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Gothmog

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11. Sanders's secret is out: He has no movement -
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 08:49 PM
Mar 2020

I have never taken sanders seriously as a candidate due to sanders complete and utter lack of legislative accomplishments. sanders has not been able to get his fellow Democratic members of Congress to back his agenda and that is not going to change. As I understand it, sanders is now relying on a magical voter revolution to convince republicans to be reasonable. sanders has no magical voter revolution or movement backing him up. sanders has a cap of around 30% of the Democratic voters and that does not constitute a movement or revolution




For months — for years, really — the media have reported that the Democratic Party has gone far left. They have treated social media as a barometer of the party’s political attitudes and characterized center-left candidates as out of touch with their own party. They have done so despite the triumph of moderate Democratic House candidates in 2018; despite the failure of left-wing Democrats to flip a single House seat; despite the polls showing a substantial percentage of Democrats consider themselves moderate or somewhat liberal; and despite the failure of super-progressive presidential candidates to attract the most critical element in the Democratic Party (African Americans).

With this faulty premise, the media’s coverage has been at times wildly off-kilter. It was easy for anyone caring to look closely to see that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) did not “win” a single debate, because his ranting and raving merely reinforced the fervor of his own cult while turning off the rest of the party. The media have been obsessed with the “likability” of female candidates, never considering that Sanders’s angry and rude demeanor would turn off women, who make up more than half of the Democratic electorate. A simple question — “Who is he gaining by all this yelling?” — should have been front and center in the media’s coverage. His “movement” was assumed but never examined carefully.....

Sanders’s ceiling turned out to be real, because there are generally less than a third of voters in the Democratic Party willing to embrace wide-eyed socialism, venom-filled rhetoric and utter disregard for the demands of governing (e.g. compromise). Michael Moore does not speak for the Democratic Party any more than Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) speaks for House Democrats. (I have long maintained that the person who has the best read on the party as a whole is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi; get to her left, and you are in no-man’s land.)

