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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:13 PM Original message |
When did private property become sacred and the basis for all other rights? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. The day that Gawd decided that only He had a right to eat apples. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
3. Private property is sacred when I have some and you don't |
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dhpgetsit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
4. I think Bastiat would be a good answer. |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
5. Didn't they have the landowners and peasants back in the middle ages? |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 04:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. One period during the middle ages all property belonged to the king |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
6. I suspect it has something with the ancien regime notion |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. It started way before then. See my other post below. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
19. Great word - what does it mean? |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. "Given hereditary lands" is the simplest explanation. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #21 |
52. Great - thank you - that is my lesson for today. |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
7. With the triumph of the bourgeoisie following WW II |
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yellerpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
8. There was no concept of private property here |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Bullshit! |
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SomethingFishy (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
33. Yeah but was it "private property"? |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 07:49 AM Response to Reply #33 |
49. So farmland isn't private property? N/T |
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yellerpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
40. Sorry, I should have said what is now the Eastern USA |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 07:58 AM Response to Reply #40 |
50. Check out the five nations of the Iroquois. |
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yellerpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 08:42 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. They farmed, but they did not 'own' the land |
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the other one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
10. When "pursuit of happiness" was changed to "property" |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. but it had been 'property' before that |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
11. John Locke was very influential in this |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
26. +1. This. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
13. It began with the agricultural revolution, thousands of years ago. |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
14. It's been with us all along |
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Bosonic (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
16. 2380BC Urukagina of Lagash,Mesopotamia? |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
17. Maybe right after the first time someone stole |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
20. As long as there are people who have more than other people |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
22. Non-property owners are Serfs. |
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frebrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
23. When? About the time humans changed....... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
24. Oh where should I start? |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
25. 'Tis always been so |
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demigoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
27. property rights are not sacred if they want to tear down your house |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
28. They might be setting it up so only people that own property can vote |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 07:26 AM Response to Reply #28 |
48. "Proles should be seen and not heard." - RepubliCorp, Inc. (R) |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
29. The line in the sand is here. If you try to take my toothbrush, I'll beat the crap out of you. |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
30. Nice computer. Mind if I take it? |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. All I know is that government, corporations AND "hippies" want my fucking property |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #34 |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Umm, how many |
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onpatrol98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
31. Shouldn't private property rights be defended??? |
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MisterP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
32. Harriet Martineau and bourgeois bubbles ("I've worked my way up, I've worked for my property") |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
35. Recommended. |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
36. "The Factory Store". |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
39. "Get off my property, I'm a communist" (nt) |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
41. 1615, Magna Carta |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. The Magna Cart was signed in 1215. |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 03:37 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Typo |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
43. There is a difference between "private" and "personal" property. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 01:17 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Yeah. I've seen a few people mentioning houses and computers. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
44. John Locke, 1680s. |
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onpatrol98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
47. Private versus Personal Property |
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