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guillaumeb

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65. There are many reasons.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:11 PM
Apr 2019

Unmotivated voters first among them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
How many PUMA's voted for Someone other than Obama in the general in 2008? Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #1
In my opinion, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #3
re: "any Democratic voter who votes for a GOP candidate as some type of protest vote..." thesquanderer Apr 2019 #12
Excellent points, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #16
re: "an informed* voter might see that as a reason to vote for the eventual nominee." thesquanderer Apr 2019 #25
True. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #38
For a few elections there has been a push to get out the vote artislife Apr 2019 #48
This is incorrect. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #4
And 76% of Hillary voters voted for Senator Obama in 2008 CentralMass Apr 2019 #30
That doesn't correct the post. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #32
Sorry. I agree with your post completely. I was adding the other detail for contrast. CentralMass Apr 2019 #35
Here's a further detail for contrast. lapucelle Apr 2019 #56
Lets looks at that. CentralMass Apr 2019 #57
Wisconsin is a great argument for closed primaries.The gutting of the Voting Rights Act lapucelle Apr 2019 #63
So basically, she didn't lose votes she would have gotten.nt artislife Apr 2019 #67
There were a lot of factors. One was the Milwaukee had 41,000 fewer votes CentralMass Apr 2019 #71
I read that Milwaukee artislife Apr 2019 #72
I sincerely doubt it's that high. namahage Apr 2019 #8
Here is a link to one of a number of good articles on the subject. CentralMass Apr 2019 #31
Puma is an attack on Democrats. And Hillary worked her ass off in the general. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #9
Your opinion may be correct but PUMA, the pac and organization existed. CentralMass Apr 2019 #73
It doesn't exist and puma was mostly Gop pretending to be supporters . Look at the website if you Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #80
The organization existed until 2011. It was founded and run by a Democrat, Darragh Murphy CentralMass Apr 2019 #85
It was right wing and a smear. They didn't elect Romney in any case as Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #86
The article reported the # was 80%; 8% didn't vote spooky3 Apr 2019 #10
around 30% total of Hillary 2008 primary voters did not vote for Obama in the general Celerity Apr 2019 #29
Excellent points. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #39
Agree, but their choices were VERY different from spooky3 Apr 2019 #53
he was a super dangerous neocon war hawk though, a nightmare waiting to happen Celerity Apr 2019 #59
And let's not forget Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #60
But in a completely different league from this cabal-- spooky3 Apr 2019 #61
*** 9% of Obama Primary Voters voted McCain in the GE *** crazytown Apr 2019 #62
but 25% is almost triple the rate of Obama to McCain primary switches, and around double Celerity Apr 2019 #70
Right. crazytown Apr 2019 #75
That's a good distinction, primary "voters", not as some here have said, primary "supporters" - George II Apr 2019 #90
How many? Not enough to deny Obama the White House. lapucelle Apr 2019 #55
Fiendish, the 3/4 who voted for Hillary are US, fellow Democrats. Hortensis Apr 2019 #58
88 percent doesn't wash the stench off the 12 percent who voted for fucking trump. Stay the fuck... brush Apr 2019 #77
I think we need to look at more than that one metric. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #2
Agreed. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #6
And how can we motivate them.... WeekiWater Apr 2019 #18
That is the question, is it not? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #40
The same kind of thing is reflected in current polling FBaggins Apr 2019 #5
At this point, we are looking at multiple matches. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #7
Quite a few... but not as a protest FBaggins Apr 2019 #17
Thank you posters artislife Apr 2019 #49
Interesting viewpoint. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #46
re: "I can see no rational reason that any voter who supported Sanders would have chosen Trump" thesquanderer Apr 2019 #11
But of the two, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #13
Honestly... how could ANYONE vote for Trump, but especially someone who'd supported Sanders? hlthe2b Apr 2019 #14
No, I personally cannot. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #19
There were a number of people in closed-primary states UrbScotty Apr 2019 #15
And they would be in that 12% that voted for Trump in the general election. eom guillaumeb Apr 2019 #20
Agreed and these people are not "swing" voters. n/t MarcA Apr 2019 #36
And here's how many Hillary suporters voted for McCain. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #21
ty Go Vols Apr 2019 #24
Once again, that doesn't seem to radical noodle Apr 2019 #81
I knew several women personally who radical noodle Apr 2019 #83
There's another side of this - not all Bernie votes were really for Bernie FakeNoose Apr 2019 #22
Nice points. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #41
I can almost guarantee there radical noodle Apr 2019 #82
How many voted for Bernie as a write in ? MichMan Apr 2019 #23
IIRC 90 million elgible voters didn't vote. Mosby Apr 2019 #26
And that is a huge problem. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #42
some people just vote as a middle finger to something or someone qazplm135 Apr 2019 #27
The unmotivated include the young, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #43
partially then again qazplm135 Apr 2019 #47
This number, relative to previous election is small. A study of the 2008 CentralMass Apr 2019 #28
The engineered angry frenzy against Hillary Clinton BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #33
Thank you. I have posted here, several times, that we may never know how many did question everything Apr 2019 #34
I agree with your analysis about motivation for some Sanders/Trump voters. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #44
I believe that was the movement of 2016 artislife Apr 2019 #50
My son's girlfriend supported Bernie. Then voted for Stein in the general election. Nt helpisontheway Apr 2019 #37
Assuming that he voted for her because she ran as a Green, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #45
Something else may be in play artislife Apr 2019 #52
The reality of US politics is that it is a two party system at the national level. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #64
Yes, but the more votes the other parties get artislife Apr 2019 #66
True, but if the goal is to make policy, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #68
I agree with your last sentence artislife Apr 2019 #69
Voting for HRC added to her winning vote margin. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #74
Enough.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #51
There are many reasons. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #65
Bernie isn't bringing any of those voters back zaj Apr 2019 #54
An opinion. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #76
Why he should not get the nomination he held out to the very end when it was beyond him Historic NY Apr 2019 #78
Should he have conceded earlier? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #79
You guys keep saying that, but Hillary stayed in late too. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #84
I recall that. David__77 Apr 2019 #89
how many of them are regular faux state news viewers? pstokely Apr 2019 #87
That is outside of the scope of the survey. eom guillaumeb Apr 2019 #88
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