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FBaggins

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286. Thank you for the correction

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:26 AM

Apr 2019

I was aware of the superdelegate rule change but must have missed the change to all proportional distribution.

I wouldn't say that it substantially changes the argument on this thread. Bernie wouldn't need any of "Hillary's voters" (as if that were a thing) in order to win because "Sanders voters" (same caveat) would be enough for a strong lead when a dozen or more candidates are splitting the remaining delegates...

... BUT it dramatically changes my perception of the most likely path for the next 15 months. The chances of a brokered convention hurting us in the general (eating up our fundraising and damaging our eventual nominee) just doubled or tripled in my estimation.

I suspect I'm going to have to deal with more than my share of "your concern is noted" sniping.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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How does Bernie think he's going to convince millions of voters who chose Hillary last time [View all] pnwmom Apr 2019 OP

I'm not sure he can win the South during primaries Shell_Seas Apr 2019 #1

he isn't. the plan is they will split among others JI7 Apr 2019 #4

and our nominee is not going to beat trump in the south rampartc Apr 2019 #278

We chose her because she was the most qualified person to ever run. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #282

+1 betsuni Apr 2019 #283

+1,000,000 Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #284

Are you sure about that? Shell_Seas Apr 2019 #285

i would need to be convinced to allow myself such optimism rampartc Apr 2019 #287

That's a BIG assumption!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #2

What's a big assumption? How do you think he will get Hillary voters to switch sides pnwmom Apr 2019 #3

Easy peasy... look no further than Bernie's progressive agenda. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #18

That doesn't answer my questions. I'll make it simpler. pnwmom Apr 2019 #24

Love Warren... could see voting for her myself. Just like Bernie slightly better... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #27

You know lots of people who supported Hillary over Bernie in the PRIMARIES, pnwmom Apr 2019 #35

No, Elizabeth is WAY more progressive than Hillary...and closer to Bernie on the political spectrum. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #40

So what you said makes even less sense. pnwmom Apr 2019 #49

Are you shocked that it makes no sense? BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #55

Because they got over it and moved on Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #124

They would have absolutely no reason to pick Bernie over a candidate pnwmom Apr 2019 #148

I'm over it.. here's the thing fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #165

Because many if not most people TheFarseer Apr 2019 #164

No, actually Elizabeth Warren is not more progressive than Hillary Clinton. lapucelle Apr 2019 #141

I don't care what ontheissues says... I'll go with what Hillary says, cuz no one knows InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #144

But even based on your argument, it would make no sense for a Hillary supporter pnwmom Apr 2019 #149

Thank you for finally showing Bernie proper respect by referring to him as a "Democratic Socialist" InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #154

Democratic socialists are a sub-group of socialists. And he freely describes himself pnwmom Apr 2019 #155

+1000 Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #166

What are you talking about? N/T lapucelle Apr 2019 #151

Or, they might see EW as more attractive a candidate than BS malchickiwick Apr 2019 #230

It doesn't make any sense mcar Apr 2019 #45

i voted HRC last time and am sticking with Joe this time..we need samnsara Apr 2019 #252

Yeah, same... l'd vote for Joe if he somehow managed to get the nom... but in the primary? Never. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #254

exactly..there are a lot of other candidates with progressive agendas.. samnsara Apr 2019 #251

What Agenda? Me. Apr 2019 #29

Slogans, Platitudes and Photo-ops nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #56

Wow, I did not know that. You should make that an op. Tipperary Apr 2019 #92

I do believe that it is in the mainstream from 2016, but good to be on the surface for 2020 Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #170

And BS's record is less progressive than that of Warren, Harris, Booker, and Gillibrand. lapucelle Apr 2019 #142

Seems Like A Not Trump Form Of 'Illlusion' Going On Here Me. Apr 2019 #162

It's remarkable that some of his supporters are not even aware of his record lapucelle Apr 2019 #194

Awhhh the truth of it!! Painful as it may be Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #168

Warren, Harris, Gillibrand, and Booker all have stronger progressive records than BS. lapucelle Apr 2019 #139

+1000 Power 2 the People Apr 2019 #201

a lot of us felt yelled at last time.. samnsara Apr 2019 #250

Yes, and the time before that... and we moved on. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #253

He doesn't need anyone to switch sides FBaggins Apr 2019 #90

Bernie wasn't even close to having a majority of pledged delegates last time, pnwmom Apr 2019 #169

So? Have you not seen a primary before? FBaggins Apr 2019 #172

So? We've already hit peak-Bernie. He's loved now by the same people who loved him last time, pnwmom Apr 2019 #173

