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Tom Rinaldo

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12. At what point will it be considered divisive
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:26 AM
Apr 2019

to keep repeatedly attacking Bernie Sanders and the millions of registered Democrats who support him? It's a legitimate question and one that deserves an honest response.

Whatever his registered status may be, a very significant number of Democrats view Sanders positively. He had much higher favorability numbers in 2016 than any other Democratic candidate. His favorability numbers remain much higher than our presidential candidate had in the 2016 General Election. I am not commenting on whether or not Sanders would be our best candidate in 2020, that is what this primary season will attempt to sort out. I'm simply stating something that should be obvious to all by now. Sanders was not simply a one time fluke whose support all just melted away as soon as a few other Democrats expressed interest in becoming President.

A big portion of the Democratic Party likes Bernie Sanders, even if that should turn out to be a clear minority of the Democratic Party. Among younger Democrats (our future) his support is even stronger. One person's critique is another person's smear, and vice versa. It is an endless circular argument. But negativity, as you say, is easier to clearly identify. Ultimately, as you say, negativity breeds apathy.

"When you have apathy, that discourages voter turnout. When you have low voter turnout that gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections". That argument cuts both ways. There has been and continues to be much negativity, if not smears, directed at Bernie Sanders. For the sake of discussion let's just say that some people have strong legitimate reasons to feel negatively about Sanders. There is already talk about an organized "stop Sanders" movement. At what point does that become divisive when virtually a million people have already made donations to his campaign?

The consensus talking point about Bernie Sanders here for those who do not like him is that they will support him in the General Election in the unlikely event that he becomes our nominee. Fine as far at that goes. But at what point does the unrelenting negative focus some here place on Sanders start to "weaken" him in the plausible event that he does become our nominee? At what point does it spread apathy toward supporting Democrats in 2020 should Sanders be our nominee? At what point is the damage done?

It is rare to find OP's in this forum that are highly critical of other possible candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination. It is quite common to find those here against Sanders, even though Sanders leads in all polls nationwide of declared Democratic candidates, and leads all our possible candidates in fund raising. A case can now be made, in real time, that it is the anti-Sanders "bloc" that currently most breeds division in the Democratic Party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
He's exactly right. shanny Apr 2019 #1
Yup, yup... very sage advice. But, coming from Bernie, I'm sure it'll be criticized incessantly. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #27
IKR? shanny Apr 2019 #31
We can do both . . . Iliyah Apr 2019 #2
We are not doing nothing, but Trump wins by playing the victim. marylandblue Apr 2019 #9
Ummm, the operative phrase was not to "spend all of their time attacking" Tom Rinaldo Apr 2019 #10
Did he say anything about how unwise it is to smear the Democratic party? NurseJackie Apr 2019 #3
+1 nt Skidmore Apr 2019 #5
At what point will it be considered divisive Tom Rinaldo Apr 2019 #12
Oh, Tom... nobody is doing that! NurseJackie Apr 2019 #17
You had your post to make your point. I used mine to make another Tom Rinaldo Apr 2019 #18
Good to see what one's priorities are. NurseJackie Apr 2019 #19
I'm not going to pretend that you haven't already aired your "concerns" a hundred tmies Tom Rinaldo Apr 2019 #20
I think the problem is expectations BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #22
Speaking for myself only, though I'm sure I'm not alone Tom Rinaldo Apr 2019 #24
My point is when someone is a passionate advocate for wealth inequality while also being wealthy BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #26
OK, I agree with that. n/t Tom Rinaldo Apr 2019 #29
No he won't. That's just wishful thinking. NurseJackie Apr 2019 #23
We are not just talking about "one man". Many Millions of Democrats support Sanders Tom Rinaldo Apr 2019 #25
I agree with you 100%, Tom. Bluepinky Apr 2019 #36
Yes I am. You may not be, but I am. NurseJackie Apr 2019 #37
Thank you Tom sacto95834 Apr 2019 #40
I could tell you why he doesnt want people to slam rump, but I dont dare. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #34
As far as I am concerned, this is a Russian talking point Ponietz Apr 2019 #4
One puppetmaster BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #7
Bingo. dalton99a Apr 2019 #13
Failure to impeach the turd will: Ponietz Apr 2019 #16
codswollop shanny Apr 2019 #32
Yes .. Sanders says BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #6
I'll wait for St. Bern to win a national election first before taking his advice... Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #8
Trump has won a national election. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #28
The election that the Russians helped ratfuck? Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #33
the 2016 campaigning was "not that woman" by Trump side. Clinton talked about issues JI7 Apr 2019 #45
To everyone but RWNJs, Trump sinks his own ship n/t TexasBushwhacker Apr 2019 #30
Stick to the issues.... ProudMNDemocrat Apr 2019 #11
Hillary kept her head down and stuck to the issues Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #35
Trump wants a Democrat to wallow in the gutter with him...... ProudMNDemocrat Apr 2019 #39
That's why I'm scared of Biden. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #46
True... Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #14
It's a waste of energy and media time loyalsister Apr 2019 #42
Right, let's attack NAFTA and the ACA instead. ucrdem Apr 2019 #15
He's right. elleng Apr 2019 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author brandnewday2009 Apr 2019 #38
i'm fine with just attacking trump garybeck Apr 2019 #41
Nobody is spending all their time attacking Trump. betsuni Apr 2019 #43
yup, which candidate is spending all their time attacking Trump ? JI7 Apr 2019 #44
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