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mcar

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170. He appears to think that anyone who is not supporting him
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 02:55 PM
Mar 2020

is the establishment wing of the Democratic party. See his comments about South Carolina. Oh, and he also doesn't seem to think that black people are working class.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Yes... This is the kind of language that seems self-defeating to me. hlthe2b Mar 2020 #1
I believe he says he's running against the establishment wing of the party, thesquanderer Mar 2020 #7
The "establishment wing" of the party is a substantial and imporant part of the party StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #10
Both wings are important. And to some extent, both are running against each other. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #16
Two different things StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #18
Yes! Roy Rolling Mar 2020 #51
re: "It's an ad-hominem attack. It's an attack on people and not the issues." thesquanderer Mar 2020 #110
No. StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #131
But Sanders and his aggressive populist following Hortensis Mar 2020 #102
Time for Unity The Time is Now Mar 2020 #85
defending a half truth azureblue Mar 2020 #90
Of he's truly running against the leadership, he should say "leadership." StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #127
Don't you think the population of Democrats in DU, and others are part of the Democratic party? Perseus Mar 2020 #190
I am not sure what that even is. As far as I can tell it's a made up label RAB910 Mar 2020 #15
It may be made up, but he's referring to those who don't want major change to thesquanderer Mar 2020 #20
That's not what he's referring to StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #128
nope - that isn't his big gripe... lapfog_1 Mar 2020 #135
re: " I, for one, prefer it to complete socialist take over of the means of production." thesquanderer Mar 2020 #141
yes... look at his history lapfog_1 Mar 2020 #156
You've said nothing there about the means of production thing. (n/t) thesquanderer Mar 2020 #158
The Establishment is True Blue American Mar 2020 #154
What rules are you talking about? n/t thesquanderer Mar 2020 #175
It's like 'Deep State". Midnight Writer Mar 2020 #167
Oh, honey! Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! NurseJackie Mar 2020 #17
It only makes sense if your strategy is divide and conquer C_U_L8R Mar 2020 #30
That is the party! redstatebluegirl Mar 2020 #52
No, not necessarily.. whathehell Mar 2020 #63
Just say, "OK boomer's grand baby" Walleye Mar 2020 #82
I think he means the leadership of the party as well.... ehrnst Mar 2020 #66
He should say moderates duforsure Mar 2020 #76
Progressives won't do crap to stop Russian interference dansolo Mar 2020 #187
So now there is a wing of the party that are only Democrats when it's convienient? thenelm1 Mar 2020 #108
re: "And he expects the party to get obediently into line." thesquanderer Mar 2020 #111
OK, who exactly is in the "Establishment Wing?" ehrnst Mar 2020 #112
Not that simple. I'd say Warren is not establishment wing, and does not back Sanders thesquanderer Mar 2020 #115
"House Democrats just passed a slate of significant reforms to get money out of politics" ehrnst Mar 2020 #123
There are differences in the details. He talks about things like... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #178
Tom Perez True Blue American Mar 2020 #155
But "establishment" is a stupid, blanket-all term that seems to be flung at anyone Maru Kitteh Mar 2020 #145
Sanders considers all of the Party to be the establishment. LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #146
Nah. Warren? AOC?? Gabbard??? ;-) n/t thesquanderer Mar 2020 #148
He appears to think that anyone who is not supporting him mcar Mar 2020 #170
re: "doesn't seem to think that black people are working class" thesquanderer Mar 2020 #171
Sanders is not a Democrat. TNNurse Mar 2020 #188
It's poorly chosen language, IMO. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2020 #130
Ditto. CurtEastPoint Mar 2020 #2
The establishment? Are we back in the 1960's? Walleye Mar 2020 #3
Last primary season Bernie called Planned Parenthood the establishment. yes. he. did. riversedge Mar 2020 #9
He was talking about their political arm. And no, it's not the same thing... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #24
Oh gawd, I'd forgotten he labeled Planned Parenthood as "The Establishment." Maru Kitteh Mar 2020 #179
Only about 55 years njhoneybadger Mar 2020 #27
it should bother ALL of us Dems.... samnsara Mar 2020 #4
Curious why he simply does not run as a democrat? Watchfoxheadexplodes Mar 2020 #5
He said the only party he would consider joining is the Working Families Party... ehrnst Mar 2020 #109
It bothers me. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #6
He isn't a Democrat. Enter Username Here Mar 2020 #8
I don't care much about labels. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #157
