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Drunken Irishman

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27. This is my biggest issue with the whole e-mail scandal...
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 02:10 PM
Apr 2019

It was just pure negligence on Hillary's part and baffling, to me at least, that she didn't see this as a potential landmine back when she set things up. Hillary is a lot of things, to a lot of people, but I know that even her most harshest critics, people who hate her guts, will concede one thing she is not is stupid. Yet Hillary had to have known she was going to seriously run for president in 2016, even back in 2009 and 2010. She has been through the ringer, as First Lady, Senator and then got a first-hand glance at it again as SoS under Obama, who the GOP did everything in their power to undermine through investigation, and she somehow didn't see the possible issues related to this? I don't get it.

It was a serious lapse in judgment that absolutely cost her the presidency. You can blame the Russians, Trump's collusion, which played a role - but had Hillary handled the e-mail server correctly from the start, this would not have been an issue. But the issue raised just enough concern that people who did not like Hillary now had enough reason to not vote for her.

It's why I absolutely believe the Comey Letter killed her campaign - twice, in fact. The first instance was the initial reporting to its release and the second instance was the last-minute report that there was no reopening of the investigation and nothing found in regards to that investigation. It killed her twice because the first allowed for nearly universal, unabated coverage of the potential that she was going to be indicted (FOX News even had to apologize later for saying as much) or hinting that the investigation was going to reopen, for that entire weekend and it essentially dominated every aspect of the news, taking away from Trump's own gaffes, before it finally left the front page toward the end of the final leg of the campaign. But then Comey came out and brought it back into the mainstream and while the next report was more favorable, as it said there would not be an investigation, it was the last thing the voters heard before going to the polls and, to be honest, it just hammered home the point that Trump stressed well, even if not accurately: Hillary is corrupt.

This is why I struggle to defend everything about Hillary's campaign. There were a lot of self-inflicted wounds. The good news is that, despite all that, she nearly beat Trump and very well could have all things considered. That bodes well in 2020 for the Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Agreed. TwilightZone Apr 2019 #1
here is the Gallup chart history, up until last fall (new one should be out soon) Celerity Apr 2019 #33
The Gallup history is already linked in the article. TwilightZone Apr 2019 #35
that link only has a chart up to 2015, this one is from September 2018 Celerity Apr 2019 #36
K&R. rzemanfl Apr 2019 #2
Who do you think "they" are? Amimnoch Apr 2019 #3
Russian influence was not limited to supporting Trump Recursion Apr 2019 #4
This is one the main things I like about Buttigieg. marylandblue Apr 2019 #5
Hillary had a favorable rating of 49% when she announced her candidacy for president in Apr 2015 Kaleva Apr 2019 #6
That's because the moment a woman appears "politically ambitious", athena Apr 2019 #10
When Hillary was talking about running back in 2012 and 2013.... Kaleva Apr 2019 #12
Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #7
She was at 49% in May of 2015, roughly same point in election cycle thesquanderer Apr 2019 #8
Plenty of smart liberals fell for divisive stuff during and after the primaries IronLionZion Apr 2019 #9
I agree enthusiastically! athena Apr 2019 #11
The timeline on her approval numbers may be a little off, but the point is spot on. StevieM Apr 2019 #13
Her favorability went down because of things like her email server karynnj Apr 2019 #15
Her time as SoS artislife Apr 2019 #16
No. The fake email scandal was not self-inflicted. StevieM Apr 2019 #17
Believe what you want, but the series shows when her numbers tanked karynnj Apr 2019 #18
I don't disagree about when her numbers tanked, but that I do disagree about the notion StevieM Apr 2019 #20
Did you look at the link to polling report.com? karynnj Apr 2019 #22
I am not disputing when her numbers first dropped. StevieM Apr 2019 #24
Your second paragraph is speculation as was my comment karynnj Apr 2019 #25
She was not "hiding" anything. (eom) StevieM Apr 2019 #29
Because she had the emails, the SD could not comply with Congressional and FOIA requests karynnj Apr 2019 #31
Believe what you like. StevieM Apr 2019 #32
I was very very concerned with the Bush and Rove private seever karynnj Apr 2019 #34
You are obviously determined to believe that this phony scandal was real StevieM Apr 2019 #65
The state department of was not a Republican karynnj Apr 2019 #66
I am well aware of who Obama appointed. StevieM Apr 2019 #68
Comey brought it back to the foreground after Clinton had pretty much dealt with it. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #19
Colin Powell used private email too. It was a non-issue. StevieM Apr 2019 #21
When Powell was the SoS, the email system was an intranet karynnj Apr 2019 #23
This is my biggest issue with the whole e-mail scandal... Drunken Irishman Apr 2019 #27
+1 Kentonio Apr 2019 #28
Had there not been a fake scandal about an email server there would have been StevieM Apr 2019 #30
Her server turned out to be way more secure than the State Dept's server. ehrnst Apr 2019 #41
At this point in the 2016 cycle, Hillary had already fallen from the 60s karynnj Apr 2019 #14
Not quite... Drunken Irishman Apr 2019 #26
Not Just The Paid Speech Circuit But Speaking To Wall Street corbettkroehler Apr 2019 #37
How about selling books through corporations like Amazon and WalMart? ehrnst Apr 2019 #38
Can Individual Book Sales Lobby You On A Particular Piece Of Legislation? corbettkroehler Apr 2019 #39
I'm talking about millions of $$ of personal income made via sales through Amazon and Walmart, ehrnst Apr 2019 #40
No Comment? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #42
To The Same Extent You Think I've Missed Your Point, You've Missed Mine corbettkroehler Apr 2019 #43
You Haven't Given Any Examples of the 'Influencing of Legislation" by Paying An ehrnst Apr 2019 #44
My Previous Response Stands (n/t) corbettkroehler Apr 2019 #48
So You Can't Give An Example Of The Purported Official Being Paid $$$$$ For A Speech ehrnst Apr 2019 #49
I Could If I Wanted To But Suspect That It Would Be Disregarded Out Of Hand corbettkroehler Apr 2019 #50
Another Evasion. You Can't Make A Prima Fascie Case Because Your "Evidence" Is "Fictional." ehrnst Apr 2019 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Apr 2019 #62
Still Waiting. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #61
Still waiting for that PM from you with that "corroboration." ehrnst Apr 2019 #63
Hillary had challenged people to come up NYMinute Apr 2019 #45
Those making that false smear still aren't able to produce anything ehrnst Apr 2019 #46
{crickets} ehrnst Apr 2019 #47
They just keep churning the same non-issues NYMinute Apr 2019 #55
That's not the half of it. ehrnst Apr 2019 #57
This is why I've seen the word "devotees" used by some people NYMinute Apr 2019 #59
Still No Examples Of Actual, Non-Fictional "Influencing of Legislation" ehrnst Apr 2019 #54
Still Waiting On That "Corroboration" Of Fictional Wall Street Speaking Fees For Elected ehrnst Apr 2019 #58
LOL :) Looks like a long wait. JHan Apr 2019 #67
That is your opinion, it is not fact Fresh_Start Apr 2019 #51
Not only not fact, but debunked falsehood. ehrnst Apr 2019 #60
The radio silence is telling, isn't it? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author CentralMass Apr 2019 #52
K&R betsuni Apr 2019 #56
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