Dems don't have winner-take-all primaries thesquanderer Apr 2019 #279

Thank you for the correction FBaggins Apr 2019 #286

re: "when a dozen or more candidates are splitting the remaining delegates" thesquanderer Apr 2019 #288

I also don't think that he'll keep "his" voters FBaggins Apr 2019 #290

How? He didn't even come close the last time. What has changed? Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #176

I don't think he will FBaggins Apr 2019 #183

Polls show Bernie Sanders' popularity among all voters is plummeting Gothmog Apr 2019 #234

Sounds more like wishful thinking! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #257

Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Apr 2019 #259

Glad you show Bernie proper respect by recognizing him as "frontrunner"...at least that's progress!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #261

In the real world, these numbers show that sanders is NOT electable Gothmog Apr 2019 #263

A significant portion of sanders support were really non-democrats who will not be back Gothmog Apr 2019 #241

They won't pick BS. Hillary should have been potus- he should have been out there campaigning Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #163

Hillary graciously took responsibility for her heart-wrenching loss... you should accept that. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #221

Many real democrats have very long memories Gothmog Apr 2019 #273

True, Hillary should've... soon it'll be Bernie, did've!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #291

So booing Congressman John Lewis will help win Clinton voters in the real world? Gothmog Apr 2019 #218

You can keep saying that over and over and over again... won't make your dreams come true. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #220

Have any significant number of African American voters shown up to a sanders event yet? Gothmog Apr 2019 #233

Have you found video of any significant number of African Americans attending a sanders event yet? Gothmog Apr 2019 #239

From my Twitter feed Gothmog Apr 2019 #289

I supported Bernie in 2016; I don't now. This is nonsense. RDANGELO Apr 2019 #5

What is nonsense? Why do you think millions of Hillary voters would switch to Bernie pnwmom Apr 2019 #7

What is the rational reason for Hillary supporters to hold a grudge against Bernie? RDANGELO Apr 2019 #25

Most Hillary supporters I know are reasonable, rational, and fair... they don't hold grudges... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #30

... BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #57

I will vote for Bernie if he is the nominee. But I don't know a single Hillary supporter pnwmom Apr 2019 #72

There are many. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #38

+∞ LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #47

lol melman Apr 2019 #63

+ 100 Me. Apr 2019 #97

It's not a matter of holding a grudge. He didn't interest them before and there's no reason pnwmom Apr 2019 #71

That's a reasonable analysis since Hillary supporters would tend to be more moderate. RDANGELO Apr 2019 #79

Yes, why Hillary supporters are more likely to go for Joe. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #255

It has little to do with him running against her radical noodle Apr 2019 #75

You nailed it! Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #182

Many MANY reasons, but not allowed to be posted. Amimnoch Apr 2019 #93

I don't think they're holding a grudge. lapucelle Apr 2019 #150

We didn't pick him the first time and now with even more choices we ain't gonna pick him now. UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #157

The rationale is he said he wouldn't play dirty in 2016.. he did. For 2020 he's hired attack dogs Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #181

That is not it. Many including me feel he did not support her properly in the general. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #205

Absolutely; "because he ran against her" doesn't even come close to describing the issue. LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #211

I am surprised that folks don't understand how horrifying the2016 general election was ... Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #212

I'm not, but getting into it is frowned upon LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #213

I said election not primary...the election of 16 was heartbreaking Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #223

Two things are different this time thesquanderer Apr 2019 #280

There won't be enough new voters to make up for the 4 million edge Hillary last time. pnwmom Apr 2019 #281

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #42

+∞ LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #48

I don't know, and I supported him in 2016 before switching to Hillary at the convention, The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #6

I totally agree. I voted Bernie in primary, then ended up with Hillary. Irishxs Apr 2019 #13

In my view the most intelligent candidate in the whole group is Warren, especailly in regard to her still_one Apr 2019 #19

I like Warren a lot, too. And I think she'd do much better in the general than Bernie would. pnwmom Apr 2019 #73

I agree. still_one Apr 2019 #77

There are many who are not that hung up on the past. dogman Apr 2019 #8

Why would a Hillary voter pick Bernie over one of the others? He's the same candidate pnwmom Apr 2019 #10

They might be sick of t-Rump and want to win. dogman Apr 2019 #15

That would be true in the general. But I don't know any Hillary supporters who think pnwmom Apr 2019 #20

I don't know any Hillary supporters at all, so I don't know what they think. dogman Apr 2019 #26

