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73. If one wants to call fact checking Senator Sanders "Bernie hate" that is also one's choice.

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 07:39 AM

Apr 2019

One might also show how one comes to the conclusion that Bernie is "more Democrat than the party happens to be."

Not one of several people who has said that has been able to produce those metrics when I ask for them. Other than, "Well everyone knows this, because voting record, use the Google for yourself, I'm not going to do the work for you."

Maybe you'll be the first?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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This thread will become a shitstorm. [View all] NanceGreggs Apr 2019 OP

it is simple, if Sanders is the nominee, Trump is re-elected, why do we want to lose? Celerity Apr 2019 #1

The only way Trump wins is if Democrats stay home and refuse to vote. Lancero Apr 2019 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Apr 2019 #8

Let's be clear, only SOME Sanders supporters refused to Hortensis Apr 2019 #29

Some Sanders Supporters? Try many people on his 2020 staff ... SFnomad Apr 2019 #121

He's got Russian influence, then. Amyishere Apr 2019 #257

Looks like the claims have merit leftofcool Apr 2019 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Apr 2019 #159

Even ratf---ers can have moments of honesty. n/t namahage Apr 2019 #185

Supporting Sanders so radical noodle Apr 2019 #230

+1000 LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #227

Interesting how such a "turncoat", such an outlier, such an apostate, such a non-factor... LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #228

Says it all DownriverDem Apr 2019 #68

If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states Gothmog Apr 2019 #127

Internal polling has him beating Trump in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan JonLP24 Apr 2019 #134

Internal polling BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #141

No one takes internal polls seriously in the real world Gothmog Apr 2019 #145

Every campaign does internal polling JonLP24 Apr 2019 #146

in the real world, these polls are not taken seriously Gothmog Apr 2019 #147

Campaigns generally don't release internal polling BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #211

I think that is a tad harsh, here is my best guess (still a slaughter) Celerity Apr 2019 #137

I don't think he will carry NY and CA BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #213

If it is a 2 person race, zero chance Trump wins CA, absolutely zero, I know my state well enough Celerity Apr 2019 #220

There is SO MUCH in motion right now, Eyeball_Kid Apr 2019 #201

that's not what polling shows. nt Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #242

he has a good chance of being the nominee KayF Apr 2019 #2

I think he has a zero chance ... NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #6

And beware the "i'm better than trump" boast; thats not gonna be enough. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #19

Yeah, that's all Bernie's saying, he's better than tRumpy and that's not enough... riiiight!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #156

If you havent seen people say that about every candidate you havent been paying attention. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #174

No way he'll be the nominee. cwydro Apr 2019 #34

Glad to hear that, so, hopefully the Bernie bashing will stop, since there's nothing to worry about! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #157

He still will have damaged the nominee, though. n/t Control-Z Apr 2019 #166

well whoever is the nom i hope that we all come together and for for him or her.. samnsara Apr 2019 #44

I will but Sanders and Gillibrand are at the bottom of my list. TNNurse Apr 2019 #54

Fair enough... RobertDevereaux Apr 2019 #148

I'd place Gabbard, Moulton & Ryan in that same category with the two you named. nt Tarheel_Dem Apr 2019 #219

Many Democrats have forgotten that's how elections are supposed to work sop Apr 2019 #56

No, I don't think he has a good chance at all. Many of his supporters are convinced that his ehrnst Apr 2019 #49

As Nance said, he is divisive Cary Apr 2019 #52

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #67

Declare someone divisive Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #72

You're evading Cary Apr 2019 #74

The whole (bashing) issue is very one-sided Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #175

What does that mean? Cary Apr 2019 #179

Take it literally Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #181

You didn't answer my question Cary Apr 2019 #184

Only one Dem candidate is openly bashed here Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #189

