Stabenow - MI's DINO

[placton]

How much longer can we support our own, home grown DINO? Gee, she voted against cloture on Alito's USSC nomination! Wow, that really makes up for her Bush votes on
- the Patriot Act extension (Levin voted NO)
- the bankruptcy screw the little guy bill (Levin voted NO)
- Gonzales as Atty General (Levin voted NO)

I signed her nominating petition, but after the Patriot Act thing, and all the rest, I suspect for the first time in years, I will not be voting for a Dem for Senate. How much worse can a Republican be?

As noted here on this board, when she voted for the bankruptcy bill, she just blew off any questions with a bloviating email.

[skipos]

1. "How much worse can a Republican be?" That's what Nader 2000 voters said.

And in 2004, 85% of Nader'support left him. Those people learned the hard way that there is a big difference between Gore and Bush. I'd prefer not to put MI through the same thing.

I want democrats to get things done, so I am working toward getting our majorities back.

[MichiganVote]

2. I think your post is misleading...

Stebenow has supported a number of things that are relevant to Michigan. These include a ban on drilling in the Great Lakes, bills that support clean up of the lakes, limiting the trash that Canada sends us in Michigan, lower prescriptions for seniors by allowing access to drugs from overseas and numerous bills to support small business farming. Stabenow also has a 5 point jobs program that she is pushing and has endorced a Trade Prosecutor to go after corrupt trade deals.
Stabenow stands opposed to the recent port deal, has introduced a bill to support education and research into heart disease for women, and has fought for home heating help for the impoverished.
Stabenow has also fought against recent attempts to cut budget allotments for veterans.

This is a Senator who works as opposed to the majority who sit on their fat asses and do nothing.

If you're going to tell the story of what you don't like, tell the whole story.

[DJ MEW]

15. thank you

out of all the bills the senate deals with over the course of 6 years its easy to find a few times when your senator doesn't vote the way you want, but look at all the things that she voted on that were good. She obviously not the progressive that we would want but at least she is not Spence Abraham. The type of progressive we would want couldn't really win in this state, at least I don't think they could.

[Lefty48197]

3. You don't understand the difference?

between a Senate with a Democratic or a Republican majority? Seriously?

[PassingFair]

4. I'm hearing you, placton...

I'm voting for her, but she can collect her own damn signatures.
I'm pimping the minimum wage petition instead!

Let the DLC spend THEIR money funding her. My money and time is
spent only on progressive representation.

[tokenlib]

5. Did she get enough "heat" for her bad votes??

Ok, so Debbie has done a lot of good stuff. But I don't think she got the flak and pressure she deserved after voting for bankruptcy reform and for the Bush tax cuts. I mean opposing these two issues go to the core of why we are democrats--(unless you belong to the DLC--oh yeah, that's Debbie...) Figuratively speaking she deserved to get spanked and admonished. But her email and other responses show that on those two issues--she just doesn't get it.

She'll get my vote--but that is all. I pity the volunteer who calls me for anything else--I'll be civil, but there will be a message to be forwarded as to why I'm angry with the Senator.

[noonwitch]

6. She's better than any of the 3 repubs running

1. Bouchard, the moderate Oakland County Sheriff, who will likely shift to the right if he is elected, because the dutch mafia will force him to.
2. Butler, the black guy who is pastor of a cult. Yeah, he's going to get lots of votes in the republican primary. He was elected to Detroit City Council once, because it is a non-partisan election in which the vast majority of candidates are democrats.
3. The guy from W. Michigan, who is one of the dutch mafia. They are focusing all their energy on DeVos for Governor, so he probably won't get the support he'd like from his fellow dutch repubs.


I grew up in GR-I will never trust the dutch mafia. The Christian Reformed Church is made up of some really nice and good people, but once they join the GOP, they sell their souls to Satan.

[Stepup2]

18. I'll second that!

I hear you on both counts. Stabenow is waaay more responsive to people than the the other three, and the dutch mafia is alive and well ala Hoekstra and co. Evil "people" they are, I have said for years these CRC are really satan spawn.

I'd like to find a recorder device that would capture their voices for reverse playback.... I am CONVINCED the gabaldy gook you'd hear would be satan himself...

[European Socialist]

7. She better support Russ.

[blue4barb]

10. I called her office today as well as Levin's about censure vote.

Stabenow's staff worker said she has not yet stated her position.
Levin's staff worker said he is still looking over the censure details. I told Levin's staff worker to relay my feelings that since Levin voted to censure Clinton, I expect him to vote censure on *. I told him the Monica Lewinsky thing was NOTHING compared to what * has done.

