Reply #50: I desperately want single payer, but I'm absolutely, 100% sure it will not happen.

[Vinca]

If there were more senators on board, maybe. But the blue dogs will never, ever, ever, ever support it. I'm positive of that. The only way to get there is through attrition. If there is a public plan, everyone will gravitate to it once they realize it's not pure evil, as depicted by the sheeple, and then we bring up healthcare again and institute single payer. Trust me . . . you don't have to convince me on single payer. It makes the most sense, but when has that made a difference in public policy?