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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 09:38 PM Original message |
How will Obama move us past the divisiveness of 2000 and 2004? |
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DemKR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. he certainly won't do it while being republican lite n/t |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I'm actually trying to get a real answer, because I don't see how he can do it. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
2. he will teach us to love the sinner...but hate the sin. all sides are then happy. nt. |
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DemKR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. LIFT ME UP!!!!! lol |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. he seems to appeal to bigots when it comes to polls. nt. |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
4. First he cuts a deal with Kooch to shore up the far left |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
7. The way he got usaspending.gov |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I'm not questioning his ability to pass legislation and I'm not making a personal attack. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
38. He's doing it right before your eyes |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. So did Howard Dean but he's not in office today. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. Howard Dean ran like Edwards |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. I hope you're right. I don't see it, but I do hope. |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #49 |
72. Give some examples of these "outlandish lefty statements" |
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journalist3072 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
8. I don't think there's anything in his record that proves he can do that....The evidence is just not |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Believe me when I say that Clinton's record with republicans scares me as well. |
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peoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. What are you asking? |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. But where's the proof of that? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. I've posted links to polls and articles showing Obama having the most cross-over appeal by FAR |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. That's fine and I wouldn't be against you reposting them or directing me to where they are. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
37. Here's an example: |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. That's a good opinion column. I remember reading it when it came out. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. It's not an opinion that he came in third in a REPUB. poll. |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Seeing republicans voting for Obama won't satisfy me at all. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. What are you talking about? |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. You're wrong there. I am extremely interested in getting an answer. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. that`s how he got anything done in illinois |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. As I said before, I agree he can work with the other side. |
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chascarrillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
11. Independents Republicans (nt) |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. But what policies is he promoting that would move them to vote for him? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
14. He disagrees without being disagreeable and Indys, Repubs. find him refreshingly honest |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. So he'll win because he's a nice guy? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
55. Yes. He has no history of being a polarizing figure unlike the Clintons |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 02:18 AM Response to Reply #55 |
69. What are you smoking? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. Nothing... |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
16. moderate republicans have no where else to go |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. But we've been counting on that "moderate republican" vote for a long time now. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. i think all democrats understand that we well over 50% |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Ok, we agree on that, now back to the original question: |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
24. His statement was not anti- Gore or Kerry |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Your post is neither fair nor true. |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. tell me -quote andcite- where he"Bashed" Gore |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Sorry Capn, I don't just "believe" in anything. |
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annie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
27. because he has essentially no past, pubs don't already hate him the way... |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Sorry, Annie. I think that the repub spin machine will demonize him just like the others. |
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annie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. but he's done so little, the drama can only go so far, no? |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. I disagree with that. I think Obama was rather effective in the state senate. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
29. Look how well it's working here! |
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Sulawesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
30. One way to do it is to focus on issues where there is broad support or |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
32. He's able to inspire the best in people, |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. So are you and Sulawesi implying that Obama will abandon or not prioritize certain Dem ideals? |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. He's doing it now |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Ok, that's the first answer I can accept, somewhat. |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. Sure |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. I don't find it unforgivable, I find it concerning. |
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Sulawesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. This is what I meant by first agreeing on basic principles, say rights |
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Sulawesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. OK, so I cannot be sure about this... |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. But Gore and Kerry said the same things Obama is saying about gay rights. |
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Sulawesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. 2 things |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Fair enough, and I agree with what you say.... |
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Sulawesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. What you say is legitimate, but I find myself agreeing with the man and am comfortable |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. And that's something I can fully support. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #48 |
73. That's such hogwash! |
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LordJFT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
46. well to start with he has a high favorability rating among republicans and independents |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. I don't think polls from a year out are very reliable for the general election. |
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Sulawesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. So is the alternative to place to the left, and fire them up? |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:39 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. Gore and Kerry both played to the center. |
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Sulawesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. No, he does not need to tack because he is a natural leader that already has appeal to independents |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 10:16 AM Response to Reply #61 |
75. More nonsense! |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Not nonsense, a matter of shades of gray. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-01-08 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
59. The division is extremely deep |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #59 |
65. I agree with your analysis, just not your conclusion. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 12:35 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. We are actually pretty much in agreement |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 03:23 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. The problem with healing this divide is that the repubs don't want it healed. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. There are 2 different issues - running for President and being President |
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thoughtcrime1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. That is a very good post |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
67. Edwards will attract working republicans. he already is. By standing up to |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 02:08 AM Response to Original message |
68. recommended |
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Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
78. He can't. He's incapable of it. And he's less electable than even Kerry was. |
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