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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 02:46 PM Original message |
Texas school district to allow teachers to carry guns... |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
1. Just as long as they don't use them, I'm down with this |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. If they've got 'em, someone will use them. |
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isentropic (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Who?...the jan - er I mean the Maintenance Engineer? |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Or a student, or the first person a teacher pulls one on... |
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isentropic (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
64. Well, there are armed security guards in a lot of schools. Is there an epidemic of |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Well, that's why they should change the law |
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isentropic (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Jail for self-defense? I know you're being sardonic there but I don't get the point of it. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Having the gun strapped to one's side should be effective alone |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Why would just wearing a gun |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Uh-huh. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. If you are in a room of unarmed children, yes |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Hey dude |
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dems_rightnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
50. You can't truly want.. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. A teacher thought my daughter was talking during class and she threw an eraser at her... |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. That's quite a breathless leap of logic |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
38. throwing anything at a student shouldn't be tolerated... |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. I think it's just a little over the top |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Most teachers are fine.. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
60. Yeah I've seen a few too |
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carlyhippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #43 |
72. My 2nd grade teacher, no way would I have wanted that crazy old crow to carry heat in the class |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #40 |
250. I think the idea of schools becoming armed encampments is over the top. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #38 |
81. I've been in public ed for 14 years. |
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isentropic (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #25 |
65. It's not a leap in logic, it's a descent into full-blown shithouse-rat nutfuckery. |
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TheFriendlyAnarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #25 |
151. Pink Pearls hurt. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #151 |
153. Sometimes physical contact isn't a big deal |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
55. When I was in the military and an electronics instrutor... |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #55 |
83. They pulled the chair out from under my classmates in military electronics |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #83 |
92. I also used the yard stick approach... |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. I arrived there mid summer 1968, KAFB |
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2KS2KHonda (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #98 |
104. I was there in 68 when the downtown part of Peterson was still called Ent. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 07:43 AM Response to Reply #104 |
115. Ent was downtown. Pete Field was out east of town. Cheyenne Mt. was south of town. |
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2KS2KHonda (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #104 |
161. My boss refused to ride in those blue cars, he had a cherry 63 Impala convertible |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Hope the kids don't strong arm the teacher and win. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Can you imagine how much of a temptation that will be to a kid in Texas? |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
66. Is that a serious problem in your area? |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #66 |
75. Yes. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Sorry fellow |
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tomg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
9. "It's just common sense." |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I'm starting to get sick of "common sense." We need some "above average sense." |
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tomg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. If their idea of "common sense" |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
12. How long before some kid gets ahold of one unbeknownst to |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. How could a student |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Never been pick-pocketed? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. You don't carry a concealed firearm in a pocket |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Same principle. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
105. Obviously you've never carried a gun in a holster. (n/t) |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
56. I carry my J-frame S&W revolver in my front pants pocket... |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #56 |
135. I carry a Glock 39 (.45 G.A.P.) in both under-belt holster and pocket |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. How do you pickpocket |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. Very carefully. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. I can easily imagine a teacher removing a gun from his person for what he |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. In my planet lethal weapons |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. We might all wish it would be so, but I see far too many gun accidents |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. How would you feel if they had hired full time armed security? |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. I would prefer well-trained armed security staff to letting teachers carry weapons. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #48 |
62. Do you mean "rent a cops" or... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #48 |
107. What if those well-trained armed security staff also happen to be teachers? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #30 |
138. You think they are going to arm everyone? |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #27 |
41. So what will they do when they enter that area where firearms are prohibited? |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Since the places are generally courthouses and post offices |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. So what if they forget it in the trunk or car? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. The road to Hell is paved with special pleadings and "what if?"s |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #47 |
76. Exactly. What if all teachers are perfect? What if no teacher makes a human mistake? |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 09:55 AM Response to Reply #76 |
117. All the stupid "what if's" I'm reading |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
112. Then you're getting exactly what you want: unarmed teachers |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #41 |
54. So how do you explain... |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #54 |
74. Rigged numbers |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #74 |
139. Surely you have some links. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #139 |
148. But Mr. Helmke said they are cheap and easily boughten! |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #54 |
80. How would they know who's carrying? |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. When was the last time you wore a pistol? |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #54 |
88. You can argue until the cows come home, and you will never ever |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #54 |
249. Would you really want your child going to an armed encampment every day? |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-25-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #249 |
256. That explains the break in communication |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
109. You'd notice if the 30 ounces of steel strapped to your hip vanished |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #109 |
141. Guns have no business on school property. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 12:58 AM Response to Reply #141 |
181. Interesting |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #181 |
209. It sure got you vocal as well, didn't it? |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
14. This increases the chances students will have access to a gun while already on school grounds. |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
17. Insanity |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. What is wrong with armed |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Do you post anything |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. "picking a nit" |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:05 PM Original message |
Just because someone can legally own or carry a gun... |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
