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Democratic Primaries

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Mon Feb 24, 2020, 12:12 PM Feb 2020

So many of the anti-Bernie attacks are about what "other people" will think. [View all]

As in:
-"I know Bernie's not a communist, but other people will think he is"
-"I know Bernie's policies are successfully implemented all over the world, but other people won't get that"
-"I know M4A actually saves people money because the taxes will be less than current premiums, but other people will just see the taxes"
-"I couldn't care less that there's a video of Bernie singing songs shirtless in Moscow, but other people will freak out about it"
-"I'll vote for Bernie if he's the nominee, but other people will stay home"

Who the hell are these "other people"? Do they never show up in polls? I know lots of "other people" in real life, and none of them fit into those categories, except the Trumpers. The only "other people" I know who think Bernie is a communist have Trump bumper stickers.

I think this explains much of why Bernie has surged to the top of the field, despite all the attacks on him. Because the anti-Bernie smears are so weak that they don't actually convince "people", only some murky "other people" who don't have the capacity for logic. As in:
> Bernie's a bad candidate because of ________
>> Uh, _________ is a really poor argument, it makes no sense and isn't supported by facts.
> Sure, you and I know that, but "other people" won't understand.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Sanders has no historical swing state appeal outside of MOE, Biden has the most uponit7771 Feb 2020 #1
Are you talking about polls? Or something else? thesquanderer Feb 2020 #4
Historical data nothing recent uponit7771 Feb 2020 #5
I'm confused, are you looking for really historical or for recent? But either way... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #7
Sanders has not bested Biden in the swing states in the last 3 months uponit7771 Feb 2020 #16
Oh, he rarely bests Biden. That wasn't the criteria I was looking at, because... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #18
There's no historical data, last 3 months where Sanders is beating Trump beyond MOE or uponit7771 Feb 2020 #19
MOST of the swing states? How many, and which ones? More qualifiers! But to start... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #20
Swing states from wikipedia uponit7771 Feb 2020 #24
Ah, the whole shebang! I was focussed on the big three that would have made a difference in 2016. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #26
Wiki narrows it to 4 and the last 3 months Sanders isn't beating Biden vs Trump, Ohio is lost imho uponit7771 Feb 2020 #27
Right, I've never contested that "Sanders isn't beating Biden vs Trump" only that... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #29
👍 uponit7771 Feb 2020 #31
Expanding on this... Mad cow Feb 2020 #9
You had me laughing here Rilgin Feb 2020 #6
Don't have to be at top of ticket Biden best all candidates in swing states against Red Don ... uponit7771 Feb 2020 #17
Bernie is doing better in most swing states than Biden. OliverQ Feb 2020 #32
Maybe now but Swing state polling goes back to pre primary post convention. Sanders isn't uponit7771 Feb 2020 #33
Sanders is doing better with the demographics that matter. OliverQ Feb 2020 #34
Better than what? luke warm? Again, snapshot data doesn't count. If there was a 3 month ... uponit7771 Feb 2020 #35
Swing voters are going to decide the election. RDANGELO Feb 2020 #2
And apparently on 2/3 of those find Sanders to be acceptable... NurseJackie Feb 2020 #8
That 2/3 is more than feel that way about Biden, Bloomberg, or ANY other candidate. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #10
If he's doing THAT poorly among Democrats... he doesn't stand a chance in the General Election. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #11
Look at those numbers again., He is NOT doing that poorly among Dems, because... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #12
He is a divider. He is a socialist. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #14
If you're not going to vote for anyone unless more than 2/3 of Dems are comfortable with them... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #15
It takes a lot of people to win a presidential election RandySF Feb 2020 #3
"Other people" are the people I had to turn out when I was a Party Ward Committeeman... brooklynite Feb 2020 #13
Prioritizing what "other people" think puts you in a weak position. Yavin4 Feb 2020 #21
You're wrong, I think. Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #25
"shirtless in Moscow". LOLOL R B Garr Feb 2020 #22
You're kidding yourself, I think. Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #23
I think you give people too much credit. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #28
If it's not as bad as the cat grabber, don't worry about it. kentuck Feb 2020 #30
It's a very weak kind of argument. Aaron Pereira Feb 2020 #36
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