I know lots of Hillary (and Bernie) supporters, and I don't know a single Hillary supporter pnwmom Apr 2019 #37

There's this. dogman Apr 2019 #44

That's nothing but name recognition at this point. In 2015 very few people would have said pnwmom Apr 2019 #52

Yep, I'm so over the 2016 bickering, its a whole new ballgame now with a ton of good, progressive yaesu Apr 2019 #69

I think that's the point of the OP radical noodle Apr 2019 #78

I was a Hillary supporter True Blue American Apr 2019 #102

No... the past is so yesterday. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #59

Past is prologue. lapucelle Apr 2019 #195

Easy. He will appoint Briahna Joy Gray, David Sirota, and Nina Turner to high positions in his still_one Apr 2019 #9

Yep LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #51

I also believe Biden can win a general election still_one Apr 2019 #61

Those names hired by BS awesomerwb1 Apr 2019 #80

........................................................................................... still_one Apr 2019 #82

100% True Blue American Apr 2019 #103

Why should he? If he appeals to folks with his messaging, they'll vote for him. Decoy of Fenris Apr 2019 #11

Because he can't win the nomination without a MAJORITY of delegates. pnwmom Apr 2019 #12

Point being, I just don't think he cares. A brokered convention will winnow the field. Decoy of Fenris Apr 2019 #23

Holy Moses! The return of the fabled "BROKERED CONVENTION" Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #89

I mean I think it's a real possibility this time qazplm135 Apr 2019 #132

Well, golly, how did an electorate which voted for Barack Obama jberryhill Apr 2019 #14

Do you personally know any Hillary voters who are supporting Bernie now? pnwmom Apr 2019 #16

This may come as a shock jberryhill Apr 2019 #21

There's one on this board. But, there are Cha Apr 2019 #22

Wouldn't be me. calimary Apr 2019 #198

A huge factor was the economic collapse that occurred. That helped President Obama tremendously. still_one Apr 2019 #28

From what I've seen on Twitter Cha Apr 2019 #17

You can plug in any of the candidates names Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #32

Riiiiiiight... that's why Bernie leads in the polls among all the declared candidates. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #64

If sanders is the nominee, trump wins Gothmog Apr 2019 #274

I trust the voters... who trust Bernie!! Eventually, you'll realize you're wrong about Bernie... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #276

How can sanders get the nomination without African American voters? Gothmog Apr 2019 #277

You seem concerned. aidbo Apr 2019 #31

We all are "concerned" about getting Cha Apr 2019 #34

Totally agree. democratisphere Apr 2019 #43

And I don't know it's ... cannabis_flower Apr 2019 #46

Yes, I am. I think a brokered convention is a large possibility, and that will greatly reduce pnwmom Apr 2019 #39

I totally agree that a broakered could nvention will be the death of D win. Social media will Ninga Apr 2019 #256

More like SCARED...not sure why. Bernie's progressive agenda is extremely popular with likely voters InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #62

He doesn't stand out as progressive anymore. Not against people like Elizabeth. pnwmom Apr 2019 #74

Why mischaracterize Bernie's message? You know full well he doesn't label himself a "socialist"... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #91

Democratic socialists are still socialists. You are thinking of "social democrats," like the pnwmom Apr 2019 #108

Nope, BIG difference... please stop mislabeling Bernie, you're being disrespectful to him. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #112

I'm not mislabeling him. You are. Democratic socialists ARE socialists, pnwmom Apr 2019 #114

You might want to follow Obama's advice and stop with the circular firing squad... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #116

Bernie's already filed to run as an Independent for the Senate in 2024. pnwmom Apr 2019 #117

Yup, change the subject... I don't blame ya. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #119

Right. When tens of millions of Hillary supporters decide he's a better candidate pnwmom Apr 2019 #120

Hillary isn't running Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #131

She ran in 2016, in case you didn't notice. And the people who chose her over him, pnwmom Apr 2019 #134

that's not changing the subject! It points out the fact that he does not see himself as a dem Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #184

Obama was talking about attacks on Biden by a 2016 Sanders supporter Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #206

Labels over substance for 100, Alex Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #126

Right. That's exactly what Bernie is doing when he insists on the socialist pnwmom Apr 2019 #147

Democratic socialism is heavily regulated capitalism Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #125

I suppose you can make up your own definition for words, comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #143

Not according to the Democratic Socialists of America. pnwmom Apr 2019 #146

No it is not. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #207

Thanks pnwmom. I get so tired of people telling me better social services comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #140

Polls show Bernie Sanders' popularity among all voters is plummeting Gothmog Apr 2019 #236

in a very crowded primary, bernie can win the nomination AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #33

