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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 01:36 PM
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OMG! Obama Has An OPPOSITION RESEARCH TEAM. But Why Are Mediawhores carrying Hillary's water?
Edited on Sun Jun-17-07 01:37 PM by cryingshame
first of all, Obama isn't my candidate.

However, who the fuck cares if he has opposition research teams digging up stuff to use against Hillary?

If he didn't, he would not be a serious candidate.

All serious candidates with enough money hire opposition research and then take info they get and feed it anonymously to the press.

My question is- why are mediawhores taking the info supposedly given to them by Obama staff against Hillary and blowing the whistle on the source?

Why are they outing Obama's campaign and not Hillary's or Edwards'?

Things that make me go hmmm...
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Kingstree Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 01:38 PM
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1. Hillary and Edwards has the same thing. The media has been pushing
Hillary as of late.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 01:38 PM
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2. Precisely
How is it that Hillary's campaign can get slanders against other Democrats into the media - but never manage to get the IMPORTANT THINGS into the media. Things that really make you go HMMMMM....
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 09:03 PM
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19. Let's face it. The powers that be have their candidates on both sides.
They can't lose and we can't win.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 01:41 PM
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3. Thank you, opposition research has always been part of politics, will always be part of politics and
it has no indicator of the type of President you will be or the type of policies you will implements.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 01:53 PM
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 01:42 PM
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4. I've always hated the oppo guys
they always remind me of Matt Drudge and the guaranteed sleaze factor staying affixed to the body politic like a hungry leech.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 01:49 PM
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6. Most people use them to find differences between opponent's policies/actions and their own. nt
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 01:48 PM
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5. I don't have a problem with oppo research
as a matter of fact, I've done it for campaigns before.

In my mind, however, the infamous memo (which, to me at least, came across as maybe a little racist and/or xenophobic) contrasted somewhat with the "new politics" he's preached about in the past. It's just a sign that he's going to have to play dirty with the rest of them.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 01:52 PM
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8. If he can't swing hard now, what chance does he have against the Cabal? Or any Democrat
what chance would any of them have if they don't kick ass from the start?

They'll be up against guys with no scruples whatsoever.

BTW, most people have a direct experience with outsourcing via reaching India on the telephone.

They might know vaguely that their shirts etc are made in country X but they speak on the phone with India when they call customer service.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 01:57 PM
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11. I agree, it just doesn't match his previous rhetoric
that's the main problem I have. But now he's just doing what anyone else would do.

As for people having experience with oursourcing to India - duh! I'm very aware of all of that. But outsourcing isn't just to India and India isn't just outsourcing. There are a lot of Indians in *this* country who are upset over that oversimplification.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 03:17 PM
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15. Good post. The issue is hypocrisy
You also made good points ob outsourcing that race-baiters love to ignore.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 01:50 PM
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7. According to what I read-don't remember which story; there's been
Edited on Sun Jun-17-07 01:52 PM by EST
a basketfull of them-the item that Obama's oppo team dug up was given to some wags 'off the record' but somehow it found its way into the Hillary camp and it was they who shared it with the reporters for citation.

With all the money available to hire the best investigators available, there is little that won't be public, most of it bullshit.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 01:55 PM
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10. that's what I heard. But Gee, how did it just happen to get into Hillary's camp???
that's my point :)
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 02:34 PM
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12. Hillary has spies everywhere?? :-)
:-)
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 02:36 PM
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13. Or Obama has turncoats everywhere.
Take your pick.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 04:22 PM
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16. I'm not sure "turncoats" would apply, since all of those so-called
"advisers" will work for anybody, sort of like a jockey-they'll ride any horse, but what they are always on the lookout for is a horse they can ride to victory, to make their own names and fortunes.

It doesn't matter what religion the horse is, they'll do anything, say anything, work undercover, tell lies, change serial numbers, whatever it takes to win, as long as they don't get caught.

Sure there are a lot of good, Joe Block honest folks, mostly underpaid and working their asses off to create a better country, but the rest are the highly compensated, professional image makers who do not share, or only coincidentally share the passion of the idealistic miracle makers who actually give a damn.

Too many naive office seekers see a kindred spirit in these sharks and unwisely make themselves vulnerable to one sort of extortion or another from these professional hit-men.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 11:28 PM
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23. It is not hypocracy when you say you will not throw an elbow if one is thrown first.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 03:15 PM
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14. Obama poses as above such kind of things. Hypocrisy matters
This is why he has gotten in trouble. He is hypocritical on one his core themes. How is this not news? If Obama stops the charade perhaps his future "old politics" tactics will get less attention. Somehow I doubt Obama will come clean. He will continue his fraudulent pose.
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 06:38 PM
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17. Because....
...any male candidate (Barack Obama included) who attacks a female opponent is a corrupt, sexist pig engaging in politics as usual. :sarcasm:

However, if Hillary Clinton does it, she's beating the men at their own game, and that suddenly makes her a "brilliant lady." :sarcasm:
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 06:42 PM
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18. exactly
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 09:04 PM
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20. ..and a sorry one at that, but regardless, Obama is a hypocrite. Period.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 11:15 PM
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21. I don't think most people would consider Opposition research as being a
hypocrite.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 11:32 PM
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24. When Obama announced..
he made a huge point of changing the discourse in politics. Mentioning he wasn't for the "old" politics, meaning smears...and well, I've lost track of Obama's smears. I think there were three just this week..So, that is why he's been labeled a "hypocrite". If he hadn't made a point of behaving "better than" in his speech...he would have been better off not making promises he couldn't keep.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:10 AM
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26. Except for the Queen of Hypocrisy
and her minions. It's hysterical that they keep attacking the guy just for telling the truth.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 05:27 AM
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28. why would you call Obama a "queen?" Anyway, who said he wouldn't do these types of things?
Oh, yes. Obama.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 11:25 PM
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22. they have been letting her skate by on more than just this. they are her lapdogs.
bought and paid for or threatened.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 11:34 PM
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25. Well, here I am again..
Wow, bought and paid for or threatened?

You must know alot. Spill your sources..Enquiring minds want to know..
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 01:29 PM
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31. Did you get your check this week?
I'm building quite the nest egg with mine.
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 03:09 AM
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27. I don't think they're "bought and paid for" by the Clintons...
I think it's moreso that they want to exploit eight years of a Hillary Clinton presidency for sensationalism and "excitement."
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 01:21 PM
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30. The pundits want Hillary to win the Dem nomination because
they think she will be the easiest Dem for a Repuke candidate to defeat. They also think that Hillary can get the Repuke base motivated to turn out and vote for Repuke candidates.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 01:16 PM
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29. kick, cause I still want to know why Hillary can stay anonymous but Obama can't
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