In 2016 I voted for Bernie. blueinredohio Mar 2020 #11
This is exactly why I can't support Bernie. LiberalBrooke Mar 2020 #12
He's using the same playbook as trump did. oldsoftie Mar 2020 #13
Yup, they differ only by technique bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #21
I disagree that the political middle is our strength. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #173
Distribution of the political spectrum has traditionally been a bell-shaped curve bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #174
I mean, slight other differences quakerboy Mar 2020 #183
different sides handmade34 Mar 2020 #61
It bothers me too DownriverDem Mar 2020 #14
I find it disturbing as well. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #19
I think being opposed to the Democratic party is his main weakness in the primary bluedye33139 Mar 2020 #22
It's sort of a tough sell RAB910 Mar 2020 #25
THIS! Zoonart Mar 2020 #28
Exactly! Walleye Mar 2020 #48
me too. barbtries Mar 2020 #23
Just a bit???? Zoonart Mar 2020 #26
Bernie will use the Democratic Party, but will never be part of it. He's just too good for us. PubliusEnigma Mar 2020 #29
It is an ironic fact that he needs to use the ' system' to beat the ' system'. apcalc Mar 2020 #31
I am so pissed at Sanders and his "war against the Democratic party". It is bullshit. I'll vote still_one Mar 2020 #32
He wants to be president of the congregation greymattermom Mar 2020 #33
Bern this mother down IronLionZion Mar 2020 #34
It's coming back to bite Bernie in the ass njhoneybadger Mar 2020 #35
Agree Frances Mar 2020 #83
It's what I've been saying here for years... hurple Mar 2020 #36
The 2016 convention should have buried Sanders forever for any Democrat. Mars and Minerva Mar 2020 #43
Me too. Bern me once , shame on you. Bern me twice... apcalc Mar 2020 #60
True Democrat Smackdown2019 Mar 2020 #100
I suggest you vote accordingly, then. MineralMan Mar 2020 #37
Right? So he's running on the D ticket but disses they party 2naSalit Mar 2020 #38
Something inherently wrong with Bernie's thought process Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2020 #39
As a lifelong Democrat I share some distrust of the powers that be randr Mar 2020 #40
Who are the exclusionary "establishment"? Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #42
I know there are members of the DNC who have been there for a very long time randr Mar 2020 #49
So you can't name names Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #50
Without any effort here is the first thing that showed up randr Mar 2020 #77
The committee coordinates strategy to support Democratic Party candidates throughout the country Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #98
Not what I am saying at all randr Mar 2020 #150
It was long thought by many Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #153
The problems I am pointing out in our house randr Mar 2020 #159
Never said the DNC was highly revered Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #163
I am a lifelong and proud member of the Democratic Party Gothmog Mar 2020 #41
The way I view it LenaW Mar 2020 #44
Bernie isn't a Democrat....he will run third party with Gabbard a ashredux Mar 2020 #45
If being republican lite means being a Dem, no thank you. I want someone who brutus smith Mar 2020 #132
I've participated in a lot of DU juries lately Danascot Mar 2020 #46
The party itself has two factions: Centrist and Progressive. CaptYossarian Mar 2020 #47
Yes, a combo eould be good. Every political party has factions. apcalc Mar 2020 #62
centrist is not good either treestar Mar 2020 #99
Now we're getting into semantics (although I started it). CaptYossarian Mar 2020 #129
When he says that, it reminds of "Deep State" a bit. Which bothers me. chowder66 Mar 2020 #53
2016 Playbook; Wash, Rinse, Repeat djacq Mar 2020 #54
He is referring to the neoliberal, Third Way, Super Pac wing n/t AverageJoe Mar 2020 #55
Super PACs were literally invented by the AFL-CIO. So, is that who he means? (nt) Recursion Mar 2020 #59
He means those Democrats who are beholden to corporate money AverageJoe Mar 2020 #65
Corporations can't donate to candidates. Neither can Super PACs Recursion Mar 2020 #68
Gosh, you're right! AverageJoe Mar 2020 #72
Well, I mean, yes, I am. There's no such thing as "corporate money" in elections Recursion Mar 2020 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author redqueen Mar 2020 #119
Tired of his nonsense about Bullionaires buying this election....... Bengus81 Mar 2020 #56
He's running against the ESTABLISHMENT WING of the Party, whathehell Mar 2020 #57
There is no "establishment wing" There is no designation or title as such RAB910 Mar 2020 #67
Yes there is, and it needs no formal designation to be real whathehell Mar 2020 #78
So as a lifelong Democrat am I part of that "establishment"? RAB910 Mar 2020 #91
Only you can answer that.. whathehell Mar 2020 #139
As far as I can tell, "the Democratic establishment" and "the Democratic party" in interchangeable RAB910 Mar 2020 #144
I think that's the way you.choose to see it.. whathehell Mar 2020 #172
