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2naSalit

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38. Right? So he's running on the D ticket but disses they party
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 10:21 AM
Mar 2020

at the same time. I hope he gets trounced today.

It bothers me a lot, too.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Yes... This is the kind of language that seems self-defeating to me. hlthe2b Mar 2020 #1
I believe he says he's running against the establishment wing of the party, thesquanderer Mar 2020 #7
The "establishment wing" of the party is a substantial and imporant part of the party StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #10
Both wings are important. And to some extent, both are running against each other. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #16
Two different things StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #18
Yes! Roy Rolling Mar 2020 #51
re: "It's an ad-hominem attack. It's an attack on people and not the issues." thesquanderer Mar 2020 #110
No. StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #131
But Sanders and his aggressive populist following Hortensis Mar 2020 #102
Time for Unity The Time is Now Mar 2020 #85
defending a half truth azureblue Mar 2020 #90
Of he's truly running against the leadership, he should say "leadership." StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #127
Don't you think the population of Democrats in DU, and others are part of the Democratic party? Perseus Mar 2020 #190
I am not sure what that even is. As far as I can tell it's a made up label RAB910 Mar 2020 #15
It may be made up, but he's referring to those who don't want major change to thesquanderer Mar 2020 #20
That's not what he's referring to StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #128
nope - that isn't his big gripe... lapfog_1 Mar 2020 #135
re: " I, for one, prefer it to complete socialist take over of the means of production." thesquanderer Mar 2020 #141
yes... look at his history lapfog_1 Mar 2020 #156
You've said nothing there about the means of production thing. (n/t) thesquanderer Mar 2020 #158
The Establishment is True Blue American Mar 2020 #154
What rules are you talking about? n/t thesquanderer Mar 2020 #175
It's like 'Deep State". Midnight Writer Mar 2020 #167
Oh, honey! Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! NurseJackie Mar 2020 #17
It only makes sense if your strategy is divide and conquer C_U_L8R Mar 2020 #30
That is the party! redstatebluegirl Mar 2020 #52
No, not necessarily.. whathehell Mar 2020 #63
Just say, "OK boomer's grand baby" Walleye Mar 2020 #82
I think he means the leadership of the party as well.... ehrnst Mar 2020 #66
He should say moderates duforsure Mar 2020 #76
Progressives won't do crap to stop Russian interference dansolo Mar 2020 #187
So now there is a wing of the party that are only Democrats when it's convienient? thenelm1 Mar 2020 #108
re: "And he expects the party to get obediently into line." thesquanderer Mar 2020 #111
OK, who exactly is in the "Establishment Wing?" ehrnst Mar 2020 #112
Not that simple. I'd say Warren is not establishment wing, and does not back Sanders thesquanderer Mar 2020 #115
"House Democrats just passed a slate of significant reforms to get money out of politics" ehrnst Mar 2020 #123
There are differences in the details. He talks about things like... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #178
Tom Perez True Blue American Mar 2020 #155
But "establishment" is a stupid, blanket-all term that seems to be flung at anyone Maru Kitteh Mar 2020 #145
Sanders considers all of the Party to be the establishment. LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #146
Nah. Warren? AOC?? Gabbard??? ;-) n/t thesquanderer Mar 2020 #148
He appears to think that anyone who is not supporting him mcar Mar 2020 #170
re: "doesn't seem to think that black people are working class" thesquanderer Mar 2020 #171
Sanders is not a Democrat. TNNurse Mar 2020 #188
It's poorly chosen language, IMO. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2020 #130
Ditto. CurtEastPoint Mar 2020 #2
The establishment? Are we back in the 1960's? Walleye Mar 2020 #3
Last primary season Bernie called Planned Parenthood the establishment. yes. he. did. riversedge Mar 2020 #9
He was talking about their political arm. And no, it's not the same thing... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #24
Oh gawd, I'd forgotten he labeled Planned Parenthood as "The Establishment." Maru Kitteh Mar 2020 #179
Only about 55 years njhoneybadger Mar 2020 #27
it should bother ALL of us Dems.... samnsara Mar 2020 #4
Curious why he simply does not run as a democrat? Watchfoxheadexplodes Mar 2020 #5
He said the only party he would consider joining is the Working Families Party... ehrnst Mar 2020 #109
It bothers me. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #6
He isn't a Democrat. Enter Username Here Mar 2020 #8
I don't care much about labels. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #157