I have seen virtually every Democrat bashed here. Cary Apr 2019 #191

It's called Vetting.. No exceptions. Cha Apr 2019 #237

Cool story! Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #283

Tulsi Gabbard's a he? n/t namahage Apr 2019 #261

You accidentally True Blue American Apr 2019 #252

No shit!! For some, it's called the "heads I win, tails you lose" devisiveness game. Let's play... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #105

Thank you. shanny Apr 2019 #109

No one has done what you say. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #128

Nothing. BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #163

+1000 Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #268

Hmm... that indicates that... Eyeball_Kid Apr 2019 #209

I don't pretend to understand Republicans Cary Apr 2019 #225

I had a conversation with a Bernie Bro' right after the 2016 election sop Apr 2019 #271

We cannot count on the radical left Cary Apr 2019 #278

You are certainly entitled to your opinion Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #3

I never identified myself as a "bernie hater". NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #10

I had pretty much True Blue American Apr 2019 #16

I tried watching him but there was nothing new..he was meh...i got really excited... samnsara Apr 2019 #42

You sat through all of them? True Blue American Apr 2019 #55

Horse Hockey Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #20

+1000 Kurt V. Apr 2019 #23

If you don't want to discuss the issue ... NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #27

So you keep alleging... LanternWaste Apr 2019 #118

Yep and tl;dr. I tried. I got to "divisive" and thought "then get over it." Problem solved. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #124

I thoroughly enjoyed it. BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #165

We will see who comes out as the nominee Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #167

So you haven't found one nominee in the last 3 or 4 primary cycles that meets your standard? BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #168

Not what I said Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #223

I'm not interested enough to go to all that trouble. BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #231

In case you're keeping track, BS is no longer FDR. lapucelle Apr 2019 #131

lol nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #142

LOL!! peggysue2 Apr 2019 #170

Paul Wellstone? The same Paul Welstone who fought Sanders over Sierra Blanca? lunamagica Apr 2019 #188

Yes, indeed. lapucelle Apr 2019 #208

"Environmental racism" lapucelle Apr 2019 #214

lol.. like he knows Cha Apr 2019 #232

+1 Owl Apr 2019 #53

"---more of a Democrat than the party happens to be---"? Atticus Apr 2019 #62

As the GOP & the RW Media moved to the Right Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #64

"Four decades", eh? The first dollar, literally, I ever earned was for tacking up Democratic Atticus Apr 2019 #75

Your opinion Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #91

+1 shanny Apr 2019 #110

Ok. nt Atticus Apr 2019 #143

For the most part, it's narrative and apocrypha. lapucelle Apr 2019 #244

If one wants to call fact checking Senator Sanders "Bernie hate" that is also one's choice. ehrnst Apr 2019 #73

I've seen some... Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #4

I'd like to think .... NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #12

"you should listen to what we non-Bernie-supporters have to say as well." betsuni Apr 2019 #7

Right melman Apr 2019 #11

IF the real world Bernie supporters were like the DU ones, like you, and the rest, well then Celerity Apr 2019 #13

Oh, melman. betsuni Apr 2019 #14

Whether it's an "under-represented" view here or not ... NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #18

+1 betsuni Apr 2019 #31

What would be the point of that "honest discussion"? progressoid Apr 2019 #66

That is exactly the point. NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #80

Ah, so the discussion would be meaningless. Kind of like this thread. progressoid Apr 2019 #104

That just seems like a personal problem JonLP24 Apr 2019 #136

whataboutism .... nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #144

Sanders more class than Hillary? lunamagica Apr 2019 #192

Who needs comedians eh? BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #210

Nothing says class like a "fart-in" at the convention. n/t namahage Apr 2019 #262

Yep. Pointless. JudyM Apr 2019 #93

LMFAO!! So true Melman!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #111

K&R stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #9

There is that giant elephant in the room regarding Sanders that I find very troubling... Indygram Apr 2019 #15

Many Sanders supporters think standards which would damn any other candidate as "unacceptable" ehrnst Apr 2019 #83

I honestly think a lot of the Sanders supporters on social media are Russian trolls and bots Indygram Apr 2019 #103