How? What makes you think he would win in a brokered convention with only 30% pnwmom Apr 2019 #36

Not only CAN Bernie win the nomination, but he WILL win it... the writing's on the wall. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #58

He had huge rallies in '16. Thousands and thousands of people who didn't vote lunamagica Apr 2019 #67

"Rallies are meaningless"... ohhh okayyyyy, whatever you say. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #118

I'll tell that to anyone. Crowds are miningless. Just ask President Romney lunamagica Apr 2019 #121

A lot of writing on walls is just graffiti. MineralMan Apr 2019 #95

He is not winning in New Hampshire. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #209

I think Biden puts an end to this plan. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #208

Not in the real world Gothmog Apr 2019 #264

surely they will AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #267

I will support the nominee Gothmog Apr 2019 #268

Simple Answer. democratisphere Apr 2019 #41

Everything right now is speculation. Let's cross that road when we come to it. YOHABLO Apr 2019 #50

I was a Hillary voter BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #53

Maybe not you, but many will jump on the "Bernie bandwagon" InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #60

... BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #65

But you were always a Sanders supporter. You can't talk for Hillary supporters lunamagica Apr 2019 #68

Why not. That seems to be what they are best at. NT WeekiWater Apr 2019 #128

Runaway with the nomination? Naaa Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #186

No or few Clinton voters will support sanders during the primaries Gothmog Apr 2019 #265

Agree. He will not be the nominee. apcalc Apr 2019 #129

Has he changed his party affiliation yet? dhol82 Apr 2019 #54

It's too early to be certain of much. A lot can happen. Jarqui Apr 2019 #66

Agree with every word! This needs to be said. R B Garr Apr 2019 #70

The same way they got millions of Hillary voters to vote for Obama. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #76

Obama didn't make Hillary lose BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #136

+++++++ comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #145

+1000 Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #187

LOL vsrazdem Apr 2019 #197

You might want to check your facts, and stop living in a fantasy world. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #199

+1 very good list treestar Apr 2019 #262

Too bad so many BS voters didn't vote for Hillary in the GE.. Cha Apr 2019 #81

Too bad so many Hillary voters didn't for for Obama in the GE vsrazdem Apr 2019 #200

That has nothing to do with the Cha Apr 2019 #224

The implication is that Bernie voters cost Hillary the election, which is untrue. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #225

Jill Stein is now officially the Ralph Nader of 2016. Cha Apr 2019 #238

With slogans. betsuni Apr 2019 #83

Same way any other candidate would have to quakerboy Apr 2019 #84

Here's the difference: pnwmom Apr 2019 #85

Then you have no worries quakerboy Apr 2019 #87

My concern is that it will be like last time. pnwmom Apr 2019 #88

Since that didnt actually happen last time quakerboy Apr 2019 #244

Actually, it did. There were protesters at the convention, who had arrived there pnwmom Apr 2019 #245

Except it didnt quakerboy Apr 2019 #246

Hillary would have lost fewer Democrats if some of them hadn't walked away after the convention. pnwmom Apr 2019 #247

I doubt even one was lost after the convention quakerboy Apr 2019 #269

Then why did Bernie campaign for Hillary at all if he didn't think it would make a difference? pnwmom Apr 2019 #270

He can't. There's a huge difference between those who Hortensis Apr 2019 #86

Same as it ever was. Picking up enough support from others as they drop out Tom Rinaldo Apr 2019 #94

Thanks for your posting, Tom! RobertDevereaux Apr 2019 #99

With all the qualified candidates out there he's going to have a difficult time... George II Apr 2019 #96

He REALLY should not have left the Democratic Party after 2016...but he did Baltimike Apr 2019 #98

He joined the party again Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #110

He did? When? nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #122

March 5th Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #123

But he ran as a Democrat for the Senate and then changed back after he won... Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #210

It really does feel like he was 'kicking us when we were down" when he left in 2016. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #248

Yes. I will never get over the 16 election and hope we can stop fascist Trump. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #266

It's now convenient for him Cha Apr 2019 #242

It's about the policy Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #100

I don't know that he does think that, and he certainly won't. KPN Apr 2019 #101

Do you think winning the nomination is his goal? MH1 Apr 2019 #104

+1 LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #105

Yet he is Miles Ahead of every other declared candidate Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #111

If he gets the nomination, I'll work to see that he wins. But, I'll do everything I can to prevent LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #113

I'll vote for the nominee in the general election. It won't be Sanders. nt MH1 Apr 2019 #115

