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Aquaria

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47. Why do you deserve a bone?
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 01:44 AM
Apr 2020

What have “progressives” done to earn one?

What do you have to offer? What new voters did your side bring along? Your youth vote dream never materialized—exactly as more experienced political observers warned would happen. You made no new inroads with minorities—the supposed Latino surge is an illusion. When you look at the numbers more closely, you’ll see that there wasn’t any movement towards BS that couldn’t be explained by population growth. BS won in CA and the Texas border not thanks to a Latino surge, but thanks to BLOOMBERG, who siphoned off votes that Biden would have gotten. Or are you really deluded enough to think a Bloomberg voter would have voted for BS?

Go look at the numbers in CA, and you’ll see very few counties that Sanders won outright, but county after county where Biden+Bloomberg votes creamed BS.

Compare the Hispanic vote in 2016 with 2020, and the uptick is scarce to non-existent. Sure, he did great with the 18-44 Hispanics, but they don’t vote reliably. He sucked with the 44+ group who DO vote. And that is why in predominantly Hispanic counties like Hidalgo in Texas, he barely got 1000 more votes than he did in 2016. Worse, Biden and Bloomberg were literally breathing down the neck of BS in every Hispanic-majority county he “won.” Again, Hidalgo tells the story:

BS...............16683 votes....28.2%
Biden...........15877 votes....26.8%
Bloomberg....15106 votes....25.5%

You can find similar numbers to these all over Texas and CA. That’s why BS has Bloomberg, not his supposed Hispanic outreach, to thank for those wins.

Ad if that’s not enough, how will giving “progressives” that VP bone help Biden with suburban women and independents who will be crucial to putting him over the finishing line in November? If the majority of Democrats don’t even like “progressives” enough to vote for them, what makes you think the vast pool of reliable voters known as suburban women will? Or that independents will?

And just how do you think the party’s base of women and minorities would look upon that bone thrown your way after “progressives” have done nothing to earn it, and, worse, have gone out of their way to alienate that very base? Do you grasp at all how bad of an idea it’s been for “progressives” to deride a party’s base of women and minorities as “establishment” anything, simply because they didn’t bend the knee to the “progressive” dear leader?

If you want that small bone thrown your way, you need to earn it. Thus far, “progressives haven’t done anything that qualifies for such a concession.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
He should choose who he feels is the best person for the position. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #1
It's about uniting the party to win TheSocialDem Apr 2020 #2
Bernie needs to get busy. NurseJackie Apr 2020 #19
Okay.... but the VP needs to be able... Happy Hoosier Apr 2020 #44
Honestly, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #45
Why do you deserve a bone? Aquaria Apr 2020 #47
Solid Analysis, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #53
+100000 Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #61
You don't think there are and progressives that can do the job? TheSocialDem Apr 2020 #5
Who would fit the bill? treestar Apr 2020 #21
Name them. sheshe2 Apr 2020 #31
Not by the definition "progressives" use Aquaria Apr 2020 #49
It should be someone who best helps him win Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #54
I'm not getting why people need to be coaxed to the polls. HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #3
Sorry to hear you are bummed SheltieLover Apr 2020 #4
Ahhh...FYI: The Democratic Party base starts with African Americans, women... brush Apr 2020 #6
Exactly right.. Those are the Voters who propelled Cha Apr 2020 #8
Hey, Cha. Now we can get on with the GE campaign. Hope you're safe. brush Apr 2020 #9
Let's Hope So.. that this isn't all a Cha Apr 2020 #13
Yes. This relayerbob Apr 2020 #23
Kamala Yard is or Stacey Abrams would be great choices. nt tblue37 Apr 2020 #29
THANK YOU !!! uponit7771 Apr 2020 #43
Worse with the youth vote Aquaria Apr 2020 #50
Spot on analysis. brush Apr 2020 #63
Exactly right. SharonClark Apr 2020 #72
Here is the thing. Hoping for Sanders since immediately it was known Sanders wasn't happening. LizBeth Apr 2020 #7
It's four years old. /nt frazzled Apr 2020 #12
Yes. I will not get on the band wagon of coddling ego. If Trump and death of others doesn't matter LizBeth Apr 2020 #17
Five years, if you count 2015 Aquaria Apr 2020 #48
I sincerely dislike Sen. Sanders and yet I would have crawled across broken glass to vote for him Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #10
Boom! Squinch Apr 2020 #15
Thank you...Squinch Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #39
We're hanging in here in these very strange times. So far Squinch Apr 2020 #57
I tested negative ...had strep throat...never though that would make me happy. My daughter's Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #65
Im sorry to hear that. But good that you were negative. Squinch Apr 2020 #66
Brava! sheshe2 Apr 2020 #27
Thank you sheshe2 Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #38
guess what there are many democrats who have progressive values besides sanders nt msongs Apr 2020 #11
My progressive view Tetrachloride Apr 2020 #14
That's not what "the base" means. NurseJackie Apr 2020 #16
The base of the party consists of the Democratic voters who always frazzled Apr 2020 #18
Yeah! You tell em!! hangaleft Apr 2020 #62
No do this instead treestar Apr 2020 #20
This! mcar Apr 2020 #24
The base? mcar Apr 2020 #22
Progressives can progress... sheshe2 Apr 2020 #30
This is a good point. BGBD Apr 2020 #36
The Base Of The Party, Sir, Are Those Who Can Be Relied On To Vote For Its Candidates The Magistrate Apr 2020 #25
Bones usually are an indicator of death. OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2020 #26
Serious question Claustrum Apr 2020 #28
Bernie doesn't compromise. He wants total surrender. He will comradebillyboy Apr 2020 #59
My question isn't directed at Bernie Claustrum Apr 2020 #68
It Is A Good Question, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #70
There is no placating Sanders. Biden is properly comradebillyboy Apr 2020 #71
Honestly why care about VP? Loki Liesmith Apr 2020 #32
The VP pattyloutwo Apr 2020 #67
I hope Kamala meets your exacting standards Clash City Rocker Apr 2020 #33
Probably be her? Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #58
So You Had To THrow A Snark At HRC With This Post Me. Apr 2020 #34
I am SO sick of this fight. Laelth Apr 2020 #35
So. sheshe2 Apr 2020 #37
One Passes Into A Mirror World, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #40
We women and minorities have somehow arrived. Aquaria Apr 2020 #51
+1 betsuni Apr 2020 #52
You forget -- Biden has been progressive all his life DenverJared Apr 2020 #41
Who is not progressive, in your opinion? ismnotwasm Apr 2020 #42
You might like Hilda Solis, the former Secretary of Labor. StevieM Apr 2020 #46
What does "pretty pessimistic about the whole thing" mean? betsuni Apr 2020 #55
I agree Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #56
But you thought Yang and Sanders SharonClark Apr 2020 #73
I thought their ideas were where I wanted this country to head towards. Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #74
The choice on VP should not be based on throwing "progressives" a "bone" honest.abe Apr 2020 #60
Don't want to be harsh, but welcome to reality. ucrdem Apr 2020 #64
Keep your eye on the prize and bigger picture Politicub Apr 2020 #69
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