And that often leads Sanders supporters to think they are more numerous than they are. ehrnst Apr 2019 #119

Oh gosh...I had a friend posting all those anti Hillary Russian ad memes on facebook too Indygram Apr 2019 #160

this is my bottom line re bernie- if putin wants him, we shouldnt. mopinko Apr 2019 #123

Totally agree Indygram Apr 2019 #161

Will you vote for him in the GE if he is our nominee or not? aikoaiko Apr 2019 #17

I hope my vote in the 2020 GE ... NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #25

Same here! True Blue American Apr 2019 #28

Fair enough, you don't have to answer. aikoaiko Apr 2019 #30

I've said what I've said. NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #39

That question always sounds like a demand for a loyalty oath to me. Demit Apr 2019 #51

Maybe, but was a question often asked of Bernie supporters in the past. aikoaiko Apr 2019 #114

"But if your evasive answer is really a no or a yes then I would expect you to say so" Demit Apr 2019 #129

Typical Kentonio Apr 2019 #57

Can you please point out ... NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #63

So you will vote for him? progressoid Apr 2019 #71

Thanks, Nance. Skidmore Apr 2019 #78

"He was willing to write off the whole nation in 2016 to keep his ambitions alive." lapucelle Apr 2019 #234

Same here. leftofcool Apr 2019 #82

In such a case I would seriously consider the vote count to be compromised. defacto7 Apr 2019 #222

Cue the crickets... chirp, chirp InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #112

No Bern No Way No How Mjolnir1956 Apr 2019 #21

That's not what she said. defacto7 Apr 2019 #224

Bravo liberal N proud Apr 2019 #22

click bait Kurt V. Apr 2019 #24

If you consider those who raise concerns abour Bernie ... NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #32

have you considered I've already given this much thought, seeing as there is a sanders post Kurt V. Apr 2019 #37

Have you considered ... NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #46

jfc. yes. I've already told you, I've thought this over, you're not listening. see my candidate Kurt V. Apr 2019 #48

"Blind followers" insults the intelligence of those who believe in his positions. JudyM Apr 2019 #108

+1. When people showing insufficient adoration or posting legitimate concerns/criticisms dalton99a Apr 2019 #132

Indeed. n/t progressoid Apr 2019 #77

Rec'd for the subject line alone. underpants Apr 2019 #26

K an r. cwydro Apr 2019 #33

amen samnsara Apr 2019 #35

So, what you are saying is that if Bernie is the Democratic nominee amywalk Apr 2019 #36

Thanks for putting words in my mouth ... NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #40

my thoughts exactly... samnsara Apr 2019 #38

Didn't realize he would be 79 when he entered WH. He and others have passed patricia92243 Apr 2019 #41

"Use by" date? Hey, I'm 82 and still going semi strong. justhanginon Apr 2019 #87

Thank you. I was hoping that I was not the only one thinking about age. Haggis for Breakfast Apr 2019 #250

Isn't it funny how people howl when you suggest 79 is too old KitSileya Apr 2019 #273

I just saw Sanders on CNN. betsuni Apr 2019 #43

Yes - his supporters claim that Secretary Clinton was bought through being paid for her speeches KitSileya Apr 2019 #274

I trust the Democratic Party will give us a strong nominee. oasis Apr 2019 #45

So do I. NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #47

Too late to trust the party FBaggins Apr 2019 #59

They did away with winner take all primaries in the Democratic Party comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #130

If you are a Bernie supporter - don't be an asshole. watoos Apr 2019 #50

I'm sure the election will be completely put at risk.. Kentonio Apr 2019 #58

C.o.g.n.i.t.i.v.e. D.i.s.s.o.n.a.n.c.e. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #81

Think you might want to look up the definition of cognitive dissonance. Kentonio Apr 2019 #90

Sure it is. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #92

No-one has presented facts supporting their anti-Bernie arguments Kentonio Apr 2019 #97

