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Gothmog

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23. No one took sanders seriously in 2016 and so sanders was not vetted
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:40 PM
Apr 2019

No one took sanders seriously and so he was not vetted. Vetting is important I amso glad that sanders is being vetted this cycle https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/28/why-bernie-sanders-has-an-uphill-climb-ahead/?utm_term=.1b4f90c2a717

Finally, what happens when the oppo dump on Sanders comes? We have no idea, because it never happened in 2016. Clinton was so terrified of alienating his supporters and seeing them vote for Jill Stein in the general election (or not vote at all) that she tiptoed around him for pretty much the entirety of the primary campaign. That doesn’t mean that he’ll be destroyed when stories about the more colorful aspects of his history start cropping up, but there’s just no way to know.

Which is what we could say about the Sanders candidacy as a whole: There’s no way to know how it’s going to go. But he’s got his work cut out for him.

See also https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/19/politics/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-donald-trump/index.html?utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2019-02-20T14%3A52%3A07&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social%C2%A0

2. How will he withstand more scrutiny and more attacks?
One of the secrets to Sanders' success in 2016 was that no one -- most especially Clinton -- thought he had any chance of going anywhere in the race. Clinton largely ignored him for the better part of 2015, allowing some problematic parts of Sanders' record for Democrats -- most notably his voting record on guns -- to go unnoticed. (When the race began to tighten, Clinton gently prodded Sanders on guns and health care.) Sanders, too, largely flew under the radar of investigative reporters for major news outlets who were busy looking into Clinton, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and others seen as more viable candidates. (That reality clearly benefited Donald Trump in the early days of the campaign, as well.)

Sanders will get no pass -- from either the media or his fellow candidates -- this time around. He is among the frontrunners -- and will be treated as such. His wife's time as president of Burlington College could well come up. And his opponents will do a deep dive into his nearly 30 years of votes as a member of the House and Senate. This is all very normal stuff in a campaign. But not for Sanders.

Now we can see how sanders reacts to being vetted



Among some Democrats, there was a sense of bewilderment that the Sanders campaign had gone—as one operative put it—”nuclear” over a mere web video. One Democratic consultant sympathetic to Sanders described the video as being “like a gnat buzzing around your ear,” one which should not have distracted from the candidate’s Midwest tour.

It also raised questions as to whether the senator was ready for the scrutiny that would come from being a frontrunning candidate, after having run as an insurgent against an ideal foil, Hillary Clinton, in 2016.

“When you’re leading in the polls of president of your party you should expect investigative stories to hit at least once a week and to be attacked by your opponents every day,” said Ben Labolt, who served as press secretary to Barack Obama during the 2012 campaign. “An attack on something like ThinkProgress is the sign of a super-narrow-minded campaign that isn’t actually thinking of how the election will be won... They have chosen an establishment force that no one outside of the Starbucks at 16th and K would recognize.”

I am glad that sanders is being vetted
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Tulsi Gabbard? Seriously? Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #1
At least s/he selected someone question everything Apr 2019 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Apr 2019 #5
If you're trying to say something about me, just come out and fuckin' say it... Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #6
Not about you. But with such an active site, still puzzled that the majority here question everything Apr 2019 #8
Since you're keeping score, you'll remember who I initially had before I went back to undec, right? Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #11
You're just being baited. Walk away. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #16
If they read the question, I don't believe most Undecideds truly are. thesquanderer Apr 2019 #42
How about.. sacto95834 Apr 2019 #29
re: "What are you going to do if your favorite candidate drops out early or performs poorly?" thesquanderer Apr 2019 #43
I hear you... sacto95834 Apr 2019 #45
Exactly. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #70
The majority of DUers aren't undecided, 43% of DUers are currently undecided. nt PunkinPi Apr 2019 #36
Hilariously, the same same sentiment can apply to your original comment. Lancero Apr 2019 #17
Someone pimpin' Tulsi says a hell of a lot more than my undecided... Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #26
Why isn't it ok to be undecided at this point? Bradshaw3 Apr 2019 #10
that's a pretty jerkish comment qazplm135 Apr 2019 #12
It is? BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #20
What is wrong with undecided? cwydro Apr 2019 #32
I don't either at this point. To be honest there doc03 Jul 2019 #76
They changed to Seth Moulton. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #64
Nah, too many others who will pull votes from him. He's got his loyal base but it isn't the base... brush Apr 2019 #2
Oddly enough, when I checked RCP, TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #71
Gotta Love Tulsi bahrbearian Apr 2019 #4
Tulsi is my homie! sacto95834 Apr 2019 #35
"without the attention or scrutiny" bluedigger Apr 2019 #7
Right workinclasszero Apr 2019 #14
That stood out to me as well. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #15
No one took sanders seriously in 2016 and so sanders was not vetted Gothmog Apr 2019 #23
I'm glad that all of the candidates are being vetted. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #73
Vetting is a good thing Gothmog Jul 2019 #80
No, a number of other things are going on. But #1 Hortensis Apr 2019 #9
it's not really even started yet qazplm135 Apr 2019 #13
Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #18
sanders supporters think that sanders can win nomination with 30% of vote Gothmog Apr 2019 #22
Check further down the thread. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #74
That is not going to happen Gothmog Jul 2019 #79
Or Biden's base artislife Apr 2019 #27
Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #19
sanders is counting on splitting African American vote Gothmog Apr 2019 #21
He needs a new plan then booksandpencils Apr 2019 #37
You are correct. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #75
And infighting MFM008 Apr 2019 #24
Bernie is hoping for a brokered convention. Gothmog Apr 2019 #49
'stick with sanders no matter what..? i hope that means they will support the dem nom..??? samnsara Apr 2019 #25
Yes .. he has consolidated his devotees BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #28
You're aware he got 43% of the primary vote in 16 right? Kentonio Apr 2019 #38
Like I said somewhere else BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #39
We'll see. Kentonio Apr 2019 #40
The proof is in the polls BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #41
The polls show him in the lead amongst announced candidates. Kentonio Apr 2019 #44
From 43% in the primaries in 2016 BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #46
Pretty nonsense analysis to be honest. Kentonio Apr 2019 #47
A lot of assumptions there. Leaving out Biden and Sanders, the cumulative support for the other still_one Apr 2019 #30
I do think it looks reasonably good for Sanders. David__77 Apr 2019 #31
You do know many real democrats have long memories Gothmog Apr 2019 #34
sanders wants to repeat 1984 Gothmog Apr 2019 #33
Nate Silver- Sanders Can Win, But He Isn't Polling Like A Favorite Gothmog Apr 2019 #48
This thread didn't age well. nt TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #50
It's aged just fine. Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #51
Being consistent at 15-20% of the vote won't win the nomination, particularly if there are other TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #52
It will when there are 18 other canidates vying for the same kind of support Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #53
LOL. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #54
Agreed. Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #55
Perhaps you misunderstood my comment because we aren't in agreement. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #56
Perhaps you misunderstood mine Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #58
That's a bold statement TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #59
Polls rght now are as accurate as polls were at this time in 2015 Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #60
I don't bet on any political races TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #61
... Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #62
Biden never lost a single primary. George II Jul 2019 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #67
Why would anyone make such a claim when is knowingly false TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #68
That's what I Cha Jul 2019 #63
Oh my sheshe2 Jul 2019 #66
Yes, as discussed above some people believe that 15% is greater than 25%. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #69
Lol sheshe2 Jul 2019 #72
Many expect the situation only to get worse now that the BS campaign is embroiled lapucelle Jul 2019 #77
Yes, I agree. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #78
If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states Gothmog Jul 2019 #57
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