Miles ahead? apcalc Apr 2019 #127

he isn't miles ahead, And an undeclared is ahead of him JI7 Apr 2019 #135

Hopefully better than his supporters did in 2016. namahage Apr 2019 #204

He's the frontrunner Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #133

Sorry, no he's not. revmclaren Apr 2019 #137

Attend one of his events, and roody Apr 2019 #106

This was the argument last time, but his events never translated into votes. LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #109

His events were covered on TV. Most of us don't need to see any more of them. pnwmom Apr 2019 #152

In this primary, how many are planning to vote for Hillary? Nt hughee99 Apr 2019 #107

Good question melman Apr 2019 #138

The real question is how many of Hillary primary voters will switch to Bernie, allowing him pnwmom Apr 2019 #177

I didn't think he would win last time, and I don't think he'll win this time. hughee99 Apr 2019 #189

The problem is that last time he led his followers to think he was going to win pnwmom Apr 2019 #190

His supporters thought they were getting robbed long before the convention, and hughee99 Apr 2019 #191

He doesn't really need to win over Hillary voters in the primary. Ace Rothstein Apr 2019 #130

Wrong. He can't win with just the plurality he got last time. It wasn't enough then pnwmom Apr 2019 #158

If Bernie has the highest delegate count then he should get the nomination. Ace Rothstein Apr 2019 #159

That's not how it works. It won't go to someone who only has 30 or 40% of the delegates pnwmom Apr 2019 #160

"actual Democrats" melman Apr 2019 #167

Actual Democrats don't file as Independents for the Senate in 2024 at the same time pnwmom Apr 2019 #171

But you weren't referring to him melman Apr 2019 #185

Thx.. so true Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #188

That would ensure a Trump victory and tear the party apart. Ace Rothstein Apr 2019 #192

It's looking like a likely possibility. That's why I was grateful that Hillary wasn't running again pnwmom Apr 2019 #193

You keep confusing delegates with voters FBaggins Apr 2019 #202

This is why Superdelegates are necessary LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #214

They certainly helped Clinton lock things up early last time around FBaggins Apr 2019 #215

Not going to get lured into "re-fighting the primary" LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #219

I have no intention of re-fighting anything FBaggins Apr 2019 #222

There is no reason to think that Bernie will. nt pnwmom Apr 2019 #229

I don't think he will either FBaggins Apr 2019 #232

I can't stand Bernie! leftieNanner Apr 2019 #153

This is likely his last chance at the WH, i am sure he will run 3rd party if he doesnt get D Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #226

Well that would suck! leftieNanner Apr 2019 #227

Oh yeah, I am not wrong. Sadly. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #228

A few points TheFarseer Apr 2019 #156

Now he's got a ton of name recognition, and voters have already made up their minds about him, pnwmom Apr 2019 #161

If you said TheFarseer Apr 2019 #179

Some of Bernie voters just didn't like Hillary. There's no telling who they might vote for, pnwmom Apr 2019 #180

Some just didn't like Hillary TheFarseer Apr 2019 #196

If he's the nominee, I will support him... cynatnite Apr 2019 #174

The OP was about the primaries, not the general. n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #175

I was trying to be polite. :) n/t cynatnite Apr 2019 #178

Does anyone have data that shows how many people Bernie is attracting? Politicub Apr 2019 #203

I agree. The short answer is...no they won't vote for him. Apple Fritter Apr 2019 #216

Polls show Bernie Sanders' popularity among all voters is plummeting Gothmog Apr 2019 #237

There are a large number of real democrats who will not support sanders for that reason Gothmog Apr 2019 #217

k and r nt Stuart G Apr 2019 #231

If we end up with a trump-Sanders election, Bernie will get my vote. Paladin Apr 2019 #235

The Russian effort to target Bernie Sanders supporters in 2016 was more than previously known Gothmog Apr 2019 #240

The Russian push for BS won't be anywhere near as successful this time. SFnomad Apr 2019 #243

i kind of felt yelled at by him during the last election.... samnsara Apr 2019 #249

He won't win PA in the general against Trump and ebbie15644 Apr 2019 #258

Bernie pamdb Apr 2019 #260

a lot of people voted for her due to perceived electablity KayF Apr 2019 #271

From the Hoarse Whisperer Gothmog Apr 2019 #272

Washingont Post-Can Bernie Sanders really win over Trump voters? Gothmog Apr 2019 #275

He won't NastyRiffraff Apr 2019 #292

I doubt that sanders will convert many Clinton voters due to stunts like this Gothmog Apr 2019 #293