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The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
17. Not Quite, Sir
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 09:45 AM
Apr 2020

Mr. Biden will have a solid majority of delegates. There is no question today that the majority prevails, and there never will be.

Sanders spoke while there was a crowded field, in the expectation he would have a plurality of delegates, but one well short of a majority. In such a situation, in which it would be obvious that a great majority of voters had rejected Sanders, but had divided that rejection up between several candidates, Sanders proposed that he should carry the nomination, even though he might have no more than a third or so of the delegates. He intended to tar as illegitimate any combination at the convention of his several rivals behind any single one of them. Without a majority, Sanders could not have gained the nomination on the first ballot, and on subsequent ballots, delegates would be free to vote as they thought best, and delegates at large could vote as well. The danger, from Sanders' point of view, was that on a second or third ballot, the two thirds of delegates who did not want Sanders (probably raised closer to three quarters with delegates at large added into the total), would unite behind a single candidate to provide him or her in numbers that would secure the nomination by a solid majority for someone other than Sanders.

Sanders spoke not in support of a convention result that reflected the will of most voters and delegates (which would be that Sanders not be nominated), but rather in support of the proposition that a candidate rejected by an overwhelming portion of primary voters, and whom a great majority of convention delegates opposed, should nonetheless carry the nomination. Because out of a field of four or five candidates, his share of delegates might be larger than that of any single one of his opponents. This would be good enough for a 'first past the post' election to office, but that is not what a Party convention is. A Party convention is not a formality ratifying the sum total of primary and caucus results in the various states and other jurisdictions. A Party's convention is an assembly in which delegates selected, whether by primary or caucus or the Party itself, gather to decide collectively whom they wish to be the Party's standard-bearer. The rules for this require a majority of delegates. Some years ago, in the Democratic Party, nomination for President required two thirds of the delegates voting for a candidate.





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If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Oh, but that was a different era! Why bring up such ancient history? Hermit-The-Prog Apr 2020 #1
lol.. yeah, it does seem like a lifetime ago when BS Cha Apr 2020 #4
I'm just hoping for a convention without screaming BSers and duct tape. Hermit-The-Prog Apr 2020 #5
It is so devastatingly heartbreaking Cha Apr 2020 #6
There Seems, Ma'am, To Be A Profound Misunderstanding Among Some About This The Magistrate Apr 2020 #2
Thank you for that, TM.. I thank Joe Biden owes Cha Apr 2020 #8
FYI.. here's another one that didn't age so well.. Cha Apr 2020 #10
How Cillizza Makes A Living At This Is A Constant Amazement, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #11
lol.. also, in some part it may have been attributed to Cha Apr 2020 #12
He was quite correct, wasn't he? MineralMan Apr 2020 #3
Yes he's right.. he was talking about himself, of course, Cha Apr 2020 #9
😂 we can do it Apr 2020 #7
Didn't age well... Haaaaaaa! NurseJackie Apr 2020 #13
I think it aged fine. Sanders has again been consistent, after all. n/t thesquanderer Apr 2020 #14
Oh please.. spare me. BS was talking about himself.. Cha Apr 2020 #15
re: "if somebody else had the most votes than he'd say something else." thesquanderer Apr 2020 #16
Not Quite, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #17
While all of that may be true, it also does not appear to contradict anything I said. n/t thesquanderer Apr 2020 #19
You Provide A Poor Imitation Of A Fool, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #20
All I took issue with was your opening line: "Not Quite, Sir" thesquanderer Apr 2020 #21
We Are Done, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #22
Aged like milk Politicub Apr 2020 #18
Thank you, Politicub.. Cha Apr 2020 #23
Not well at all. William769 Apr 2020 #24
For once, I agree with BS. Who knew? Tarheel_Dem Apr 2020 #25
I'm left wondering at what point Sanders' supporters will begin saying Biden doesn't have 1,991 sop Apr 2020 #26
You speak wisely little one.... LakeArenal Apr 2020 #27
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