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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: The 2020 Race Is Going Just Like Bernie Sanders Wanted [View all]Gothmog
(156,662 posts)23. No one took sanders seriously in 2016 and so sanders was not vetted
No one took sanders seriously and so he was not vetted. Vetting is important I amso glad that sanders is being vetted this cycle https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/28/why-bernie-sanders-has-an-uphill-climb-ahead/?utm_term=.1b4f90c2a717
Finally, what happens when the oppo dump on Sanders comes? We have no idea, because it never happened in 2016. Clinton was so terrified of alienating his supporters and seeing them vote for Jill Stein in the general election (or not vote at all) that she tiptoed around him for pretty much the entirety of the primary campaign. That doesnt mean that hell be destroyed when stories about the more colorful aspects of his history start cropping up, but theres just no way to know.
Which is what we could say about the Sanders candidacy as a whole: Theres no way to know how its going to go. But hes got his work cut out for him.
Which is what we could say about the Sanders candidacy as a whole: Theres no way to know how its going to go. But hes got his work cut out for him.
See also https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/19/politics/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-donald-trump/index.html?utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2019-02-20T14%3A52%3A07&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social%C2%A0
2. How will he withstand more scrutiny and more attacks?
One of the secrets to Sanders' success in 2016 was that no one -- most especially Clinton -- thought he had any chance of going anywhere in the race. Clinton largely ignored him for the better part of 2015, allowing some problematic parts of Sanders' record for Democrats -- most notably his voting record on guns -- to go unnoticed. (When the race began to tighten, Clinton gently prodded Sanders on guns and health care.) Sanders, too, largely flew under the radar of investigative reporters for major news outlets who were busy looking into Clinton, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and others seen as more viable candidates. (That reality clearly benefited Donald Trump in the early days of the campaign, as well.)
Sanders will get no pass -- from either the media or his fellow candidates -- this time around. He is among the frontrunners -- and will be treated as such. His wife's time as president of Burlington College could well come up. And his opponents will do a deep dive into his nearly 30 years of votes as a member of the House and Senate. This is all very normal stuff in a campaign. But not for Sanders.
One of the secrets to Sanders' success in 2016 was that no one -- most especially Clinton -- thought he had any chance of going anywhere in the race. Clinton largely ignored him for the better part of 2015, allowing some problematic parts of Sanders' record for Democrats -- most notably his voting record on guns -- to go unnoticed. (When the race began to tighten, Clinton gently prodded Sanders on guns and health care.) Sanders, too, largely flew under the radar of investigative reporters for major news outlets who were busy looking into Clinton, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and others seen as more viable candidates. (That reality clearly benefited Donald Trump in the early days of the campaign, as well.)
Sanders will get no pass -- from either the media or his fellow candidates -- this time around. He is among the frontrunners -- and will be treated as such. His wife's time as president of Burlington College could well come up. And his opponents will do a deep dive into his nearly 30 years of votes as a member of the House and Senate. This is all very normal stuff in a campaign. But not for Sanders.
Now we can see how sanders reacts to being vetted
Link to tweet
Among some Democrats, there was a sense of bewilderment that the Sanders campaign had goneas one operative put itnuclear over a mere web video. One Democratic consultant sympathetic to Sanders described the video as being like a gnat buzzing around your ear, one which should not have distracted from the candidates Midwest tour.
It also raised questions as to whether the senator was ready for the scrutiny that would come from being a frontrunning candidate, after having run as an insurgent against an ideal foil, Hillary Clinton, in 2016.
When youre leading in the polls of president of your party you should expect investigative stories to hit at least once a week and to be attacked by your opponents every day, said Ben Labolt, who served as press secretary to Barack Obama during the 2012 campaign. An attack on something like ThinkProgress is the sign of a super-narrow-minded campaign that isnt actually thinking of how the election will be won... They have chosen an establishment force that no one outside of the Starbucks at 16th and K would recognize.
It also raised questions as to whether the senator was ready for the scrutiny that would come from being a frontrunning candidate, after having run as an insurgent against an ideal foil, Hillary Clinton, in 2016.
When youre leading in the polls of president of your party you should expect investigative stories to hit at least once a week and to be attacked by your opponents every day, said Ben Labolt, who served as press secretary to Barack Obama during the 2012 campaign. An attack on something like ThinkProgress is the sign of a super-narrow-minded campaign that isnt actually thinking of how the election will be won... They have chosen an establishment force that no one outside of the Starbucks at 16th and K would recognize.
I am glad that sanders is being vetted
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If you're trying to say something about me, just come out and fuckin' say it...
Blue_Tires
Apr 2019
#6
Not about you. But with such an active site, still puzzled that the majority here
question everything
Apr 2019
#8
Since you're keeping score, you'll remember who I initially had before I went back to undec, right?
Blue_Tires
Apr 2019
#11
re: "What are you going to do if your favorite candidate drops out early or performs poorly?"
thesquanderer
Apr 2019
#43
The majority of DUers aren't undecided, 43% of DUers are currently undecided. nt
PunkinPi
Apr 2019
#36
Nah, too many others who will pull votes from him. He's got his loyal base but it isn't the base...
brush
Apr 2019
#2
'stick with sanders no matter what..? i hope that means they will support the dem nom..???
samnsara
Apr 2019
#25
A lot of assumptions there. Leaving out Biden and Sanders, the cumulative support for the other
still_one
Apr 2019
#30
Being consistent at 15-20% of the vote won't win the nomination, particularly if there are other
TexasTowelie
Jul 2019
#52
It will when there are 18 other canidates vying for the same kind of support
Tiggeroshii
Jul 2019
#53
Many expect the situation only to get worse now that the BS campaign is embroiled
lapucelle
Jul 2019
#77