36. Right |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. Down side is some pimple faced goof getting the gun from the teacher |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. What's with these dumb hypothetical scenarios? |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
79. Hmmm |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. doesn't make them subject matter experts |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 11:50 PM Response to Reply #85 |
113. That is one of the scariest... |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #113 |
118. Hoplophobe? |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #118 |
121. It just gets ... |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #121 |
126. Never mind, precious little dialogue here |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #53 |
90. Here's your "dumb" hypothetical situation: A lunatic goes into an Amish school |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Glad you think so lowly of our teachers |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. You couldn't be more wrong. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. No kidding. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #94 |
143. So you think the school resource officers (cops) shouldn't be armed? |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #143 |
150. Armed police officers, in a school environment which has a history |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #150 |
154. But you wrote, "Guns have absolutely no place in a school environment." |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #154 |
158. Metal detectors... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #158 |
170. You do realize that would shut down 100% of the schools in my county. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #170 |
172. Hyperbole. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #172 |
177. You wrote, "Guns have absolutely no place in a school environment." |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #177 |
184. Guns have no business in a school environment. Sounds reasonable. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #184 |
191. Really? I've heard a number of good arguments for it. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #184 |
192. That wasn't what you said earlier. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #172 |
179. In regards to your assertion. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #179 |
185. You have just changed the argument. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #185 |
189. Have you lost your mind? |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #189 |
211. Man, get your freak on somewhere else. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #211 |
214. It would be embarrassing to lose an argument that bad to a freeper. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-20-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #211 |
221. When all else fails |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #90 |
106. Ironic choice of examples. The guy who shot up the Amish school |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. You somehow missed the entire point of my post. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #108 |
120. Impossible, of course not. At all likely with the retention training and discreet carry, no. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #90 |
110. Well, thank god he didn't get the gun from the teacher then |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #45 |
140. Could you be a little more condescending? |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
63. Remember the hero teacher... |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #63 |
95. You don't know that. Guns have no business in school, period. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Guns are inaminate objects |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. That is insane logic. In fact, it can't even be called logic. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #95 |
103. Are you aware that civilian guns have stopped school massacres? |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #103 |
131. But you don't KNOW that!!!! |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. Sometimes it's hard to have a logical discussion... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #103 |
145. Please stop using history against emotional gut reactions. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #145 |
159. I've read a lot of your posts on the issue of guns, and I get the impression |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #159 |
168. Wrong impression. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #168 |
173. Metal detectors, Dave... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #173 |
176. Resort to insults, it really makes you look bright. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #176 |
186. So now you speak for all rational people? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #186 |
187. If the shoe fits. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-20-08 12:43 AM Response to Reply #187 |
218. All I did was call you a gun nut. Are you denying it? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-20-08 01:06 AM Response to Reply #218 |
220. What's the definition? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #218 |
235. Still waiting on the definition of gun nut. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #218 |
245. Since you only feel the need to respond via private message and then block return mail. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #218 |
247. In parting I will have to say your actions leave me no other option than |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-25-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #247 |
257. I think that in a case like this |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #173 |
180. do the metal detectors you have seen include |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #95 |
144. Many jurisdiction and their police chiefs feel differently. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #144 |
164. Mine did... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 08:24 PM Response to Reply #164 |
166. I was responding to the several posts that said guns never belong in schools, period. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #144 |
174. I don't believe in it, but if they (guns) are to be on school premises, |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #174 |
178. Well good for you. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #178 |
212. I don't care how poor you are. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #212 |
215. I'm not poor and I don't have any kids. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-20-08 12:42 AM Response to Reply #215 |
217. I've been here since 2003, Dave. You joined, when? Oh yeah, this year. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-20-08 01:01 AM Response to Reply #217 |
219. Baseless accusations, didn't expect anything else. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
89. The trouble is that very few states require proper training. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. What do you know about states requirements? |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #91 |
97. Think what you like. I have researched this subject. |
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StuffyJones (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
216. We Already Have Cops With Guns at Schools, that is bad enough |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-20-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #216 |
223. Has it ever happened? |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
33. ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
58. I Think Grovel Needs a Gun Too |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
34. The only question is whether they see sense before a child gets shot to death, or after it. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. If by "child" you mean 17 year old school shooter |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #34 |
69. Yes... |
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tannybogus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
46. NWJ - No way Jose! |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
49. Oh, this is wrong. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. oh... you did it now |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #59 |
77. But it's a school! |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
51. Communities of rural rightwingers are run by rural rightwingers! |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #51 |
136. Yep, own guns, must be a rightwinger |
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MJW (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
52. this is a recipe for disaster |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
57. Actually.. I Think We Should Pass Them out to Everybody |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-20-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #57 |
234. Your statement is wrong. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
61. School shootings have already been stopped by armed teachers or students... |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
67. They Should Have Implemented This Program In Private...... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #67 |
122. The MSM turned it into a bells and whistles publicity event, I suspect. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
68. This is VERY BAD policy... |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Use of force |
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tannybogus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. People are assuming that the teachers will use the guns in only the right cases. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Me, too... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #71 |
