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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 12:22 PM Original message |
Potsdam Institute Study - Minimum Two-Meter Sea-Level Rise Now Almost Unstoppable - Reuters |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
1. IOW, real estate that sits less than 5 ft above sea level is an exceptionally |
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Lochloosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. Ummm.....a lot of my state. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Yep. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. The picture just gets darker and darker, doesn't it? nt |
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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Of course, I haven't been toiling here in order to audition for the role of Mr. Sunshine . . . |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. The way we've set things up, it's not "won't", but "can't". |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. As thunder rising said yesterday: |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Every other ecology finds balance |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Why do you think people are worried about swine flu and bird flu |
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Richard D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
3. There surely are ways to reduce CO2 |
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bain_sidhe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
4. These are the kind of news stories that make me hope |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
7. He's wrong. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Underestimation may be better described as overly tentative. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Except of course, when they overestimate things... |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Personally, I think the jury is still out on the 2.5 temp rise. As your chart |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Methane only stays in the atmosphere for 7 years |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 04:17 AM Response to Reply #18 |
49. Yes, but there are gigatons of methane locked away. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 05:22 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. A local effect must be considered, too. It's one thing for it to be released in the tropics... |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Eh, why bother with peer-review when you can just turn to blog science? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Learn to read |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Just read the fuckin blog post you link. Pielke admits he just made up numbers base on how he reads |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. I never posted a link to a blog post |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Really? What's the origin of that graph in your post, #15? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 11:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. If you have a problem with the graph... |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 06:42 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. You're denying that graph comes from a blog? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 08:15 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Finally |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Why should I waste my time on "blog science"? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I don't know, but obviously you did |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. So you finally admit you rely on "blog science"? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. I think his point is that it would have been simplier |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. He made his case in post #19. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. No he didn't Josh. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. This is the exchange: |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 09:11 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. You need to lay off the pot, dude. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 10:07 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. The paper refutes the assertion that there is significant overestimation (on 20 y/o data). |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I never said he didn't have a bias. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 11:58 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. To pretend that we do? |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 06:27 AM Response to Reply #38 |
51. I must have missed the acknowledgement that he was wrong in this case... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. How did he "try to conceal the source of his graph"? |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. He repeatedly denied that the graph was from a blog. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I disagree. |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Are you on crack? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. That's lame |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. A tenured professor of POLITICAL science |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Viking12, I've been quite enjoying the Yamal drama. |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. No doubt we'll see that crap here eventually. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Perhaps I can help explain |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. So any old graph on the web is credible as long as it supports your position? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. What are you, 12? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. Readers: do yourself a favor and skip posts #52-60. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. That is a BIZARRE post... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Is it? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 08:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
43. The 1990 IPCC report, and indeed, reports going back as far as the 60s... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. That's because AR4 does *not* include any data on arctic/antarctic melting. |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Exactly. Someone high above Boulder doesn't know what he's talking about. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Question |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Read this: |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Good article |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 06:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. The article is talking about how they derive their estimations, written by the same guy. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Your 15 year old student doesn't seem brillant to me |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. The radiative forcing of CO2 is a constant that can be determined in a lab. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
46. Are you aware that summer melt over Greenland is increasing at around 40,000 km^2 a year? |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
9. The corporate-capitalist mindless-consumer growth-oriented system |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Or at the very least |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. With love and compassion, naturally. |
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