In 2016 I voted for Bernie. blueinredohio Mar 2020 #11
This is exactly why I can't support Bernie. LiberalBrooke Mar 2020 #12
He's using the same playbook as trump did. oldsoftie Mar 2020 #13
Yup, they differ only by technique bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #21
I disagree that the political middle is our strength. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #173
Distribution of the political spectrum has traditionally been a bell-shaped curve bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #174
I mean, slight other differences quakerboy Mar 2020 #183
different sides handmade34 Mar 2020 #61
It bothers me too DownriverDem Mar 2020 #14
I find it disturbing as well. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #19
I think being opposed to the Democratic party is his main weakness in the primary bluedye33139 Mar 2020 #22
It's sort of a tough sell RAB910 Mar 2020 #25
THIS! Zoonart Mar 2020 #28
Exactly! Walleye Mar 2020 #48
me too. barbtries Mar 2020 #23
Just a bit???? Zoonart Mar 2020 #26
Bernie will use the Democratic Party, but will never be part of it. He's just too good for us. PubliusEnigma Mar 2020 #29
It is an ironic fact that he needs to use the ' system' to beat the ' system'. apcalc Mar 2020 #31
I am so pissed at Sanders and his "war against the Democratic party". It is bullshit. I'll vote still_one Mar 2020 #32
He wants to be president of the congregation greymattermom Mar 2020 #33
Bern this mother down IronLionZion Mar 2020 #34
It's coming back to bite Bernie in the ass njhoneybadger Mar 2020 #35
Agree Frances Mar 2020 #83
It's what I've been saying here for years... hurple Mar 2020 #36
The 2016 convention should have buried Sanders forever for any Democrat. Mars and Minerva Mar 2020 #43
Me too. Bern me once , shame on you. Bern me twice... apcalc Mar 2020 #60
True Democrat Smackdown2019 Mar 2020 #100
I suggest you vote accordingly, then. MineralMan Mar 2020 #37
Right? So he's running on the D ticket but disses they party 2naSalit Mar 2020 #38
Something inherently wrong with Bernie's thought process Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2020 #39
As a lifelong Democrat I share some distrust of the powers that be randr Mar 2020 #40
Who are the exclusionary "establishment"? Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #42
I know there are members of the DNC who have been there for a very long time randr Mar 2020 #49
So you can't name names Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #50
Without any effort here is the first thing that showed up randr Mar 2020 #77
The committee coordinates strategy to support Democratic Party candidates throughout the country Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #98
Not what I am saying at all randr Mar 2020 #150
It was long thought by many Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #153
The problems I am pointing out in our house randr Mar 2020 #159
Never said the DNC was highly revered Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #163
I am a lifelong and proud member of the Democratic Party Gothmog Mar 2020 #41
The way I view it LenaW Mar 2020 #44
Bernie isn't a Democrat....he will run third party with Gabbard a ashredux Mar 2020 #45
If being republican lite means being a Dem, no thank you. I want someone who brutus smith Mar 2020 #132
I've participated in a lot of DU juries lately Danascot Mar 2020 #46
The party itself has two factions: Centrist and Progressive. CaptYossarian Mar 2020 #47
Yes, a combo eould be good. Every political party has factions. apcalc Mar 2020 #62
centrist is not good either treestar Mar 2020 #99
Now we're getting into semantics (although I started it). CaptYossarian Mar 2020 #129
When he says that, it reminds of "Deep State" a bit. Which bothers me. chowder66 Mar 2020 #53
2016 Playbook; Wash, Rinse, Repeat djacq Mar 2020 #54
He is referring to the neoliberal, Third Way, Super Pac wing n/t AverageJoe Mar 2020 #55
Super PACs were literally invented by the AFL-CIO. So, is that who he means? (nt) Recursion Mar 2020 #59
He means those Democrats who are beholden to corporate money AverageJoe Mar 2020 #65
Corporations can't donate to candidates. Neither can Super PACs Recursion Mar 2020 #68
Gosh, you're right! AverageJoe Mar 2020 #72
Well, I mean, yes, I am. There's no such thing as "corporate money" in elections Recursion Mar 2020 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author redqueen Mar 2020 #119
Tired of his nonsense about Bullionaires buying this election....... Bengus81 Mar 2020 #56
He's running against the ESTABLISHMENT WING of the Party, whathehell Mar 2020 #57
There is no "establishment wing" There is no designation or title as such RAB910 Mar 2020 #67
Yes there is, and it needs no formal designation to be real whathehell Mar 2020 #78
So as a lifelong Democrat am I part of that "establishment"? RAB910 Mar 2020 #91
Only you can answer that.. whathehell Mar 2020 #139
As far as I can tell, "the Democratic establishment" and "the Democratic party" in interchangeable RAB910 Mar 2020 #144
I think that's the way you.choose to see it.. whathehell Mar 2020 #172