123. And that is different from a school security officer wearing a black uniform |
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MattaLeao (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
84. Don't Teachers Go Crazy Too? |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. "wild west" was a myth |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
87. Pure insanity. But I'm not too surprised. It's Texas. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
101. kick |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
102. Massad Ayoob's recommendations on campus safety... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
111. I can't believe people are still blathering on about this |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 01:03 AM Response to Original message |
114. An honest question for those who oppose firearms in schools... |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 08:06 AM Response to Reply #114 |
116. I'm fine with armed police officers in schools. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #116 |
119. If the level of training is the same |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #119 |
125. The difference is... |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #125 |
127. Sorry but adding a couple pounds to their clothing |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #127 |
128. Not 'literally' overloaded... |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #128 |
129. Clearly you missed my point |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #129 |
130. I didn't miss your point... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #125 |
146. Why do you insist on misrepresenting the facts? |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 08:12 PM Response to Reply #146 |
163. Probably not... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 08:31 PM Response to Reply #163 |
169. No worries, easy to do we've all done it. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 08:55 PM Response to Reply #169 |
171. ... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #116 |
124. Police are thirty minutes away in this case. This is RURAL. (n/t) |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #116 |
132. In Florida concealed weapons are allowed in churches... |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #132 |
134. I think extra training would be a great idea |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #134 |
142. Considering how well educated high school students are... |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #132 |
175. total. insanity. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #114 |
149. I don't oppose that and here's the difference. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #149 |
152. Right, but the teachers aren't there for criminal activity |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #152 |
156. They also can't afford to add the risk |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 08:25 PM Response to Reply #156 |
167. "Arming teachers is crackpottery ... |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #167 |
183. Not sure where that is coming from |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #183 |
198. ... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #149 |
155. While you are correct when you say that school shootings... |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #155 |
157. That would be far preferable. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #157 |
182. What is the difference? |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #182 |
188. I've watched police officers shoot at my old range... |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #182 |
199. Circular... |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 08:19 PM Response to Reply #149 |
165. Thank you for such a great post... |
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BreweryYardRat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
137. Oh, that's a real good idea. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
147. There's a disaster waiting to happen. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #147 |
190. You seem to have a very low opinion of teachers |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #147 |
237. Or one day when a teacher leaves their gun in an unlocked drawer |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #237 |
238. Concealed carry doesn't involve drawers |
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ccharles000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
160. Thank God I don't live in Texas. |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
162. This Will End Poorly |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
193. I am still waiting on a response |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #193 |
194. Still waiting... |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #194 |
195. Acutally, I did. Yesteday. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #195 |
196. Doesn't really explain why teachers are so incapable of |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #196 |
197. Actually, it does. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #197 |
203. Wow...that is SO true. n/t |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-20-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #197 |
222. They don't need to handle criminal situations |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #222 |
251. Last resort security |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-23-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #251 |
254. I think that is why they have the subjective approval |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #196 |
202. Sure it does... |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #195 |
201. And it was a GREAT... |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #201 |
204. You brought up some great points, too. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #204 |
206. Agreed... |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #193 |
200. ... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
205. Insanity is doing nothing to prevent school shootings... |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #205 |
207. A couple solutions... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #207 |
208. All excellent ideas... |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #208 |
213. Thank you. I'm kind of ... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-20-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #213 |
227. I've learned some new ideas by reading all the different... |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-20-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #227 |
232. I agree. n/t |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-20-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #207 |
224. That is a superb plan of action |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-20-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #224 |
225. Thanks... |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-20-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #225 |
226. I say tomato... |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-20-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #226 |
231. ... |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
210. Only in America! |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-20-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #210 |
229. Actually there armed school personnel in other countries... |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-20-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #229 |
230. Luckily so |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-20-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
228. Texas: The testing ground for really stupid ideas. n/t |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-20-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #228 |
233. Explain please |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
236. Thank goodness I don't have a child in that school system |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #236 |
239. And unless you had the personal finances |
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2KS2KHonda (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #239 |
240. It's truly amazing how some people absolutely hate the principle of self-defense. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #240 |
241. I think the biggest majority of them |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #241 |
243. Nice misconception and generalization, there... |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-23-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #243 |
253. I wasn't talking about teachers |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-23-08 06:51 PM Response to Reply #253 |
255. That may explain the... |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-25-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #255 |
258. Yes, I am |
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2KS2KHonda (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #241 |
244. I can't comment on current training but I was a firearms instructor for a major city PD's |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-22-08 12:08 AM Response to Reply #244 |
252. How come you don't trust your hair stylist to remove your tonsils? |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-25-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #252 |
259. I think it will be quite simple to figure out what requires armed response |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #241 |
246. I grew up around guns. I've handled them myself. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #246 |
248. There's a gun forum? Remind me never to go... |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #240 |
242. Welcome to DU. n/t |
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