It's the folks who can't stop attacking Sanders who are divisive Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #60

+1000 Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #61

Why is questioning Bernie's viability as a candidate ... NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #70

It's been ongoing nonstop for hour years now Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #76

Hardly. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #86

He had the kitchen sink thrown at him in 2016 Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #176

Lol. You are definitely thinking of the wrong 2016 candidate. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #177

It never stopped Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #180

Oh noes! Bernie is being vetted this time! MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #85

No amount of smears and divisive bashing will stop what's coming Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #178

BS is the one who hired Jill Stein Voters Cha Apr 2019 #238

I believe it's the folks who think ... NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #89

Thank you Nancy bpj62 Apr 2019 #65

Getting Involved With The Democratic Party Billsmile Apr 2019 #69

Amen! True Blue American Apr 2019 #79

Has anyone suggested not letting the primary play out? MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #88

There's nothing left to vet Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #196

Problem is that any outcome that doesn't have Bernie as the nominee namahage Apr 2019 #263

In other words.. Kentonio Apr 2019 #276

Thank You Nance! DDySiegs Apr 2019 #84

We can't wait to vote for Bernie again!! RandiFan1290 Apr 2019 #94

Yeah! NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #95

Hillary lost to trump RandiFan1290 Apr 2019 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #100

And Sanders lost to Hillary. lunamagica Apr 2019 #195

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #206

And the Cleveland Browns have never been defeated in the Super Bowl. n/t namahage Apr 2019 #264

Hillary didn't "lose".. the election was Cha Apr 2019 #269

K&R tymorial Apr 2019 #98

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #99

I like Bernie a lot TheCowsCameHome Apr 2019 #101

I feel same way marlakay Apr 2019 #255

Unity! shanny Apr 2019 #106

Unity was needed after March 2016... SidDithers Apr 2019 #152

That actually could go both ways marlakay Apr 2019 #256

I wish you didn't go down this road sellitman Apr 2019 #107

The only thing that has burned Sanders is his own scorched earth campaigning. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #115

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #169

Enough with the negative posts. There are 20 Democratic CentralMass Apr 2019 #113

Nance is just telling it like it is.. Cha Apr 2019 #235

Bernie is hoping for a brokered convention. Gothmog Apr 2019 #241

And he pulls the wings off of butterfly's and waxes the stairs at the nursing home CentralMass Apr 2019 #247

If sanders can only get a max of 30% of Democratic primary vote, how can sanders get a majority Gothmog Apr 2019 #248

Your obsession with Bernie buoys my spirits. I need to send him some more money. CentralMass Apr 2019 #251

Go for it Gothmog Apr 2019 #258

Sounds like you intend to not support Bernie even if he gets the nomination. rgbecker Apr 2019 #116

Which is her absolute right leftofcool Apr 2019 #164

Excellent analysis. I voted for Bernie in my state primary in 2016 but 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2019 #117

Me too. n/t rzemanfl Apr 2019 #155

If Bernie is the nominee we lose and we get 4 more years of the orange moron. redstatebluegirl Apr 2019 #120

It's sad that people are using our existential crisis to build a cult following and sell books dalton99a Apr 2019 #122

There are a large number of real Democrats who have good memories Gothmog Apr 2019 #125

Nicely put. Thanks. (nt) Paladin Apr 2019 #126

I trust him because he has had the back of working class people over his political career JonLP24 Apr 2019 #133

Now you know how we felt. Many of your arguments here are what we said about Clinton in 2016. Decoy of Fenris Apr 2019 #135

Bernie pamdb Apr 2019 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author mtnsnake Apr 2019 #139

wow .. succinct, cogent and well-written BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #140

Well Said-Without a Candidate Who Unites All of Us, Trump Will Win dlk Apr 2019 #149

Hillary was a divisive figure and you supported her unconditionally. Dustlawyer Apr 2019 #150