The Democratic Party does not live on social media nor does it favor bomb-throwers. If anything, it is desperate to play it safe and find an antidote to President Trump — not an imitation. Voters want the madness, the cruelty, the dysfunction and the stupidity to stop. They have found their safe, reliable and decent candidate in Biden. En masse — in every geographic region and Democratic group — they are telling us that they want the primary to end and the effort to rout Trump to begin. The media might have taken Sanders’s “revolution” seriously, but it turns out that Democratic voters as a whole did not.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Sanders is like a gnat in the sweltering hot weather in Florida. NT William769 Mar 2020 #1
Thank You! Jeeze! Cha Mar 2020 #2
Hey Cha Gothmog Mar 2020 #61
He needs to concede mcar Mar 2020 #3
He's having a hard time dealing with this. ucrdem Mar 2020 #4
He's beginning to look like a 21st Century Harold Stassen. George II Mar 2020 #6
That's giving him more credit than perhaps he deserves. ucrdem Mar 2020 #7
Bernie returned True Blue American Apr 2020 #102
So I had to look up Harold Stassen.. I knew Cha Mar 2020 #8
There are flies that orbit a charging bull's head NCProgressive Mar 2020 #5
Sanders won the issues, and with voters under 45. Biden won on electability. DanTex Mar 2020 #9
No he didn't! What are these "issues" that Sander won? The majority of Democrats AND.... George II Mar 2020 #10
so going forward.... Locrian Mar 2020 #13
The kind that we can pass quickly...millions of people's lives depend on it...can't have some huge Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #15
We have the infrastructure of the ACA in place, along with REAL Medicare (not some faux "for all") George II Mar 2020 #16
Medicare 4 All is not the panacea you think it is Aquaria Mar 2020 #39
Sanders's secret is out: He has no movement - Gothmog Mar 2020 #11
No, it obviously isn't. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #12
Of course it is! He won overwhelmingly among young voters. DanTex Mar 2020 #19
That's what Sanders' supporters claimed in 2016 Orrex Mar 2020 #31
And they were right. Young voters again went to Bernie by huge numbers. DanTex Mar 2020 #32
If they'd gone in huge numbers, he'd have won. Orrex Mar 2020 #34
But they didn't turn out in huge numbers Aquaria Mar 2020 #41
And if BS's "ideas" had any traction, Aquaria Mar 2020 #42
Again, ignoring the data. DanTex Mar 2020 #48
Think Joe Biden Has a Young Voter Problem? Think Again. Gothmog Mar 2020 #64
sanders young voters never showed up Gothmog Apr 2020 #100
Biden does not have an issue with young voters in the real world Gothmog Mar 2020 #45
Why do you think that he coudn't inspire them to register and get to a polling place on a Tuesday? ehrnst Mar 2020 #72
Memes and online polls do not vote Gothmog Apr 2020 #104
I still suspect Aquaria Mar 2020 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Anon-C Mar 2020 #56
Biden won and that is that...and M4A will never pass Congress. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #17
He won by cleaning up with older voters. Bernie and progressives are the future. DanTex Mar 2020 #20
Time is not on Bernie's side. nt William769 Mar 2020 #22
If Sander got younger voters, he could have won...they didn't show up Dan...his base Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #23
He did get younger voters by huge margins. Turnout was the problem. DanTex Mar 2020 #27
Woulda coulda shoulda Aquaria Mar 2020 #43
The Gauzy Myth of the Sanders Campaign Gothmog Mar 2020 #52
The young folks today will not get older and still be in his "movement." showblue22 Mar 2020 #26
Of course they will. It's a generational shift. DanTex Mar 2020 #30
If they didn't vote for him, you can't say that he won them. It's really that simple. Orrex Mar 2020 #35
They did vote for him. Just look at the exit polls. DanTex Mar 2020 #36
Joe Biden supported $15 minimum wage in 2015. betsuni Mar 2020 #44
LOL. For fast food workers in New York. DanTex Mar 2020 #46
Fight for Fifteen started in 2012 and has raised minimum wages around the country. betsuni Mar 2020 #50
LOL. Bernie has been driving the fight for $15. It has everything to do with Bernie. DanTex Mar 2020 #55
Reality Aquaria Mar 2020 #59
All this seems to be an excuse to repeat the word "centrist." betsuni Mar 2020 #60
"Pro-corporate centrists", please. Codeine Mar 2020 #66
The problem with this straw you clutch so desperately Aquaria Mar 2020 #51
Again, you ignore the exit poll data, which is understandable because it totally contradicts DanTex Mar 2020 #57
According to the exit data hard left lost to moderate in a landslide redstateblues Mar 2020 #58
But their "huge numbers" weren't enough to do shit for him Orrex Mar 2020 #62
Incidentally, I love how you tag dissenters as "centrist" Orrex Mar 2020 #63
Think Joe Biden Has a Young Voter Problem? Think Again. Gothmog Mar 2020 #47
LOL. Yeah, against Trump, of course Biden does better with younger voters. DanTex Mar 2020 #49
LOL the real world is a nice place Gothmog Mar 2020 #53
Message From Hillary Gothmog Mar 2020 #75
Folks are going to believe what they want, regardless of the reality jorgevlorgan Mar 2020 #18
It would take years to put every person in the country on Medicare...and the cost would be Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #24
new deal style policies would ease the pain of the millions who jorgevlorgan Mar 2020 #70
Reality says otherwise Aquaria Mar 2020 #38
You have no idea what young voters want Codeine Mar 2020 #65
A majority of Democrats just don't like Bernie. It's not that complicated Walleye Apr 2020 #101
I am so glad you posted this...K&R Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #14
You are welcomed Gothmog Mar 2020 #37
They offered similar bullshit rationalizations when he LOST in 2016 Orrex Mar 2020 #21
+10000 Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #25
Sen. Sander's will never admit or realize showblue22 Mar 2020 #29
Yeah, he's a big fan of the "fake news" accusation Orrex Mar 2020 #33
He was arguing with himself. betsuni Mar 2020 #28
Give Bernie his participation trophy and be done with it. NoMoreRepugs Mar 2020 #54
"The only thing he's owed is a chance to exit with grace." Tarheel_Dem Mar 2020 #67
"Sanders's vision for the party has been soundly and consistently rejected..." NurseJackie Mar 2020 #68
"Sanders's vision for the party has been soundly and consistently rejected." Hortensis Mar 2020 #69
+1000 oasis Mar 2020 #71
From the Hoarse Whisperer Gothmog Mar 2020 #73
Ouch! OnDoutside Mar 2020 #76
Why Can't Bernie Accept That Democratic Voters Didn't Want Him? Gothmog Mar 2020 #74
For me, the M4A litmus test excluded me from the revolution. bluedye33139 Mar 2020 #77
+1 betsuni Mar 2020 #81
He DID win the larger argument. Laelth Mar 2020 #78
Nope. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #79
Honestly, I don't care who deserves the credit. Laelth Mar 2020 #80
What ideas were considered "crazy" four years ago? betsuni Mar 2020 #82
M4A, UBI, Green New Deal (just to name three). Laelth Mar 2020 #83
Every four years the party platform becomes more progressive. That's how time works. betsuni Mar 2020 #84
Perhaps he takes more credit than he is due. Laelth Mar 2020 #89
Not Really, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #90
I see the red ink. I am not fond of it, either. Laelth Mar 2020 #91
Unfortunately, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #92
Not in the real world Gothmog Mar 2020 #85
No. The arguments haven't turned into reality yet. Laelth Mar 2020 #87
You do not take into account that the messenger has poisoned the message Gothmog Mar 2020 #93
sanders's secret is out: He has no movement - The Washington Post Gothmog Mar 2020 #86
Sanders can't win the nomination. Laelth Mar 2020 #88
sanders is not popular in the party Gothmog Mar 2020 #94
Why did Bernie Sanders drop out? The progressive majority he needed doesn't exist Gothmog Apr 2020 #106
Kick Cha Mar 2020 #95
Hey Cha Gothmog Mar 2020 #96
Thank you for that, Tweet, Goth! Please check out my OP Cha Mar 2020 #97
... Scurrilous Mar 2020 #98
How 'Never Bernie' Voters Threw In With Biden and Changed the Primary Gothmog Apr 2020 #99
Bernie Sanders is out. And the insincere praise begins. Gothmog Apr 2020 #103
Bernie Sanders Didn't Win the Ideas Primary, Either Gothmog Apr 2020 #105
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