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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 02:07 PM Original message |
Clinton, Obama Warn in Debate Iraq Withdrawal Will Take Time |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. It's on CSpan at 3:30 pacific |
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themaguffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. WTF. It WILL take time. It's not a neo-con thing, it's reality |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Two different things |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. The neocons have long maintained that if the U.S. withdraws, it will lead to a regional war. |
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themaguffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Biden is NOT saying no to withdraw; he is admitting the realistic timeframe |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. "If we leave Iraq and we leave it in chaos, there'll be regional war. " |
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themaguffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 02:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. You're assuming the situation is the same as under W's "leadership" |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. No I'm not. There are some who believe that |
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themaguffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. of course some disagree, among them neo-cons |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I didn't say Biden was a neocon, I said |
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themaguffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. it can further destabilize & create other problems BUT |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. And many other experts say six months to ten months is all that is needed. |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-20-07 02:22 AM Response to Reply #9 |
36. Maybe you should spend more time reading about Turkey and the Kurds and less time about |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 06:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
25. General Wesley Clark disagrees. He said: "If the CIC orders troops |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
3. Will Not Forget and Neither Will Iraq. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
6. This is an interesting point. When some candidates say it will take time, |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
19. I agree - and in part it is a very American reaction |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
7. This is an interesting point. When some candidates say it will take time, |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
13. Biden has never been a leader on Iraq withdrawal |
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themaguffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. take your pick |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. "A surge of phony spin on Iraq" |
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themaguffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. yeah |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Will the |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 06:17 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. Yugoslavia is different. Most importantly, because there was already |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 11:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
32. Those are not the only possibilities. |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-20-07 02:27 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Has Prosense seen this? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-20-07 07:32 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Yes, I have! |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-20-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #38 |
45. This is closer to Obama's position - that you made fun of |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
22. Clobama: We won't tell you how many troops we will keep in Iraq indefinitely until we win |
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demommom (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
23. prosense: |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. There is no plan on the table to bring the troops home instantly. |
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demommom (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 08:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. prosense |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 08:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. The spinning comment was not directed at you, but this |
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demommom (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 09:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. prosense: |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 09:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. No, the OP was about that statement, |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-20-07 01:46 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Since you are not a foreign relations expert,,, |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-20-07 01:48 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Are you a foreign policy expert? |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-20-07 02:14 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. No. Are you? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-20-07 02:22 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Nope..I'm not either. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-20-07 07:26 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Was that really necessary? |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-20-07 03:19 AM Response to Reply #31 |
39. The Plan is NOT a partition |
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seasat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-19-07 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
27. Only a complete withdrawal will get the Iraqi and regional players to the table. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-20-07 06:20 AM Response to Original message |
40. Once again, Kucinich is the only candidate out there who is saying and doing the right thing |
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murbley40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-20-07 09:06 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. uh |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-20-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Here, go find out for yourself |
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dugggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-20-07 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
46. I don't give a rat's ass if the Iraqi's kill themselves in a civil war.. |
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