out evidence Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #142
The "Army Veteran" Is A Lying Trumpanzee wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #149
Can you prove that? Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #150
Can You Prove Why wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #152
Still not proof Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #155
Give the names of every single accuser then wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #158
Very cute Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #159
Names, not summaries. wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #160
So you can't prove any of them are lying Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #161
So you don't know any of their names wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #165
Stop diverting Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #166
Name names wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #170
No You made an accusation Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #174
They made the accusations first wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #182
Oh now I get it Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #185
The fact they voted for trump proves everything wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #193
Proves nothing Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #195
If I Accuse You Of A Crime wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #198
Bad behavior is not a crime Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #199
Like I said, you give me the names wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #200
More diversion Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #201
No nomination. nt oasis Feb 2019 #10
She's Wall Street's chosen Democratic Candidate Trenzalore Feb 2019 #11
Cool workinclasszero Feb 2019 #18
Unfortunately they will get their money's worth Trenzalore Feb 2019 #19
Yeah well that does suck workinclasszero Feb 2019 #20
The good people of New York Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #24
If we win in 2020 and she acts like a Republicrat Trenzalore Feb 2019 #74
But she hasn't in the Senate Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #79
Has that ambitious Congresswoman ever had to run in a competitive Primary? brooklynite Feb 2019 #135
She is my Senator and she is a Republicrat. Zoonart Feb 2019 #28
+1 INdemo Feb 2019 #31
It is the large Democratic base who won't support her who truly have no regrets... hlthe2b Feb 2019 #13
Even if the whole Franken mess could be erased from time DonCoquixote Feb 2019 #14
I don't know why Democrats are afraid of using the word "right" or "conservative" LiberalLovinLug Feb 2019 #186
This "bored man on the Internet" is glad Sen. Gillibrand is getting some payback. (nt) Paladin Feb 2019 #16
Doesn't matter. She's a boring candidate who will go nowhere. tinrobot Feb 2019 #25
Agreed Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #43
Spot on. No spark and forgetable. brush Feb 2019 #107
And no DUers will admit to supporting her IronLionZion Feb 2019 #26
And who cares what she thinks. Polly Hennessey Feb 2019 #27
No regrets here either dear as I would never vote for you in the presidential primary!! Thekaspervote Feb 2019 #32
+1 Jarqui Feb 2019 #55
I'd be more inclined to think she was sincere bunny planet Feb 2019 #33
Sorry but Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #50
I disagree bunny planet Feb 2019 #77
You're setting up your own Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #81
Gillibrand set her own bar bunny planet Feb 2019 #96
Oh so it is just Gillibrand Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #98
Harris, Warren, Booker and Sanders Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #34
It's a strike against all of them, IMO LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #36
+1 defacto7 Feb 2019 #52
Gillibrand was the first and the hungriest. crazytown Feb 2019 #38
Hungriest?? Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #41
They co-ordinated with Gillibrand? crazytown Feb 2019 #56
You read the articles Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #57
Look crazytown Feb 2019 #73
OK Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #78
This is a good question ... one that you will not get a good answer to SFnomad Mar 2019 #225
Here is the answer I got about Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #228
A good reason? Never .... A lame excuse? Always n/t SFnomad Mar 2019 #231
Gillibrand will not make it to the Single day Debates aeromanKC Feb 2019 #37
Yeah crazytown Feb 2019 #60
No Regrets Soxfan58 Feb 2019 #40
Waiting for that "post removed" person to respond. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2019 #59
And I also have "no regrets" about giving her less than a whit of consideration. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #64
+1000! nt USALiberal Feb 2019 #69
Looking forward to her dropping out! nt USALiberal Feb 2019 #67
She has Zero Point Zero percent backing here, on DU, in the primary poll JDC Feb 2019 #68
Taking down Franken is "standing up to powerful men"? Bradshaw3 Feb 2019 #70
Warren called for Franken to resign too Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #80
Perception... tonedevil Feb 2019 #86
Very True Perception vs Reality Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #92
In this case... tonedevil Feb 2019 #94
Forgive me if I misunderstood Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #100
Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #87
She was one of the last to do so, and she didn't give LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #88