even so, why would he expect to win a nomination for a national office treestar Mar 2020 #96
Who says he doesn't? whathehell Mar 2020 #140
Just in case no one has already said this, but... marcopolo63 Mar 2020 #58
no one is more establishment than bernie sanders ..16 years as a rep...and voted a senator in 2006 dawn5651 Mar 2020 #64
BS could drop off the earth today and I would not care. we can do it Mar 2020 #69
Prepare for it to happen at the Convention, regardless whether Sanders wins the nomination or not. OnDoutside Mar 2020 #70
A good time to re-evaluate "our" party. mahannah Mar 2020 #71
How is it a good time? RAB910 Mar 2020 #97
I am a life long Democrat and I am a bit disturbed that Farmer-Rick Mar 2020 #73
I am a fellow life long Democrat AverageJoe Mar 2020 #84
How in the world is that man ever going to lead establishment Dems in congress? vlyons Mar 2020 #74
1000 emmaverybo Mar 2020 #168
I still don't see how Bernie is NOT part of the "establishment" he claims to despise. calimary Mar 2020 #75
Party before country, huh? FiveGoodMen Mar 2020 #79
how is that different than saying ideology before Country? What is the difference between loyalty to RAB910 Mar 2020 #95
The "ideology" is fairness for everyone. FiveGoodMen Mar 2020 #142
I remember someone said that ideology is like giving the answer before the question is asked RAB910 Mar 2020 #143
Sanders is about as 'establishment' as they come dalton99a Mar 2020 #80
I don't think so dualboy24 Mar 2020 #89
He use the Democrat yes you suits him Dream Girl Mar 2020 #124
What do you mean? dualboy24 Mar 2020 #149
+1,000,000 nt NYMinute Mar 2020 #81
At some of his rallies he points to the press people in the back of the room and calls them: George II Mar 2020 #86
Yes, "Me Too" He's like the guy who needs a ride, so you offer to let him ride with you. Fla Dem Mar 2020 #87
You're doing politics wrong. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2020 #88
How so? RAB910 Mar 2020 #93
Elected officials aren't rock stars. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2020 #105
My elected officials are not rock stars, but they are not terrible corrupt people either RAB910 Mar 2020 #107
I'm with you. marble falls Mar 2020 #92
I don't like it either treestar Mar 2020 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author democratisphere Mar 2020 #101
I established myself as a Democrat decades ago, when I first voted. CaptainTruth Mar 2020 #104
We're not going to lay down & let him take it either. William769 Mar 2020 #106
I understand that view but..... Under The Radar Mar 2020 #113
I'm a life long Democrat also. My first vote was in 1968. My biggest concern is getting rid of walkingman Mar 2020 #114
THANK YOU! It is alarming how many people on this board redqueen Mar 2020 #121
I'm not a bit disturbed :sarcasm: relayerbob Mar 2020 #116
Why is Sanders even allowed on the ballot in Democratic Primaries?? capechacon Mar 2020 #117
+ agree that it bothers me as well. Bernie is a registered Independent - why doesn't he run on iluvtennis Mar 2020 #118
I really feel like this country is not ready for a yuiyoshida Mar 2020 #120
The revolution is evolution Lithos Mar 2020 #125
Not sure why Bernie can't find his progressive roots in the Democratic Party Lithos Mar 2020 #122
This is normal politics Johnny2X2X Mar 2020 #126
What other Democrats has publicly stated they are running against the Democratic establishment? RAB910 Mar 2020 #138
You don't think other candidates have run as outsiders? Johnny2X2X Mar 2020 #160
I think there is a strong and distinct difference between running as an "outsider" and running RAB910 Mar 2020 #165
You mean the way he did in 2016? redstatebluegirl Mar 2020 #151
I'm more than a bit disturbed. ' wnylib Mar 2020 #133
I do NOT like it either. BigDemVoter Mar 2020 #134
I worry... TommyCelt Mar 2020 #136
Stop Sanders Billsmile Mar 2020 #137
What has Bernie Sanders done for my party? RAB910 Mar 2020 #147
It bothers me, too pandr32 Mar 2020 #152
I am disturbed that Joe is open to marlakay Mar 2020 #161
Oh good lord; not this again. He made a facetious response to a "gotcha" question LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #169
Agreed. Bernie Is Being a Hypocrite. TomCADem Mar 2020 #162
I am a life long Democrat. I'm a bit disturbed that my party is running against Sanders ProfessorPlum Mar 2020 #164
And When Warren Just Said Much The Same? corbettkroehler Mar 2020 #166
+1000 Blue_Tires Mar 2020 #176
It's LArider Mar 2020 #177
I am also a life long Democrat Tien1985 Mar 2020 #180
K&R betsuni Mar 2020 #181
I am a lifelong Democrat. joet67 Mar 2020 #182
An old phrase that now applies to Bernie: trickyguy Mar 2020 #184
I've been pissed about that for awhile now subana Mar 2020 #185
Well said RAB910 Mar 2020 #191
thanks! subana Mar 2020 #192
Bernie's effort to divide the party and carve a chunk off for himself bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #186
Sometimes we need to get our brain into a blank state, then move to the other side Perseus Mar 2020 #189
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