Democratic Primaries

Proud Liberal Dem

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39. Hillary won the PV

Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:55 PM

Mar 2020

She was clearly the people's choice by millions of votes. Between everything else that happened (that she herself documents here), there was also a 4-way vote split that enabled Trump to scrape up just enough votes to win the EC in several states that put him over the top. I know that the PV doesn't put a candidate into the office but it does prove that people actually do vote for "neoliberals" like Hillary and Gore, who faced an almost identical outcome in 2000. But when other third-party candidates jump into these races, they help split the vote on (often) the progressive side so that the Republican can scrape by with a plurality of the votes and win the EC and get into office.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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It was the Democrats' embrace of neoliberalism that won it for Trump [View all] peoli Mar 2020 OP

Yes, that whole first paragraph of factual hurtles they put up for HRC to get past. LizBeth Mar 2020 #1

What is neoliberalism? Walleye Mar 2020 #2

An economic philosophy that is pro-trade and skeptical of price controls Recursion Mar 2020 #23

What's the difference between a neoliberal and a plain old liberal? Walleye Mar 2020 #24

Probably like comparing a neo-conservative and an old school conservative Polybius Mar 2020 #25

Neoliberalism is not liberal Fiendish Thingy Mar 2020 #30

"pro-trade and skeptical of price controls" - like FDR? wyldwolf Mar 2020 #29

No- neoliberals are free market, no regulations Fiendish Thingy Mar 2020 #31

Well, no, neoliberals do not generally support laissez-faire Recursion Mar 2020 #35

"free trade," which is what the topic is, is not the same thing as free markets wyldwolf Mar 2020 #42

"Hillary by a landslide" is what put trump in the White House aeromanKC Mar 2020 #3

More BS Campaign Divisive Rhetoric That Shows Bernie's Not Fit To Be President TomCADem Mar 2020 #4

This is from 2016. Try to read before you auto react peoli Mar 2020 #7

The attitude pre-dates 2016. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #10

How 'Neoliberalism' Became the Left's Favorite Insult of Liberals TomCADem Mar 2020 #15

Thank you, what a useful article! Trying to win an argument with an epithet betsuni Mar 2020 #17

Naomi did not have a clue about Russia delisen Mar 2020 #52

Naomi Klein, as usual, is incorrect AGeddy Mar 2020 #5

lol Last time we heard anything from Naomi DURHAM D Mar 2020 #6

Ahem... yes, but Hillary did win the popular vote and got ratfucked out of her win by the EC. abqtommy Mar 2020 #8

I will never understand why anyone doubts that 2016 was almost entirely about the fake email scandal StevieM Mar 2020 #9

Hillary had a huge 6 pt lead right before squirecam Mar 2020 #38

And that was on top of the July press conference. StevieM Mar 2020 #44

No, Naomi, deregulation, privatisation, and austerity are Republican policies. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #11

Argh. How do Republicans become invisible to people like this? betsuni Mar 2020 #19

Looks like some people are stillfighting the 2016 primaries mercuryblues Mar 2020 #12

Klein is right. But since this site has been taken over by Biden supporters YOHABLO Mar 2020 #13

Thank you. Don't be afraid of anyone peoli Mar 2020 #14

Yeah, I remember the days when people like her were applauded here. progressoid Mar 2020 #16

Taken over? vercetti2021 Mar 2020 #18

Is this the coup Bernie has been talking about? emmaverybo Mar 2020 #61

Wait, are we a sleeper cell? Codeine Mar 2020 #62

"taken over" - says the guy who joined TEN YEARS after DU came online, wyldwolf Mar 2020 #26

If join date matters I was here in 2001 Gore1FL Mar 2020 #40

then you should know the site hasn't been "taken over" by anyone wyldwolf Mar 2020 #45

There was a mass migration in the past that left this site awkwardly moderate. nt Gore1FL Mar 2020 #47

the pouty Bernie bros left voluntarily after 2016 wyldwolf Mar 2020 #48

Mostly because people told them to leave. Gore1FL Mar 2020 #49

So in other words, they couldn't stomach to be here when their Lord and Savior lost wyldwolf Mar 2020 #50

The community cast them out and made them feel unwelcome. Gore1FL Mar 2020 #51

Not so, and doesn't even approach the point of the original poster wyldwolf Mar 2020 #54

In any event, making the atmosphere suck is no way to win support. Gore1FL Mar 2020 #63

Biden and Clinton are not neoliberals. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #32

More accurately loyalsister Mar 2020 #43

It was not "taken over." Read profiles. rzemanfl Mar 2020 #58

The trinity of trash. RhodeIslandOne Mar 2020 #20

I frequent Mother Jones and Democracy Now! regularly so I'm familiar with Klein pecosbob Mar 2020 #21

What is neoliberalism? Gothmog Mar 2020 #22

BS supporters favorite insult (neo-liberal shill) right after "the establishment." grossproffit Mar 2020 #27

Neoliberals are a problem Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #34

These attacks are dividing the party and helping trump Gothmog Mar 2020 #36

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2020 #28

Utter Nonsense, IMO. Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #33

She forgot Putin and also the fact we won by 3 million votes. robbedvoter Mar 2020 #37

Hillary won the PV Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2020 #39

trump might be in the W.H. but he didn't win Marthe48 Mar 2020 #41

little inconvenient truths always get in the way of left wing fundamentalism wyldwolf Mar 2020 #46

+++ still_one Mar 2020 #56

Left wing fundamentalism- that really sums it up redstateblues Mar 2020 #57

Left wing fundamentalism .....that's a new one on me peoli Mar 2020 #59

Pheh Cary Mar 2020 #53

Typical Naomi Klein anti-Democratic partybbullshit, and of course another Guardian OP ED pushing still_one Mar 2020 #55

It'd be much better for so many if Liz and Bernie's main goals, broadly speaking, were shared JudyM Mar 2020 #60

The Establishment did not destory sanders-he destroyed himself Gothmog Mar 2020 #64