So Warren was just a blind follower Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #99
I don't think you're serious; I think you're just trying to provoke. Adios LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #109
I'm just trying to understand Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #112
I've not only explained about Warren, I specifically said, "It's a strike against all of them, IMO" LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #113
I'm trying to understand Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #116
She will never have my vote Mira Feb 2019 #75
"Sen. Franken has said that he will be making an announcement about his political future tomorrow. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #82
She may regret it if she does not get the nomination Generic Brad Feb 2019 #83
Al Franken was the one who got Sessions to recuse... without that..... EveHammond13 Feb 2019 #84
Nope. nt tblue37 Feb 2019 #85
It was a classic double-bind. Cetacea Feb 2019 #90
We'll stated. You meant "Franken", of course, but well stated LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #97
Thanks for the heads-up Cetacea Feb 2019 #121
That seals her fate, IMO Adrahil Feb 2019 #93
gillibrand pamdb Feb 2019 #101
I will be supporting other nominees before I support Gillibrand Gothmog Feb 2019 #115
And that's why barring her getting the nomination she won't get my vote Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2019 #117
I'm trying to imagine a series of circumstances that makes her a contender Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #125
I am not... Guilded Lilly Feb 2019 #126
I think our nation dearly misses Al Franken - enough said. walkingman Feb 2019 #127
"Our nation"? brooklynite Feb 2019 #134
I disagree. I think the average voter, Democrat or Republican, wants elected Legislators that are walkingman Feb 2019 #136
Of course they want honest legislators...and they have them brooklynite Feb 2019 #137
Someone Should Ask Her if She Regrets Being Stuck at 1% in Polls. Indykatie Feb 2019 #128
How is she "stuck"? brooklynite Feb 2019 #156
8 credible allegations? Corroborated in real time by the press? mn9driver Feb 2019 #129
Don't give up that Senate seat, dear if you wish to remain in politics...just my opinion. pecosbob Feb 2019 #130
Go home, Kirsten. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #131
So glad this OP keeps getting kicked to the top... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #141
I won't forgive or forget either MustLoveBeagles Feb 2019 #143
Don't worry. It won't be her. She'll never be the nominee. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #144
Anger is a bad emotion to incorporate into politics... brooklynite Feb 2019 #151
No it's not. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #177
Some people dont have to worry about ANYTHING so anger doesnt come as easily to them. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2019 #194
I guess it also helps if you know a lot of really really important people, too. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #196
"The tone argument" (also tone policing) ehrnst Feb 2019 #178
I find the "watch your tone, Missy" admonitions to be very sexist. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #229
Right up there with ehrnst Mar 2019 #232
Good for her, she was right to call for his resignation Tarc Feb 2019 #153
LOL, yea, it seems to be helping her! Nt USALiberal Feb 2019 #171
Too bad shanny Feb 2019 #154
We're blessed with a lot of good candidates Jarqui Feb 2019 #157
Do the "other good candidates" include Warren, Sanders, Booker, Brown, Klobuchar and Harris? brooklynite Feb 2019 #162
Yep Jarqui Feb 2019 #167
So you want to support a candidate who's that easily led by the nose? brooklynite Feb 2019 #168
More than the one who instigated it, yes Jarqui Feb 2019 #169
Really curious why you do not like Frankin. Nt USALiberal Feb 2019 #183
"corroborated in real time, by the press" Ferrets are Cool Feb 2019 #163
"Eight credible allegations against him ... NanceGreggs Feb 2019 #164
Or how about the woman PatSeg Feb 2019 #181
Fine. Bye. nolabear Feb 2019 #172
She still has 0% on DU IronLionZion Feb 2019 #188
I got no problem with the resignation, BUT Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #197
why she is not suited to be a leader, beachbum bob Feb 2019 #202
Sanders, Booker, Warren, Harris and Brown supported resignation. Sneederbunk Feb 2019 #203
At the very least she made the call to go first. crazytown Feb 2019 #206
Yes. wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #223
Lol... hoosieib2 Feb 2019 #204
So, Julian Castro (1%) was also responsible for getting Franken to step down? brooklynite Feb 2019 #209
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #210
On THIS site? Certainly. brooklynite Feb 2019 #211
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #212
"Liberal Groups on FB"... brooklynite Feb 2019 #213
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #214
I've never identified myself as an average voter... brooklynite Feb 2019 #215
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #216
Never considering voting for her, no regrets. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2019 #205
Nothing will come of nothing ucrdem Feb 2019 #220
Well, she was not BlueMTexpat Mar 2019 #224
And I have NO regrets for putting her on my "never support" list. elfin Mar 2019 #226
... crazytown Mar 2019 #234
No regrets not considering her either JCMach1 Mar 2019 #230
Kristen Gillibrand has no mechanical problems, 11 years of her full tax returns available for public Gothmog Mar 2019 #233
Frankenstein comes up in the comments to this article Gothmog Jul 2019 #235
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