Why was Hillary divisive? Which fake story about her was true? betsuni Apr 2019 #158

She was only devisive because - OhZone Apr 2019 #171

BS is the one who hired 3rd party Cha Apr 2019 #239

+1000 Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #267

Well said Nance. K&R. n/t rzemanfl Apr 2019 #151

I 100% agree with what you wrote. Progressive dog Apr 2019 #153

DU rec... SidDithers Apr 2019 #154

Bravo! Well said! BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #162

Here at DU, Bernie is still polling at 8℅ while everyone else keeps switching Stellar Apr 2019 #172

'Meet Pete', his new database on issues and policy, 990 topics Celerity Apr 2019 #216

Bookmarked to read later. Thanks! nt Stellar Apr 2019 #240

Bernie not take any PAC money? namahage Apr 2019 #265

In 2016? Three years ago, tactics can change to improve his chances, but... Stellar Apr 2019 #275

Looks like your "shitstorm" thread has done more to fan the flames of divisiveness than anything mtnsnake Apr 2019 #173

So by your logic BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #190

Feeble effort at putting your words into my mouth. mtnsnake Apr 2019 #194

That's not what's wrong with this thread... TCJ70 Apr 2019 #199

Yup, that, too. n/t mtnsnake Apr 2019 #203

You're a prophet. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #182

Thank you Nance!!!! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2019 #183

Very well said, as usual. thx Mosby Apr 2019 #186

Thoughtfully Put - The Reverse Also Holds corbettkroehler Apr 2019 #187

Why are you a registered Green Party member if you vote Democratic and not Green candidates? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #198

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #205

You wanna talk about it? OK. TCJ70 Apr 2019 #193

In a nutshell Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #197

Recommended democrank Apr 2019 #202

Yes melman Apr 2019 #215

Took me a few hours to get through your shitstorm, but..... democrank Apr 2019 #200

I'm with you all the way. rgbecker Apr 2019 #236

... David__77 Apr 2019 #204

I will support and vote for the D nominee on the 2020 ballot. I hope it is not Sanders. Tikki Apr 2019 #207

Thank you! This needed to be said FakeNoose Apr 2019 #212

While I will vote for Bernie Sanders if he becomes the Democratic nominee, MineralMan Apr 2019 #217

Hmm liberalnarb Apr 2019 #218

Nance, we can not have a full discussion on this thread. Wish we could Tom Rinaldo Apr 2019 #221

All good points JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #266

I just had his very conversation with a friend a few minutes ago Runningdawg Apr 2019 #226

I will vote for the Dem candidate whoever that may turn out to be. defacto7 Apr 2019 #229

Nate Silver- Sanders Can Win, But He Isn't Polling Like A Favorite Gothmog Apr 2019 #233

K&R. I agree completely. Thanks for posting this OP. highplainsdem Apr 2019 #243

K&R Scurrilous Apr 2019 #245

He is not even seeking our support He plans to be Mondale to 🍊's Reagan robbedvoter Apr 2019 #246

"Indulge" is the word alright. Cha Apr 2019 #260

This thread is at the top of the Greatest Page. Why isn't it also at the top of the Greatest Threads highplainsdem Apr 2019 #249

It shouldn't create a shitstorm...Bernie can not win. End of discussion. SunDrop23 Apr 2019 #253

In 2016 The Wizard Apr 2019 #254

This message was self-deleted by its author susanna Apr 2019 #259

Concise, to the point... BooScout Apr 2019 #270

Thanks for this huge dose of reality, Nance! R B Garr Apr 2019 #272

BS murdered his candidacy after recent CNN townhall AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #277

Bravo, Nance. I hope this stays up NastyRiffraff Apr 2019 #279

Cosign Ruby the Liberal Apr 2019 #280

Well said, Nance lillypaddle Apr 2019 #281

Hey Gregg, this is the way the democrats try and shoot themselves in the foot practically every demosincebirth Apr 2019 #282