[European Socialist]

11. Good--Those two have nothing to lose going after Dumya. What more...

could Bush do to Michigan or it's Senators.

[MichiganVote]

17. He can do plenty..don't kid yourself

[Snotcicles]

8. I would like to see David Bonior run against her. n/t

[etherealtruth]

9. Oh god I love Bonior ...

... but as Noonwitch pointed out, earlier, I'll do what I can to get Stabenow re-elected as I couldn't live with myself if any of the Repuke alternatives were to win ... I must point out that I lost any genuine "warm fuzzies" for her when she voted for the MBNA welfare (I mean bankruptcy) bill.

[PassingFair]

19. Bonior is working for John Edwards.

He won't run himself.

[bfealk]

12. how much worse? lots worse

There is no way that we can put another Republican in Debbie's seat. Even though I don't agree with some of Debbie's votes, a Republican in that seat would make things even worse.

Let's put some pressure on her and help her see the light.

[newyawker99]

23. Hi bfealk!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[bfealk]

13. how much worse? lots worse

There is no way that we can put another Republican in Debbie's seat. Even though I don't agree with some of Debbie's votes, a Republican in that seat would make things even worse.

Let's put some pressure on her and help her see the light.

[Lefty48197]

25. ...and YES

all the rest of us double posted at least once in the early days too! :hi:

[dad]

14. You have got me channeling John McEnroe and Henny Youngman

I have to say it- you cannot be serious. Take my Senators, please.

[Strawman]

16. Like we have a choice

She's a shoo in. I got some recorded call from her asking for help getting singatures for her petition or donating or some crap. Felt like calling back and saying "you don't need me, you've got Citibank." Debbie's safe. The election, like most congressional elections in this country, is a mere formality.

She's socially liberal, but economically, a corporate sell out. She gets half credit. That's still better than any friggin right wing MI Republican nut job who is a wholly owned subsidiary of Amway. But I find it hard to be motivated to lift a finger to help her at all. She's not worthy of the effort (and others are or may be), she doesn't need it, and my time is scarce.

She'll get my vote based upon the very remote risk that it might prevent someone worse from winning. Nothing more.

So on Election Day, if it makes you feel good, cast your lone vote for Michigan's United States Senator for some organic turd farmer with a snowball's chance in hell running as a Green, or just refuse to vote on that portion of the ballot. At that point, it really doesn't make a damn bit of difference. There's no Ralph Nader running, so there's little risk that enough other liberals will defect and a majority of the "swing voter" sheeple who even bother to turn out are going to vote for her anyway.

[bif]

20. Hey, she's better than the alternative.

Ya want another Spence Abraham?

[TahitiNut]

21. I wish I could get a $140,000/year job with a resume that says

... "better than dog shit." :evilgrin:

Of course, I suspect there are some who, lacking any data whatsoever, might disagree.

[corkerjoe]

22. Voting for repukelin can spell disaster,

Dems need to be majority in senate to gain control of committees so thy can have subpoena power so investigations into a corrupt gov. can be brought to light. and to outlaw the repukelin Die bold voting machines. Otherwise democracy will only be a thing future generations read about. know and understand this if nothing else.

[wizdum]

24. Point well taken...

I agree with you on every point about Stabenow. What on earth was she thinking when she voted for all that nonsense? Voting for an extension of the Patriot Act is unforgivable. And I don't like the way her weight has ballooned since winning her senate seat. It shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that she is living high on the hog.

[Dr Ron]

26. Oppose her in primaries, but not in general election

While I'm sure its too late to mount a meaningful challenge to her nomination, if you want to oppose her nomination now or when she runs again, that's fine.

When November comes, vote for her not necessarily because she is your top choice, but because of control of the Senate. Stabenow will have a more liberal record than anyone the Republicans would run, but more importantly Stabenow will vote for the Democrats to control the Senate. It might be close enough after this year's elections, or the 2008 elections, that her vote decides whether Democrats or Republicans control. That determines committee chair and whether Democrats have a chance of actually passing any legislation or meaningfully holding the Repubicans accountable.

[SharonRB]

27. We need to elect every Dem we can

You're right on.

[bluestateguy]

28. Be strategic with your vote

If she's 20 points ahead in the polls, you can vote your conscience and abstain or vote Green. But if polls show that it will be a tight race, then your best interests are best served by voting for her. She is still better than a Republican.

[SharonRB]

29. Don't forget to register as soon as you get moved!