even so, why would he expect to win a nomination for a national office treestar Mar 2020 #96
Who says he doesn't? whathehell Mar 2020 #140
Just in case no one has already said this, but... marcopolo63 Mar 2020 #58
no one is more establishment than bernie sanders ..16 years as a rep...and voted a senator in 2006 dawn5651 Mar 2020 #64
BS could drop off the earth today and I would not care. we can do it Mar 2020 #69
Prepare for it to happen at the Convention, regardless whether Sanders wins the nomination or not. OnDoutside Mar 2020 #70
A good time to re-evaluate "our" party. mahannah Mar 2020 #71
How is it a good time? RAB910 Mar 2020 #97
I am a life long Democrat and I am a bit disturbed that Farmer-Rick Mar 2020 #73
I am a fellow life long Democrat AverageJoe Mar 2020 #84
How in the world is that man ever going to lead establishment Dems in congress? vlyons Mar 2020 #74
1000 emmaverybo Mar 2020 #168
I still don't see how Bernie is NOT part of the "establishment" he claims to despise. calimary Mar 2020 #75
Party before country, huh? FiveGoodMen Mar 2020 #79
how is that different than saying ideology before Country? What is the difference between loyalty to RAB910 Mar 2020 #95
The "ideology" is fairness for everyone. FiveGoodMen Mar 2020 #142
I remember someone said that ideology is like giving the answer before the question is asked RAB910 Mar 2020 #143
Sanders is about as 'establishment' as they come dalton99a Mar 2020 #80
I don't think so dualboy24 Mar 2020 #89
He use the Democrat yes you suits him Dream Girl Mar 2020 #124
What do you mean? dualboy24 Mar 2020 #149
+1,000,000 nt NYMinute Mar 2020 #81
At some of his rallies he points to the press people in the back of the room and calls them: George II Mar 2020 #86
Yes, "Me Too" He's like the guy who needs a ride, so you offer to let him ride with you. Fla Dem Mar 2020 #87
You're doing politics wrong. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2020 #88
How so? RAB910 Mar 2020 #93
Elected officials aren't rock stars. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2020 #105
My elected officials are not rock stars, but they are not terrible corrupt people either RAB910 Mar 2020 #107
I'm with you. marble falls Mar 2020 #92
I don't like it either treestar Mar 2020 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author democratisphere Mar 2020 #101
I established myself as a Democrat decades ago, when I first voted. CaptainTruth Mar 2020 #104
We're not going to lay down & let him take it either. William769 Mar 2020 #106
I understand that view but..... Under The Radar Mar 2020 #113
I'm a life long Democrat also. My first vote was in 1968. My biggest concern is getting rid of walkingman Mar 2020 #114
THANK YOU! It is alarming how many people on this board redqueen Mar 2020 #121
I'm not a bit disturbed :sarcasm: relayerbob Mar 2020 #116
Why is Sanders even allowed on the ballot in Democratic Primaries?? capechacon Mar 2020 #117
+ agree that it bothers me as well. Bernie is a registered Independent - why doesn't he run on iluvtennis Mar 2020 #118
I really feel like this country is not ready for a yuiyoshida Mar 2020 #120
The revolution is evolution Lithos Mar 2020 #125
Not sure why Bernie can't find his progressive roots in the Democratic Party Lithos Mar 2020 #122
This is normal politics Johnny2X2X Mar 2020 #126
What other Democrats has publicly stated they are running against the Democratic establishment? RAB910 Mar 2020 #138
You don't think other candidates have run as outsiders? Johnny2X2X Mar 2020 #160
I think there is a strong and distinct difference between running as an "outsider" and running RAB910 Mar 2020 #165
You mean the way he did in 2016? redstatebluegirl Mar 2020 #151
I'm more than a bit disturbed. ' wnylib Mar 2020 #133
I do NOT like it either. BigDemVoter Mar 2020 #134
I worry... TommyCelt Mar 2020 #136
Stop Sanders Billsmile Mar 2020 #137
What has Bernie Sanders done for my party? RAB910 Mar 2020 #147
It bothers me, too pandr32 Mar 2020 #152
I am disturbed that Joe is open to marlakay Mar 2020 #161
Oh good lord; not this again. He made a facetious response to a "gotcha" question LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #169
Agreed. Bernie Is Being a Hypocrite. TomCADem Mar 2020 #162
I am a life long Democrat. I'm a bit disturbed that my party is running against Sanders ProfessorPlum Mar 2020 #164
And When Warren Just Said Much The Same? corbettkroehler Mar 2020 #166
+1000 Blue_Tires Mar 2020 #176
It's LArider Mar 2020 #177
I am also a life long Democrat Tien1985 Mar 2020 #180
K&R betsuni Mar 2020 #181
I am a lifelong Democrat. joet67 Mar 2020 #182
An old phrase that now applies to Bernie: trickyguy Mar 2020 #184
I've been pissed about that for awhile now subana Mar 2020 #185
Well said RAB910 Mar 2020 #191
thanks! subana Mar 2020 #192
Bernie's effort to divide the party and carve a chunk off for himself bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #186
Sometimes we need to get our brain into a blank state, then move to the other side Perseus Mar 2020 #189
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